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We heard your opinion (42,000 times) your mans still behind Simien and in front of Tanny in the poop tier. Nothing's changed.
Weird... I don't even have 1,000 posts here but you've heard my opinion 42,000 times, huh?
Why do people get their panties all in a bunch when others disagree with them and explain why using logic and/or reasoning and/or stats and/or other means of rationale?
Why is it so offensive to some to have a discussion with someone you might not sway in terms of opinion but will openly accept your own differing opinion if it's reasonable and you're being civil?
I blame social media. It's making everyone so terse.
Like I said. It doesn't really matter how you define whatever it is you are doing. It matters what the mods think of it.
Okay... well apparently the mods don't think much because I haven't heard from them or received a warning or anything. Thanks for the support
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Responding to almost every post in a topic is considered spamming FYI.
Ummm, no, it's dialogue because I'm generally addressing posts directed at me, if you'll notice. It's conversation. This is a DISCUSSION board.
But pretty ironic considering how much you're posting in here, as well.
Sorry but there aren't many topics outside the QB position I enjoy discussing in the offseason.
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This is why the bbmb was shut down
Solid if if and if game from jm. Solid crusade full of shucking, jiving and cooking stats from Transplant
Guuuuuuurooooose.
You're right... message boards are better when everyone shares the same opinion...
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Would you say the same thing if the opinion was something you agreed with and wanted to hear? Of course not. People don't want to hear Tyrod was probably going to be cut if he didn't re-structure so they try real hard to discredit it.
Thank you for including the word "probably."
It acknowledges that it's merely an opinion.
I still disagree.
You have this constant need to argue about Tyrod. It's why these silly threads you make go on forever until they are shutdown for becoming so ridiculous and pointless. You appear to want to come across as some victim who gets attacked but you bring this all on yourself because you it seems like you cannot stand the fact that others don't feel the same about Tyrod.
Of course you believe everything is speculation that you don't want to hear. Coincidentally you try and validate everything that agrees with your agenda.
I'm a big boy. If you don't get personal I'm fine with strong disagreement.
If these arguments are so "ridiculous and pointless," why do you and others keep chiming in?
If you presume I'm just delusional, why bother?
You're just clearly too perfect to ever be at fault I guess
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The only definitive statement I have made is on how the Bills currently view Tyrod.... which is not as their QB of the future. Are they leaving the option open that he might still become that? Sure. But they don't believe he is now. That has been my argument since I entered this thread.
And I'm saying that McDermott might actually view Tyrod as the QB of the future (let's also remember that those words came out of his mouth almost 2 full months after Taylor restructured his deal, also) now, but has an out if he wants.
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To me Quarterback of the future means you have your guy and you have stopped looking. This is your guy and you are going to build around him for a decade.
If by future you mean the immediate future (ie. 2017 and probably 2018) sure McDermott thinks Tyrod can be that. But if there is any sort of hedging of bets being done that is not a Quarterback of the future to my mind.
Kinda a unique situation here, though.
The Bills haven't tried to upgrade the position this offseason.
It's pretty clearly a "wait and see" approach.
You're making definitive statements as though Taylor "is" or "is not" the QB of the future... like the absolute decision is now. McDermott will clearly use the 2017 season to make that final determination. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have or isn't allowed to form thoughts and feelings based on what he's seen so far in Taylor. And based on his statement and then Dennison's comments the other day about Taylor, this looks like Taylor's team and it looks like there's some excitement about his long term prospects amongst them.
The entire year in the NBA pretty much everyone said that it would be the Cavs and Warriors in the NBA finals. Sure looks like they were right. That doesn't mean the season and playoffs didn't need to play out.
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when its expressed as an opinion I'm not sure why it even matters.
This is what's irritating with these posters. They gloss over the fact that I accept their opinions as reasonable but disagree.
Apparently they don't realize that message boards are for discussion. Personally, I find discussion most enjoyable when you're able to see different perspectives, even if you don't entirely agree with them.
I guess they just want everyone in their party boat where all their opinions are facts.
