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Weren't we bottom of the barrel in three and outs?
Not when Taylor was running Lynn's offense for 13. In those 13 games the Bills were middle of the league in both TOP and 3 & out %
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I'm very late to this discussion, and I admit I didn't read every response. So apologies in advance, if this has already been covered. 27 pages in, I expect this topic is probably been beaten to death by now, anyway.
The study by Fahey is a type of Content Analysis. But for a Content Analysis to be taken seriously as an evaluative tool, there needs to be more than one coder looking at the same content. The comparison of the coder's evaluations on the various data points, are then compared, to check for bias, mistakes and quite frankly, simply disagreements. The comparison is known as Intercoder Reliability. If the different coders disagree on the evaluation of too many data points, the study has a low intercoder reliability, and can be said to have limited value. I would argue, but some might disagree, if the intercoder reliability is 100% (or very close), the data probably wasn't very interesting to examine to begin with, or the coders shared a specific bias. Without the check of multiple coders, it's simply one guy looking at content variables, and giving his/her opinion.
With that said, I'd prefer an analysis by someone who carefully looks at data and has a very good record at evaluating the specific phenomenon, than someone who says "I know it when I see it", with no record in this area.
Yes. A system like that (almost exactly what PFF operates) would be better, but as imperfect as it is, it's not to be completely dismissed...
and it's also notable that PFF's system, much like the one you just mentioned, graded Taylor out as a pretty good QB, too.
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It's not an ironic post unless Peterman becomes something in the NFL the way Taylor did. Taylor is one of the very few exceptions, not the rule...I have to agree with this. calling out a 48 page thread for a 5th rounder. what round was taylor drafted again...?
that's right, 6th round. I'm by no means dogging taylor but it was just the irony of that post that caught my attention.
as for peterman, another one to cling to for those who think he'll be the next savior.
he doesn't impress me
And I love that someone will inevitably think that I just called Taylor a great QB or something when I said nothing of the sort.
Amazing is that you are practically calling NP a failure already.
Nope. Not what I'm saying.
Amazing that you got that from what I said...
and sad...
mostly sad...
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Creepy stalking based on a handful of times I've replied to you? Don't flatter yourself. If anything you should be thankful I find my way into your threads
And your obsession is not misconstrued.
Handful of times...?
Bruh... how many fingers you got on those hands.
And guaranteed both the strength and nature of my feelings about Taylor have been misconstrued.
If you don't believe me, tell me what you think everyone thinks and I'll tell you if you're right
oh, he'll make the team. he already see the field better than our current starter,
his ceiling might just be extremely high to boot!
Glad you found the next Great White Hope...
Watch out... Jones sounds like he's coming on...
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You shouldn't be the one to throw shade at a thread like this given your history of Tyrod threads being complete rubbish for dozens upon dozens of pages
May I ask why you bother?
Your creepy stalking criticism of any of my commentary and effort to tie it back to a misconstrued obsession with Taylor you think I have is just as sad as the misconstrued obsession you think I have.
Besides, truth doesn't change based on who says it...
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48 pages and counting for a 5th round draft pick who has his work cut out just to make the team...
amazing...
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....doubt a properly designed system around their height limitations had anything to do with their successes, right?..............
I think you're thinking we're on a different page when we aren't...
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I agree, but those guys were successful in spite of their height, not because of it.Brees-6'0"
Tarkenton-6'0"
Bob Griese-6'1"
Kemp-6'0"
Starr-6'1"
....these guys all had productive careers so there is a way to be successful......................
Taylor is above 6 feet, so not a major issue.
Did I latch?You will latch onto anything that could possibly excuse Taylor or paint him in the light you want everyone else to see him in.
I made one comment and within it I said it could mean something or could mean nothing.
Your hatred for Taylor seriously makes it virtually impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you about him.
Well this is just offensive...WIth all due respect Crusher it looks like you do the polar opposite on that.
It sure would be great if we could have you and transplant venture in from the north and south poles so a respectful discussion could be had.
really offensive...
