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Atlanta just lost their OC and Carolina just lost their DC... so maybe they have partial systems in place, but not entire ones.Atlanta and Carolina both have systems that have been in place for a while.
Buffalo is playing in Carolina the second week of the season. The Bills will still be in the process of learning their schemes in all facets of the game.
Every prediction is a guess. Some are just more educated than others.
Plus, again, Carolina sucked last year.
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Considering the general parity in the NFL, this seems pretty obvious.
Every year you have teams that go from being pretty good to mediocrity (Jets, Bengals) or go from mediocrity to being pretty good (Atlanta) or go from sucking to being pretty good (Titans) or go from mediocrity to being great (Oakland) or go from great to sucking (Carolina) or go from sucking to being great (Dallas).
And all that was just last year.
The most consistent teams in the NFL have probably been the Browns for sucking, the Bills for mediocrity, and the Pats for greatness.
It doesn't help that we play in the same division as the Pats. But, in the end, looking at our schedule and circling games like Atlanta and Carolina as losses seems like grasping at straws. I actually think Atlanta's going to feel the loss of Shanahan and take a step back from what they were last year. And Carolina... well, they sucked last year. Circling that as a loss seems like purely a guess.
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Rochester has Vietnamese food?
I grew up there... gotta be honest, my tastebuds didn't really become very worldly in any way until I moved to Hawai'i. Now, Pho is one of my favorite foods... and I'm not a big soup guy, either.
And don't get me started on sushi
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It's not wrong. You just might disagree with their methodology.
First of all, it's considering entire offensive DVOA on passing plays, so positive yards, whether via Taylor scrambling or passing, would factor positively towards offensive DVOA. And the opposite would also be true.
Knowing that Footballoutsiders overall DVOA of Taylor the Passer is #19, I'd suspect that one of the reasons those "plays with no pressure" are average (16) is partially the same reason the plays with pressure jump to #2: they're factoring scrambles into that equation, whereas with their typical DVOA to end the year when they rank team offense in both the passing and running game, they lump scrambles in with the running DVOA, despite the fact that sacks are still part of the passing DVOA.
So really it's not wrong. You just don't agree with it, which is to be expected considering your criticisms of when I broke down his scrambles from his designed runs and considered them part of the overall passing game.
Hey, looks like others are catching on.
This is true.
I'm glad I've been able to sit back and watch these posters continue to conduct themselves in the manner they are.
I'm hoping many here (including the MODS) are taking note and realizing that these posters aren't what they claim to be.
Crusher, rather than acting holier than thou, why don't you talk football and respond to my football post responding to a misconception of yours?
We're here to talk football.
If you enjoy sitting back and watching vitriolic posts unfold, I'm sure there are better message boards to see those train wrecks happen. I bet a political message board would be a great place to get what you seem to want if you need some guidance
How many close games did we lose last year by 6 points or less ? Many here blame the defense or praise TT for keeping us in the game by NOT turning the ball over , what bothers me is that TT was incapable ( beside the Titans game ) of putting together a game winning drive , so forgive me for not buying ( TT is better then we think ) he' is who think he is ( backup QB )
Game winning drives against the Texans in 2015 and Jags in 2016, so this isn't accurate.
And although this will sound pretty much like a broken record, the 2nd Miami game this year demonstrated maybe the best example of TT being able to put together a game winning drive. Argue semantics about it being a loss all you want, but those are just flimsy semantics if what truly concerns you is how capable Taylor is of putting together a drive late in a game in a real pressure situation and coming through with a go-ahead score.
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You really should find a way to unwind... you're always so incredibly wound up.No one cares about your petty bbmb beefs. We get it, we got it 5,000 posts ago.
Both of you attack all who don't love Tyrod in a passive aggressive manner.
Just PM each other.
I asked that poster a pretty direct question.
Why you always so mad?
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I think we've all seen this offense struggle through most games with consecutive 3 and outs, cringing that the defense would be back out in less than two minutes. The stats are scewed with big plays, but it's still bad offensive football that loses games.
Hmmm... based on your avatar (and your post) I'm guessing you're a guy from BBMB who used the same one and posted frequently.
