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I literally can't LOL at this enough.
He threw for 3000 yards, 20 TDs and 6 INTs. You're just making numbers up to support your argument. It's totally self serving and deliberately confusing.
No. You see, this has been your problem all along. You didn't understand then what I was saying and you don't understand now what I'm saying.
But apparently I'm being "cantankerous and insulting," so I won't try to explain and run the risk of stepping on the toes of folks who can't engage in civil and rational disagreement.
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Yes. Unequivocally.
Well, if you think the HOF is keeping out a QB who passes for 3500 yards, 23 TDs, 7 INTs while maintaining a passer Rating of 99.4 which is 3rd all time at the moment and adds 650 yards and 5 TDs on the ground every year he plays, can you explain why?
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Tyrod Taylor. I bring it up only to illustrate the lengths of hyperbole some fans will go to exalt him.
Odd that you think something that's about as factual as it gets is hyperbole.
You know what that word means, right?
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You may have been one. Do I misremember or were there not people saying he put up Hall of Fame numbers in 2015?
There, that's phrased better at least. What we argued was that if Taylor managed to replicate his 2015 production every single year for the rest of his career, he'd be in the HOF. And that the discussion of some that they would need to see an increase in his production aligned with something like what Carr did from year 1 to year 2 was absolutely preposterous. And that there would almost certainly actually be some kind of dip in his production simply because of how well he produced in 2015.
That was what we said, not that he was inevitably a HOFer because of one season.
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You may have been one. Do I misremember or were there not people saying he put up Hall of Fame numbers in 2015?
Primarily Shaw and I said that if Taylor replicated the exact same numbers per game in 2015 he had every year for the rest of his career he's a HOFer. And that unlike what everyone else was saying, the hard part would actually be maintaining his play, not improving it.
Still think we were wrong?
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There were also those who said his 2015 campaign was Hall of Fame worthy, so let's leave open the possibility that there exist more than two schools of thought on Taylor. I think the majority of Bills fans have him pegged right where he belongs: a limited stopgap whose best attributes are a low turnover ratio and running ability.
It's no crime to want more out of the quarterback position.
Wow... talk about oversimplification and twisting of a statement. I already know I'm one of the posters you're referring to.
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Funny, I've seen posters referring to you as the board Troll. I'm not one to label like that, but your simple, narrow-minded posts probably lend credence to that belief.I got it you love him. Next year he will bypass Simien and it's on !!!
Ignore the all 22's and the linked articles. They are probably fake noooooz
Serves me right for spending the time responding thoughtfully to you...
It's your job to prove your wild generalization, not mine to disprove it.Baselss huh. Disprove it then skippy!
As I challenged another poster recently, go watch every play from every QB in the NFL and chart the % of plays at least 1WR is "wide open" and the QB doesn't throw it to him.
Do that and it's fair to talk about whether TT is as bad at this as you believe he is.
I know it's going to take time. Making strong, well-reasoned arguments often take time. Good thing it's the offseason.
Your move, Skippy...
Taylor was 19th in Td's. It'll all be over soon.
Rooting for the 12 gauge baby. Pants this game manager in TC!
Wow... you're just sad...
But then again, you serve as a good way to wean off the countless trolls over at BBMB.
Going cold turkey would be tough... so thanks for being here!
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You're losing all credibility with this post. Many nonbiased highly regarded posters and writers have stated that is the truth.
An apology is in order. Brandon Tate is still open in the ez .
Sorry but no. Find a comparative study. Or do one yourself.
You guys act like Taylor missed wide open WRs he was supposed to throw to based on his reads more than any other QB in the NFL.
The very first play of the season is one of those plays is a good example. Woods, who ended up streaking wide open to the left of Taylor, was on a side of the field Taylor never looked because his first or second read was open on the opposite side of the field.
I hope you're not pretending you've watched the All-22 of every play of every QB in the NFL? Or that you understand where a QB is supposed to go on every play? Or that a bird's eye view from the comfort of your living room is the same as the perspective on the field with bullets flying?
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Again, it didn't matter who ran pass patterns for the Bills last year as they were ALL open, didn't matter who it was, they were open. QB failed to see them and get them the ball.
These are the kinds of baseless, denegrating comments that are really annoying.
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That's fine if that's how you want to define it. Though it's incredibly weird to call stats a QB racks up in a come from behind victory due to a successful onside kick "garbage time" stats. But if this is the case you're opening Pandora's box because now you need to go out and analyze the defensive schemes because, according to Thurm (and you, since you're agreeing with him), it's the fact that the defense is in a certain scheme more than anything else.Its garbage time because the defense handles it differently, they give the offense a cushion for easy short completions and rarely bring additional pass rushers. They back off to prevent the quick strike. Therefore its easier for the quarterback to rack up stats than in a one-score game. You have to watch the actual games and have some idea what you're looking at to know the difference.