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And something that I thought was interesting... could mean little or could mean a lot. last week Taylor said this:
this offense allows us to spread the ball around
Did Roman and Lynn NOT let him spread it around?
Was there a subtle jab at the offenses he played in the last two years?
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Myself personally, despite the numbers which don't register missed opportunities, Taylor doesn't see the field very well as a traditional pocket passer in my humble opinion transplant.
At '6 1" Taylor is looking into a moving wall of big bodies when he stands in the pocket IMO.
Yes, height's a problem. Deeper drops might help. Maybe Dennison is going to make him move around within the pocket more rather than bootlegging outside the pocket.
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I heard the interview on the Ryan Ruscillo show with the guy who wrote it. It seriously sounds like there are severe issues in that locker room in general.
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Good thinking,
I believe Taylors ability to throw the football is getting somewhat misinterpreted because of the low passing attempts and comparisons to league totals in my humble opinion.
What I think is interesting about those numbers in the article in particular is that there's something for both sides of the Taylor camp to agree on...
On one side, Taylor breaks the pocket too often; and although some of those were warranted, others weren't. He did this at the highest percentage in the league at about 1% more than Aaron Rodgers, the next highest guy.
On the other side, if Taylor can work on staying in the pocket a bit longer or a bit more, he's a pretty good pocket passer.
That's really what I've seen in Taylor, too. Hopefully Dennison is really working with him on this.
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I'm trying to abide by the generally frowned upon practice of starting any new QB threads, but I think people might be interested in this article posted a couple hours ago:
Taylor's % of dropbacks where he broke the pocket and his numbers in and out of the pocket
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Suggested middle ground on Taylor’s contract :
- Despite news accounts, I doubt the Bills ever seriously considered jettisoning Taylor. Reasons : ( a ) No better option was plausible. ( b ) Despite all the negative press, no reporter ever got a solid quote suggesting TT was on the way out. Not off the record; not even put in some ambiguous fashion. The front office carefully didn’t torch their bridges, even behind the scenes. ( c ) The Pegulas’ early-January apology over TT’s last game benching. This was possibly aimed at potential coach hires, but more likely was a signal to Taylor, the only person remotely upset about the issue. I found it significant because billionaires don’t apologize to 27 year old athletes without good reason. All of the whinging about Taylor being on the way out was never more than kabuki theater for anticipated negotiations.
- Taylor could have gotten marginally more money than his new Bills contract on the open market - but not the money of his old contract. Also, there were only a limited number of teams potentially interested. Still, let’s take Cleveland as an example. They were willing to swallow Osweiler horrendous contract just to buy a second round pick. It’s my belief they would have offered TT the same money - or slightly more - than the new Bills deal, with the Jets also a possible suitor. But no one would have matched the old deal. Of course you have to look at the dynamics with that : Taylor wanted real money for the first time in his career. Whaley wanted to place a simultaneous bet on TT as huge success or flop. The deal gave both sides what they wanted. Incidentally, the freedom Whaley got in the old deal also explains the infamous injury clause. His freedom was Taylor’s risk.
- Taylor wasn’t interested in chasing a stray million or two, but not solely for team spirit. Even granting that a part of it, the dysfunction of teams like the Browns & Jets was probably more important. The Bills offer him a better chance to win and show himself off while doing so. The contract offers him the chance to get a massive payday while still in the prime of his career. This can come as early as next year, after a respectable 15.5 million guaranteed. Taylor believes in himself, so this looks good to him long range. The dynamic here is both sides got freedom, Taylor and the Bills.