Am I wrong?
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This is wrong.
Tyrod was below average when not under pressure...he performed much better when facing pressure, which a number of us attribute to his mobility and playmaking ability.
It's not wrong. You just might disagree with their methodology.
First of all, it's considering entire offensive DVOA on passing plays, so positive yards, whether via Taylor scrambling or passing, would factor positively towards offensive DVOA. And the opposite would also be true.
Knowing that Footballoutsiders overall DVOA of Taylor the Passer is #19, I'd suspect that one of the reasons those "plays with no pressure" are average (16) is partially the same reason the plays with pressure jump to #2: they're factoring scrambles into that equation, whereas with their typical DVOA to end the year when they rank team offense in both the passing and running game, they lump scrambles in with the running DVOA, despite the fact that sacks are still part of the passing DVOA.
So really it's not wrong. You just don't agree with it, which is to be expected considering your criticisms of when I broke down his scrambles from his designed runs and considered them part of the overall passing game.
Hey, looks like others are catching on.
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When you score 34 points, break a franchise record for yards and leave the field with the lead and a minute to go how can a reasonable person pin that loss on the QB? That's not logical.
I'm not picking on you but the people that think QB is the reason that they were 7-9 are so wrong. The offense played at a playoff level. The defense played at a 3 win level. The HC was awful as well. We need to stop using our emotions and start looking at the facts. The facts don't blame the guy that put up 31 points for the Fitz loss or Moore loss. That's someone with an agenda, not logic.
See, I have an issue with people who say "the only stat that matters is the record" when it comes to a QB discussion as though that sums up the QB argument... or is a big factor in it.
The Bills won a game against Cincinnati, but after that game I was discouraged about Taylor as a QB because he was horrible. I felt that way while being happy about the Win, of which Taylor had little to do with.
The Bills lost against Seattle and Miami at home, but after both games I was incredibly encouraged about Taylor as a QB because he was excellent. I felt that way while being bitterly disappointed about the Loss, of which Taylor had little to do with.
I don't understand the inability to separate an examination of the quality of a QB from Wins and Losses.
If that's what we're doing, then Andrew Luck, Joe Flacco, Phillip Rivers, and Drew Brees all deserve immense criticism themselves for Win/Loss record of the Colts, Ravens, and Chargers over the last 2 years and the Saints over the last 3 years.
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I'll chime in with where I stand. I think Tyrod was the best we could do this year and I hope the passing offense improves. I thought he showed promise in 2015 but slid in 2016. If it doesn't improve I hope the Bills spend those picks wisely next year on a QB and he becomes the answer
And this, I feel, is where the vast majority of us stand
I don't think we need a poll to reveal that
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Poll Wording makes all the difference
Is TT the "real" problem, or is TT the long term answer.
I am looking for discussions not pissing contests. Sure I may have strayed a few times, but one can only be called a hater or have an agenda so many times before it topples the scales.
TT is the best option we have
I wish we could see more from him and the team
There is nothing wrong with that sentiment. But being called a hater for it is not right.
Well, sounds familiar, and it swings both ways with both sides of the argument
When you have idiots saying dumb stuff like you've "got it hard for Taylor," it makes civil discussion virtually impossible.
People need to not make everything so personal on a message board.
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Poll Wording makes all the difference
Is TT the "real" problem, or is TT the long term answer.
There have been polls. But if you make that poll with your wording "Is TT the "real" problem, or is TT the long term answer," you leave out all the middle ground where the vast majority I'm talking about sit.
I'm speaking for myself, but I believe the vast majority are, at best, "undecided, but somewhat encouraged" as to whether TT is the long term answer, but believe what he's done so far warrants a longer look.
If you think this poll should be created and you think wording is key, you should create that poll. But again, we had something like that as a poll over at BBMB, and it truly was a vocal minority who thought TT was "the real" or even "a big" problem.
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People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones transplant.
I've an idea for you. Start a new thread / Poll and make it public where people can go on record. This way we shall see "for real" who is in the minority and who isn't.
Maybe some people are sick and tired of posting the same thing day after day after day after day. I know I grow tired of it.