You and John both need to learn how to not respond to posts that aren't addressed to you. A sign of the crusades, I suppose.
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During his press conference and when discussing his decision to sign a new a deal, Tyrod said his agent talked to other teams during the combine.
You believe Tyrod would be here regardless and want to pretend that him being cut unless he signed a new deal is some outlandish opinion with nothing to support it. The reality is that the information we know and common sense tells us that was a likely outcome. Otherwise, why would his agent be gauging the market if his client was not going to be cut regardless of whether he worked out a new deal or not?
And I'm not against you but your schtick is getting rather old and tiresome at this point though. It makes this place borderline unreadable at times.
So don't read my posts if they bother you so much. I'd respond to the rest of that post because I do have responses to it, but it's also clear you don't see any reason when you see that I'm typing it.
I understand your position. I respect it. I probably agree with some of it if it were all to be fleshed out at one time. But at this point, it's you and your ilk who are the ones being unreasonable in thinking that you get to decide what are facts and what are opinions.
Can you answer the question?
Baiting...
Do you know how many QB's can and have won 9-10 games?
More baiting...
just sad...
Putting 2 and 2 together is not hard, especially in this scenario. People just want to ignore the information in front of their faces because it goes against things they've been arguing relentlessly.
Confirmation bias is very real when it comes to Tyrod.
Sorry bro. People are complex. Not everyone operates in the exact same way. Because the human factor is involved in this, this is a lot more speculative than you realize.
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I don't think my position does hinge on whether the Bills would have released him if he had not renegotiated. The fact that the Bills went to him to try and cut $10m off his salary and halve his contract tells you they don't see him as their QB of the future.
Had he refused to accept the paycut and they'd have kept him on his previous terms (unlikely in my opinion but I fully accept I do not know one way or the other) we would not have known that the Bills do not see him as their QB of the future but it wouldn't make it any less true, just less public. You do not go to guys you think are your Quarterback of the future and ask them to halve their contract and give up $10m. I am sorry that is simply not how the NFL works and hence I find it a stretch in logic to get myself to the place others seem to be at.
I'm not saying McDermott thinks Taylor is the QB of the future in the way the Seahawks think Wilson is or the Panthers think Newton is or the way the Raiders think Carr is.
McDermott obviously is basing his opinion on only what he's seen on tape and in person.
Aren't there varying levels of belief in the same way that wagers in Vegas vary in terms of odds?
While the Raiders might give Carr 90/10 odds that he's the QB for the next 10 years, maybe McDermott is giving Taylor 60/40 odds. Those are completely arbitrary and random odds and I'm not saying that those are the numbers, but that means that there's more risk that he won't be, but he stands a better chance of being the QB of the future than not, thus McDermott's statements, thus McDermott's statement about Taylor being the QB of the future and also not addressing the position until late in the draft.
But McDermott is smart. He's hedging his bets. He doesn't know for sure or have absolute confidence that Taylor is the long term answer, so while he wants to run with a QB he think can be the long term answer, he'll probably determine that relatively quickly... certainly by the end of the season so the team can get in the position in next year's draft if need be to draft a guy.
Why ask him to take this new contract and pay cut? Because it was all already setting up for McDermott by the time he arrived in Buffalo. Taylor had already mentioned that he'd consider restructuring and the game was already afoot in the media.
Why would a team not want to free up more money for other players if it can while in this process creating a contract and situation where you can be sure you get your franchise QB sooner rather than later if you're wrong? It's not like there's some lasting relationship McDermott is destroying with Taylor. He just started working with him and can mend the relationship as they progress if there are any problems.
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You said a few pages ago that you believed Tyrod would still be here even if he didn't sign a new deal.
The information we know contradicts your belief.
I'm legitimately curious here. Maybe I missed a piece of information here.
Is there something that is not speculation that I'm missing or are you just so adamantly against me that my posts cloud your own judgement and you're making something up?
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What information contradicts it?You said a few pages ago that you believed Tyrod would still be here even if he didn't sign a new deal.
The information we know contradicts your belief.