Pretty humorous, actually.
Frank Reich's wildcard comeback oughtta be labeled "The Greatest Garbage Time Comeback in NFL History."
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If Tyrod improves in his areas where he's not very strong and has a good year, save me a seat on his bandwagon.
I'll buy you a beer and pistachios.
How about macadamia nuts?
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No. It's not. If you have to recover an onside kick to have even a shot at winning, that's indeed garbage time. Your team shouldn't treat it that way of course, but that's what it is. Your team has almost no chance.
When that's your situation, the defense is going to be playing prevent, and your offense will absolutely have a chance to get some yards if you pay for them with time and taking risks. Garbage time. Inflated passing stats.
So, sure there's a thousand-to-one chance you can win if the ball bounces almost exactly perfectly right several times. But it's wildly unlikely. And what the defense will do in that situation is back off and allow you short passes if you can deal with their rush game. This ... is what is called ... garbage time. QBs can inflate their stats with good-looking yards and results because the defense doesn't mind you doing it as long as you aren't completing long passes.
Garbage time.
1000 to 1, huh?
http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2009/09/onside-kicks.html?m=1
I'm not a betting man, if I go to Vegas would 1000 to 1 odds be the equivalent of 20%? Because that's the chance of successful recovery of an onside kick when the other team is expecting it.
And so by your definition, Tom Brady's 90+ yards, 70+% completion %, and 2 passing TDs in the last 2 minutes of week 14 of 2013 when the Patriots got the ball with 1:38 left in the 4th were "garbage time" despite the fact that the Pats won...?
Really a head-scratcher there, Thurm...
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John....he was horrible this game.
We punted 6 out of our first 7 possessions and only scored once before the 4th...on Gilmores INT where he brought it to the 7 yard line.
We had 73 total yards at half time and 85 by the end of the 3rd.
Do you just look at the raw stats at the end of the game and don't include garbage time?
I 100% agree Taylor was not good in that game (though unlike the Cincinnati and Bengals games there were a handful of excellent plays he made), but calling a game that the Bills had a chance to drive down and tie (or win) with over a minute remaining in the game if they converted an onside kick full of garbage time is misguided.
There's a reason a game is 48 minutes. Not 40 or 42 or 45.
In 2013 the Patriots were down the entire game against the Browns by multiple scores... all the way until the last 4 minutes of the game when the Patriots scored and converted an onside kick. The Patriots went on to win.
Say all you want about Brady being the GOAT, except there would have been no chance to win that game without the conversion.
Blowouts that end with lopsided scores have garbage time.
But there's no garbage time in a game like that. That's what we love about the NFL and why the players keep playing... anything can happen.
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Cincy game after the near perfect game in Seattle was mind boggling.
Makes no sense.
A bye week to brood over a heartbreaker of a prime time loss might have played a part.
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Ravens game and the Cincinnati game were the worst whole games from Taylor this year for sure and probably in all the games I've seen him play as a Bill.Taylor and the offense came out on fire in the Raiders game. Unfortunately, the wheels came off in the second half.
If there are any games i was disappointed in Taylor it would be the second half of the Raiders and week 1 against the Ravens. But every qb has bad games. Well, except for Brady.
We went 1-1 in those 2 games.
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PS: Thanks for the thread and the link Erik! I'm a TWD newbie but I actually read and found these articles before joining. I like being able to talk to the author himself.
So, question...
How high do you think Taylor's ceiling is and what do you realistically think it will take to help him reach that ceiling and play closer to it with more consistency?
I believe the west coast offense will be a good fit for Taylor and should have his best year passing.
See, this is what I think, too. But some here think exactly the opposite.
Don't get it...
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What sets Taylor apart from from all QB's not named Cam Newton is Tyrod Taylors ability to beat you with his arm and legs.
Taylor played with injury that took part of his game away last season IMO.
A healthy Team Taylor operating out of the West Coast O is going to be adding many more electrifying highlights going into the New Era in my humble opinion OP.
...I Billieve...
I think it's weird the way some people lump Taylor in with Kaepernick or RG3 as athletes who play QB and aren't comfortable being traditional pocket passers. Taylor has work to do for sure, but he sure looks like a "pass first" guy to me. And when he has a clean pocket, it sure looks like he can be a traditional pocket passer, too.
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Did you notice all these plays were out of the shotgun?
I don't get it...
Very few of those plays involved our #1 WR. Hoping for a healthy 2017 for Sammy.
Agreed
Wait till you see his lowlights.
Why?
Honestly, Taylor's "lowlights" aren't nearly as bad as most other NFL QBs.
His biggest thing is he needs to get more consistent.