I'm even more tired of being called out as a hater and having an agenda.
Your idea for a new thread has been done before. Don't you remember? There was a real minority of people who thought Taylor was a real problem.
And I'm sorry, if you guys are so tired of posting and some are going to just get angry and belligerent (and I'm not talking about you), then why are you posting in these topics you're so sick of discussing?
It absolutely baffles my mind.
And yes, I realize I'm not guilt free. I could always keep my mouth shut and not respond to what are turning into more and more angry and/or belligerent and/or middle school posts, but I haven't been.
With that, I'll try harder to not respond to those posts... or at least do so without bringing myself down to their level.
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Which Gruden brother are you ?
Productive post
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i don't think there are a lot of people complaining about the offense. the DEFENSE is what let us down last year. the only complaint about the offense was that once down, there was no way we are coming back. Tyrod can't air it out and get us back into games if we are down by a lot and he can't lead a game winning 2 min drive. the only way this will work is with a dominating defense that keeps the score low and for Tyrod and company to effectively and consistently move the ball and put up points
There are at least an incredibly vocal minority complaining about the offense. It's possible there aren't a lot of them, but the few there are get very vocal and sometimes belligerent about it.
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Just read through this thread, and clearly Thurman and Rochesterfan had the best and most accurate posts.
This thread kind of piggybacks off of the last Tyrod thread and Transplants post near the end about Tyrod and how he fares under pressure, and at that time I argued how that was not surprising because of his mobility and ability to make things happen. It was met with opposition from a certain pro Tyrod poster who challenged this assertion with inadequate information. I'm glad to see this brought back up so that we can get more answers on it.
You can name me. You don't have to say "a certain pro Tyrod poster." I was the one who challenged your assertion because it was wrong.
You, Thurman, and RF all seem to be under the impression that every time Taylor's under pressure, he breaks the pocket or scrambles. You call visual proof from easy access of Taylor's TD highlights, which show a QB only leaving the pocket 20% of the time when pressured "inadequate information?" If it is, I don't know what to give you. You certainly aren't going to trust me if I go through every single pass of Taylor and count 'em up. I won't waste my time doing that when there's no chance anything will sway you.
If you have game pass, go watch every single passing play from Taylor and count them up for yourself. Even if you're looking at those plays with biased eyes, at least you're putting in some effort
Can we just wait for the 2017 season and let that speak for itself?
Then what are we supposed to do here in the meantime?
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God - I try to stay out, but it just keeps coming back and I am sure like all of the other TT threads - we will have the exact same groups on both sides calling each other names and complaining about being insulted - such fun, but I digress.
Thanks Happy - I like the thought, but I am not sure what it really tells us. First - the best part of TT's game is his mobility - so none of the stats "surprise" me. What it tells me is that under pressure - where he can't think and plays on instinct - he plays better. When he has time and an open field to read and absorb - he wants to make the perfect play and therefore is much less effective.
What to me is truly scary is his TDs - well over half of his TD throws by this were under pressure - yet he was under pressure about 1/3 of the time. He needs to get much, much better in the flow of a game.
Overall the combination of articles tell me 2 things - 1 Tyrod's legs are a huge part of his game and really helps with his play under pressure to escape and both run and throw. 2 - if I am a team playing TT - I look to what Baltimore did and I want to force him to be a QB and force him to read the field and make decisions- I think that is where TT struggles and that is why teams talk about making him be a QB.
He is an improviser and his legs are a major part of his game, but the 2/3 of a time that teams did not pressure him and force him to make a play - his play tailed off. We will see what happens next - I will let you get back to insulting each other now.
Soooo... this article includes scrambles, yes. It includes them for all QBs.
You and Thurm have the same conclusions, it seems... that this reveals nothing new because we always knew he was a great runner.
Why are you latching onto 25% of the "pressured" plays he's referring to? I say 25% because Taylor scrambled 47 times. But there were 188 "pass plays with pressure" that footballoutsiders article refers to.