Well said. Pretty well captures how I feel this went down
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The "future" is a relative term. If the future means the next 2 years, then TT is McD's guy. McD had weeks to review TT's tape and look at all other options available. He is a methodical, detail-oriented and analytical and all part of his "process" when making decisions. The Sammy situation was very similar and McD does not just make quick proclamations without giving them serious thought. What we know is that McD thoroughly reviewed TT and came to the conclusion that he was their best option at basically 15m per year. Would he and the Bills gone higher, nobody knows except for McD. But TT seemed eager to stay with the Bills right from the beginning of McD's hire. After being treated poorly at the end of the season, he called McD after he was hired and he was there for his first press conference. It is clear that TT wanted to be with the Bills or otherwise he would have just disappeared and rehabbed on his own. But instead, he stayed in Buffalo and rehabbed and he and McD got to know each other further. TT and McD are similar guys in that they are very competitive, hard-working and down to earth. In addition to what McD saw on tape, I believe TT's dedication and hard working attitude won him over. McD said he wanted a "leader" at the QB position and he decided to go with TT. the 2 year deal gives McD more than enough time to see TT under his system. McD also hired Dennison before making the decision on TT. This gave him further insight on TT. McD interviewed Dennison and it is clear that Dennison has been a fan of TT. This would have come through during the interview process and McD hired the OC who believes in TT. All reports indicated that McD and Whaley were at odds over TT. Hiring Dennison gave McD another voice that would be on his side as far as keeping TT.
Getting back to TT, it was clear he wanted to stay in Buffalo from the beginning of McD's hire. Why? I really don't know but I can take an educated guess. TT looked at his situation in Buffalo and saw an offense that had been in the top 10 in the NFL in scoring. In fact, they were in the top 5 in scoring from week 2 thru week 16. This was without Watkins (he was a shell of himself all last year) and a rash of injuries at the wr position. He sees that he has a solid OL and some playmakers around him (Watkins, Clay, McCoy) when healthy. His early meetings with McD likely went well and he sees the HC hire an OC that believes in him. An OC that will install a system that he is familiar with and that he believes will maximize his potential. I know we are used to athletes just going to the team that pays the most $, but not all of them do this. I see TT as a guy that wants to be paid fairly but will not try and hold a team hostage to try and squeeze every last dollar out of them. TT likes his supporting cast and he likes his OC. He probably really likes McD. There would have only been only 5-6 other NFL teams out there that were looking to upgrade their starting QB (Chicago, Denver, Jets, Cleveland, Houston, SF). 4 of those teams have limited weapons on offense and TT would be risking going to a new team, with a new system and lesser offensive weapons. In Denver and Houston, the teams have been solid (slightly better than the Bills). But maybe they did not show as much interest or maybe TT did not feel those teams would be running a Shanahan/Kubiak offense that he felt comfortable with. There certainly could be other reasons but if I am TT why not stay in Buffalo. I have friends on the team and have talented weapons around me. I am very familiar with Dennison's offense and think it will maximize my abilities. I trust myself and have bet on myself before. Why not do it again as I am still going to get paid 30mil over 2 years. I want to be great and that is more important to me than going to a new city, team and system just to squeeze out a few extra million. Again, I don't pretend to know this as fact but it all seems very reasonable and plausible.
Solid post. Pretty much the way I feel on the subject, too.
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That looks personal imo.
I'll make a mental note to let 2 day threads die.
It's personal to call someone a hypocrite when they're being a hypocrite?
Being a hypocrite is pretty easily, objectively, and clearly defined. It's not like calling someone an "idiot" or a "douchebag."
He was clearly being a hypocrite.
You have a weird definition of things "getting personal."
Are you upset because I used the word "friggin?"
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I decided to bump it up? I have the threads sorted by latest post, so don't flatter yourself into thinking I chose to search you out.
Relax a bit is all we're trying to say. If you must do some name calling keep the to PM's.
Where was I name calling?
I don't think I've made this personal in any manner. I've just been talking about the issue and expressing my views.
I think you're confusing pointing out incredible fallacies or ironies as a "personal attack," when it's nothing of the sort.
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Seriously transplant, lighten up.
Wow... 2 days this thread was dying and you decide to bump it with this?
Seems weird to me... almost like you want to keep this discussion going
Yeah...seems like he's getting a little heated.
Not heated. Just hilarious how hypocritical some of the most adamantly and vocally critical posters are.