I guess you would also have to add Jim Kelly to the list.
Pretty UNREALISTIC expectations you got there folks.
Not happy until you see nail holes in their feet and hands...
Don't mind him... Thurm's always Mr Cranky Pants who thinks he knows everything but can't see the Forest for the trees.
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Huh?
I'll take your "Huh?" and raise you one
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Hindsight is 20/20.
It's absolutely hilarious the universal hype both of those guys got back in 2012 constantly being touted as the future of the NFL and as Elite players.
Very few (if any) were predicting a precipitous decline for either guy because they were already "Elite."
Now look at all the backtracking.
Same thing but in the opposite trajectory for Kirk Cousins.
The NFL is so year to year and unpredictable. That's why I think everyone who makes such factual predictions are so funny.
You don't know.
None of us do.
In fact, I'll make a prediction just for fun that I think will further demonstrate how fickle the NFL is if it happens. It's only a prediction, not me prophesizing:
Matt Ryan is going to struggle next year to a degree where questions will rise as to whether he really deserves the "Elite" moniker he was given this year or if he was just elevated significantly in Kyle Shanahan's system.
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According to "BF Insiders" on twitter:
Zach Brown fired agent because agent priced him away from #Bills. Agent misjudged market. Brown wants back in Buffalo but price was to high.
Holy crap if this is true it'd be amazing!!!
The Bills are starting to resemble a real NFL team again... getting more excited about the draft
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You asked if you've ever said another persons opinion is wrong. My post is in response to that.
It doesn't matter if you don't call them out by name, with you arguing every nook and cranny about Tyrods perceived weakness, you obviously feel every person who doesn't agree with your threads are wrong. As Larry stated on BBMB, you don't want quality discussions, you want supportive replies to your threads. Anything that isn't supportive of your threads doesn't qualify as quality.
If you constantly create very bias threads you should expect some naysayers.
Actually no. I don't want or need supportive responses. I want responses that provide substance to counter my own points. Stats. Plays. Specific reasoning from beginning to end.
RF and Larry are 2 I appreciate (I suppose I could say that more often) because I feel like they at least do the specific reasoning thing consistently. You and Bangarang are capable but often choose the simple responses. Thurm has some good stuff mixed in with a lot of arrogance that seems to lead him down the path of tunnel vision and getting lost in convoluted and contradictory arguments and arbitrary criteria.
Everyone agreeing would be boring. I don't take things personal until they become personal. Why does it seem like so many make everything personal.
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Just because you don't specifically say the words "your opinion is wrong" doesn't mean your actions don't state it.
Your threads consist of compiling data about a perceived weakness of Taylor and "proving" to everyone that perception is wrong. Then you can't handle when people don't agree with your data and argue for pages, days and weeks. Anything from his ball placement to throwing over the middle...you seem to think your data is flawless. Why else would you spend that much time arguing with others if you didn't you're right and others are wrong?
You seem to have an obsession arguing about Taylor and give him the benefit of the doubt 100% of the time. Now you will argue why Taylor took a multi million dollar pay cut....it's because he really loves Buffalo.
I don't really know what to say...
I'm not the only one keeping this thread going, ya know.
What exactly is a message board for?
So you would prefer when I post anything to just make vague baseless statements?
It's odd to me that the posters most clearly sick of my threads (and this is the first one I have ever started over here and the last for a good while) like you, RF, Crusher and Thurm are the ones who so often find your way into them and become the most vocal.
I ignore all the threads I don't want to read. And maybe you think my actions do otherwise (that's a you thing) but I didn't call a single poster out by name in the OP.
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Dude... there's a difference between an opinion and a prediction stated as fact that doesn't happen or statement of fact that's not true and can actually be proven false.
In the first few of these all I did was point out the fallacious previous prediction of an arrogant poster who publicly stated how gleefully he would shoot down every pro-Taylor poster once he was inevitably cut (that was multiple posts as he's going back and forth with me... like I said, I'm guilty of the back and forth), point out a blatantly incorrect stat, which last I checked is not an opinion. Another thread of the dialogue is with a poster regarding a subject last year that was put to bed by actual facts he continues to ignore.
The very last one is me simply responding to a poster who stated a bunch of opinions directly as facts by saying opinions aren't facts.
I read most, not all.
I click through and see that a lot of these are me responding to your own posts... do you have an issue with civil disagreement? If you're the same poster by the same name over at that other board we still reside at, you seem overly sensitive over here.
Tyrod Taylor's Highlights
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by transplantbillsfan
FC, you weren't there for this entire discussion last year and 808 can't remember it, but the argument was a per game basis since some years Taylor would likely play a full 16 games, like this year if he weren't pulled.
Glad you 2 are getting your LOLs though, even if you have to take a discussion out of context to do it.