This isn't all about his legs. He stood in the pocket and delivered plenty of passes with pressure around him or coming straight at him. Just go watch his TD highlights and you can pretty easily figure out which ones are the pressure plays and which ones are the non pressure plays. By my count (and please, check for yourself and let me know if I counted wrong and which plays you included), of the 10 relatively obvious "pressure plays" on his passing TDs (since we know from those other sources he has 10 passing TDs under pressure) Taylor only left the pocket twice. Those were the TD pass to Salas in the Jets game and the TD pass to Hunter in the back of the end zone in the Rams game. That means he stood in the pocket and delivered 80% of his TD passes that were under pressure.
And saying at those points he just always is "acting on instinct" ignores plays like the TD pass to Goodwin in the 1st Dolphins game with the defender running free straight at him and plowing him to the ground. Or the Steelers game with the pass to Clay where he pump fakes to try to make just enough room to get the ball to Clay before getting tackled.
You're right, it's just another thread with people lumped in their camps, which is simply a shame because it makes civil and rational discussion absolutely impossible.
It'd be helpful if everyone at least understood what the articles actually said before scurrying to try to fit that square study into their round narrative
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Dude, I wasn't implying that or anything like that. You didn't just miss the point, you selected a new point out of thin air and assumed it was mine.
Of course it considers passing, sacks AND scrambles. That's what I said. Take a look:
Get it?
Since passing DVOA already includes sacks ... when I was talking about their adjustments and said "if you include scrambles past the LOS" I was of course pointing out that the second stat includes passes, sacks and scrambles.
So -for the second time - of course adding Tyrod's scrambles to his passing DVOA is going to make him look better than it makes most NFL QBs look. We all know that's the strong part of his game.
Whyncha try reading carefully next time before you get your panties all sweaty and in a bunch.
*sigh*
I'm not missing anything, Thurm. I read it all. Did you read the article?
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2016
Today, we are looking at our charting results for quarterbacks and pressure for the 2016 regular season. These are always some of the most cited and noteworthy numbers in Football Outsiders Almanac (the 2017 edition will be available in July!). This data primarily comes from Sports Information Solutions charting, although we also have access to ESPN Stats & Information data and we use that to check against the SIS data. Pressure will always have a subjective element to it, but we feel that comparing the two sources has led to a more accurate measurement.
They didn't just "add in scrambles." They factored in only passing plays where the QBs faced pressure. That's different.
You said, "I'm worried about Tyrod's pass game, not his run game," when, in fact, these numbers factor in both. And considering how how Taylor's passer rating is under pressure, if it doesn't change anything for you, you should at least understand what it says before deciding that it changes nothing for you.
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This seems to me to show that Tyrod was very good at running the ball. And that that is also true when he's under pressure.
I would have guessed that.
The stat addresses the fact that if you include scrambles past the LOS, the DVOA (really a whole offense stat, not an individual player stat, as Football Outsiders not just admits but publicizes) improves. Yeah, I would have expected that. I've never ever been concerned about his scrambles once he gets past the LOS.
I'm worried about his pass game. Not Tyrod's run game. I know that's excellent, and I think we all do.
This also doesn't change anything for me.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2016
Instead, this rating represents team offensive DVOA with this quarterback either passing (including sacks) or scrambling.
Ummm... what?
This icreased DVOA (and he jumps all the way up to #2, so far from an insignificant jump) doesn't only consider his scrambles (as you imply in your utterly dismissive attitude), it considers passing, sacks, AND scrambles...
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Clearly that's simply not the way some people operateI just don't understand how the Bills fans are always left off the top fan articles.
I just don't get it.
Oh... Well it might be because some fans call our qb a "turd" and others go into threads they don't have anything constructive to say to call people deciding to be positive about our qb situation "insecure".
I mean, we could just be having a conversation. Don't like the topic? Stay out of the thread. Easy.
Insecure to talk about the qb of your football team? Yikes. I feel bad for anyone in your life that doesn't feel exactly as you do about things.
Differing opinion = insecurity? Wow.
Hap, I'm sorry for being a part of potentially derailing this thread. It's interesting and new stuff and worth at least a discussion.
Exactly!I wish I was, I'd automatically ban anyone that gripes about a thread being started.