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!Edasurc
Nope, just pointing out pretty simple irony.
An argument can't be right in one instance and wrong in another when it's the exact same argument.
Continue with your vapid posts though.
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Do you know how long college player evaluations go on? Long before McD was hired.
McD "called the shots", but to ignore who did all of the legwork before he was hired. SMH.
In the nearly 30 minutes McDermott spoke, he was asked nine or 10 different questions that pertained to who would be making the Bills' draft pick at 10 and Whaley's role in the process. By the time McDermott was done repeating his answer that it will be a team effort for the ninth time, it felt like it didn't really matter.
At the end of the day, that's a decision that will be made by Doug and I, together.
McDermott left all options on the table with respect to the quarterback position in this years draft.
So tell me, was McDermott telling lies?
From BB.com
Its a quarterback-driven league, he said. Its a very important position. We feel good about the quarterbacks we have. I really like the work that theyve put in, starting with Tyrod [Taylor] and [moving] right on down the line. Its an important position overall, just like the other positions.'
In order to do our job the right way, for us to just ignore certain positions wouldnt be doing my job or Doug doing his job. Were going to look at every position so that we know if X player is sitting there, we know them inside and out, and we can make a good, solid decision for this organization quarterback no different.
Funny that "he said it, was he lying?" is an argument when it works but otherwise, it's "coach speak."
MMQB: Is Buffalos quarterback of the future on the roster now?
McDermott: He is, in Tyrod Taylor.
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Why does everyone keep posting fancy stats in their defense of Tie Rod? He is average at best. What will the excuse be this year if he again proves he cannot put a team on his shoulders and win when it counts?
Yeah... darn fancy stats... only thing that matters for QBs are Wins and Losses!!!
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I couldn't get through it. Sorry. Looked like the plays were nice, but videos like this drive me insane. Just show me the play. Don't cut every tenth of a second. If you must give me music, OK, though it's not necessary but just show me the whole play.
Dude, was this even necessary...?
Don't watch it, then. Why be so disrespectful?
Nah. That's your opinion of what they know. What they almost certainly do know is that someone unseating Taylor this year is very unlikely, but not impossible.
Stuff happens. Guys regress. Other guys take huge steps up. What they'll do, they'll watch. Barring injuries, what they're likely to see is Tyrod performing better than the others, in which case he'll get the job this year. But you never know.
He really isn't going to be handed the job.
I mean, you're right that it's a cliche. But it's a cliche for a reason.
Anything can happen, but sounds like Taylor's the QB this year barring injury based on what we're hearing from McDermott, Dennison, and the players.
So in reality Taylor's already been handed the job in that it's his to lose.
Isn't that the case with most QBs?
That may be the case, but there is no open competition or splitting reps like 2 years ago. That means they clearly expect Taylor to be their starter. You also don't pay a guy $15 million to sit on the bench as a backup.
He's been handed the job but it's possible for him to lose it.
Not all that different from most NFL QBs out there.
Tyrod doesn't have great ball-placement on his throws.... (*sigh*) Cardale either
..... This is where a kid like Peterman can come in and best BOTH of them... Not saying it will happen.... But a QB who can give WR's a CHANCE to make plays will start this season... Deuce Peterman has a CLEAR opening... Will he walk through it is the question.....Strongly disagree.
Ball placement isn't really a problem for Taylor. It's anticipation and trusting his WRs he needs to get better at. But when he decides to throw a ball to a certain spot it gets to that spot more often than not.
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TT becomes a better QB if that defense showed up for any of the games last year....
In perception, yes I think he does.
No one really talks about the Patriots D being the critical factor in that Super Bowl win or how awful Brady was for much of the game. It's what Brady did at the end to help them win that matters.
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Before I click on this article and read it, I'm going to apologize in advance for what this thread will almost certainly devolve into.
I hope I'm wrong. I'll be out all night so I'll check when I get back:
QB comparative data for Tyrod from Cian Fahey to discuss
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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