It's s message board, if threads aren't started there's no conversation.
It's like whining that you're being given too many options at dinner.
Don't like it? Don't eat it.
Talk about a handful who lack any restraint.
Sorry... I can't resist, but DUDE!!!!!Safe space. I'm gonna stand by the door and keep old school out too.
How many times are you gonna say you're going to stop posting on this subject only to keep posting on the subject?!?!
Yeah a buncha douchebags flooded the thread starting **** just hurling insults rather than remotely talking about the subject.ahaahahaaaaa.
the only problem i can see with this, is that the truth of this post will fly over the head of quite a number of those in the Tyrod Camp.
i was gonna start a thread on the over/under number of days before another Tyrod thread would pop up after the last one got locked down. but i figured it would be sooner rather than later.....
Why shouldn't there always be a thread on page 1 to discuss the starting QB of our favorite football team?
Lolz those 70 yards passing through 3 qtrs really had Big Ben shook. Congrats for tooting that garbage time horn.
This TT biasness and excusemaking is top notch. I can't even anymore.
Enjoy your offseason sir. I'm out of the qb talk/delusion game Til winter.
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Yeah I'm happy you posted that... it provides some validity at least to when I broke down Taylor's scrambles as separate from his designed runs.I wasn't going to with just the sack/conversion study. But then that FO article was published today and it left me no choice.
Looks like our OL was a big issue
Whatever happened to you being done with all the Tyrod discussion?Factually wrong ? Wrong
You're a TT guy and you want to prop him up, that doesn't change the fact he's 1-6 vs .500 teams.
I am factually right if you want to drop this biasness and deal with hard cold facts. Don't disrespect Archimedes bro !
Seasons over, Bills sucked again, thanks to Jacoby Brissett for the 1.
Show me the money in 2017.
It's pretty dumb to not examine the Seattle game or 2nd Miami game this year as positives and proof a Taylor led team is capable of doing serious damage against good teams.Let's go back 2 years to find positives. Nice.
Beating Fitz and Hoyer is quite a feather in the cap. The colts win was something, it felt like we didn't suck for a solid few weeks
It's like you're incapable of saying anything positive.
Instead, you resort to "pantsed" as your go-to...
How old are you?
You keep jumping into these threads and saying you're done with this discussion, without prompting by anyone.
Dude, are you bipolar?
Clearly you're the one who needs Dr. Phil
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I'm a troll because I'd rather draft a qb then watch a guy who put up a 1-6 record vs .500 teams ?
Interesting take. Apologies for wanting more and adios thread. This is devolving into nonsense like the other locked TT thread.
Have fun with the wishing for 9-7 thing.
1-6 No 49ers on schedule this year. Pretend all is well if you must.
I love you all, but let's not forget all the times Tyrod was pantsed by real qb's
And this concludes Tyrod 2016. Part 45,663
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I didn't skip anything, i watched him poop his pants vs the Ravens, Steelers, Raiders, Bengals, Patriots and Dolphins.
Guess my memory is better than yours. We don't have to agree, you obviously want to give him more chances while I don't ever want to see another Steelers/Raiders/Pats w Brady game again. (My man can't even pass for 200 yards while getting blown out? Gross!)
Don't quote me. I'm out of this subject. You can't convert me lol.
and two posts later...
I see you haven't met Transplant and Jm yet.
They love Taylor more than I love Scarjo and Hathaway.
How many times in this thread alone are you going to say you're done with the subject only to come right back into the discussion you just said you were going to leave?
You just can't quit us, can you?
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Whoa... good stuff! Glad you started this, Hap! Thanks
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Do me a favor and never ever ever ever offer me any advice again.
I don't care about your love affair with all things Taylor. it's a passing league. We need a qb, sorry this offends you.
The horse is all yours, I'm out. Fanboys gonna Fanboy.
Wow, no problem dishing it out but just can't take it, huh?
You keep implying you're done with these conversations and then you keep coming back.
Which players can the Bills not afford to lose to injury?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Losing the QB hurts more than any other position unless there's a diamond in the rough at backup, obviously.