Information, not speculation...
Why did you ask the question when you knew what my answer was?Nope, no way.
Again if Tyrod had any inkling at all why wouldn't he have just held his ground and call the Bills bluff?
You expect to be taken seriously with biased comments like that.
Were you baiting?
This post is pretty childish. I gave you a thoughtful response and you give me this...
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Why would Tyrod's agent be talking to other teams at the combine and testing the market if he was not in danger of being cut? Your bias is clouding your judgement here.
Are you being serious here?
Did I ever say that the Taylor camp never thought Taylor would get cut?
Do you not understand leverage?
I think you're (largely incorrect) view of me is clouding your judgment.
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What would have happened if Taylor said, Nope not taking a pay cut?
I can't say anything as fact because I don't know things that don't happen as fact. I can't slide into alternate realities the way some apparently can and find out.
BUT...
I think the Bills would have picked up his option. The moment Taylor made that comment on clean out day I said a number of times from there on out that Buffalo would have been fiscally irresponsible to NOT try to get Taylor to renegotiate and that we would be hearing things "out of" OBD from "experts" and "insiders" that would need to be taken with a grain of salt because those types of "private-made-public" comments are often used in these types of scenarios to leverage the other side and get a better deal.
It was a big game of chicken and Taylor flinched first. But I really don't think Buffalo was prepared to cut him and go into the 2017 NFL year with Cardale Jones and Josh Woodrum as our QBs with the hope of finding some other capable starter for this year in FA or the draft because I think McDermott wants to win now, not later.
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I've understood what you have been arguing about the whole time. It just doesn't hold any water.
The Bills do not view Tyrod Taylor currently as the Quarterback of the future unless by future you mean 2017 season. I think we have sufficient evidence for that be indisputable. I don't know what more proof you would require. But I suspect nothing would pursuade you. #CoT.
Geez dude...
Your entire argument is based on the premise that Buffalo would have released Taylor if he didn't accept the pay cut.
That's an opinion. Not a fact.
Clearly there's plenty else we disagree on but I think I've been pretty good in terms of explaining things. You've explained yourself, too. I've read your responses and accept them as reasonable. But I still disagree and certainly won't accept just letting it sit as fact for you to always bring up as fact in other discussion connected to it with me.
I don't know why you need this opinion to be fact so badly...
#anTy
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No it was about you saying that the Bills think he is. Despite cutting his contract in half and taking $10m off him over the next two years (and that is minimum by the way... if they cut ties after this year - which I don't think they will - he will have gone from basically having $40.5m guaranteed over two years to $15.5m).
Despit that you assert that it is a reasonable interpretation based on the fact that McDermott decided not to cut Tyrod this offseason but to retain him on vastly inferior term that the Bills view Tyrod as their Quarterback of the future.
Well I have been back 20 years and can't find a single example where a team has done that with a guy that was or became a Franchise Quarterback for them. Therefore I am afraid I don't find your interpretation reasonable I find it a reach. Sorry if that in your world that makes me a crusader. But this is no crusade. It is simply following the money.
I'm glad you at least sorta kinda maybe understand what I've been arguing about.
Maybe now you can accept that what you're arguing are not, in fact, facts.
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Okay so firstly... you think Tyrod juat said "sure take $10m away why not?" He took that pay cut because he had to not because he wanted to. This was his best chance to start for a potentially competitive team next year. Period.
Second... you are claiming Tyrod is a the Quarterback of the future. That means you think he is a Franchise Quarterback or is going to be. The two are one and the same to me. A Quarterback of the future is a guy so good you stop looking.
If you think Quarterback of the future just means starter this year and possibly next then sure, he is a Quarterback of the future. To me that is not what the term means.
No periods because you're still speculating. Unless you're a mind reader, you can't say what someone is or was thinking factually because you aren't that person. Period.
Why are you fighting this so hard? I said your interpretation is reasonable but not fact.
Second. No I'm not and no I don't. You're so wrapped up in being right about something I've already said is reasonable, but you so desperately want to let it sit as fact, when it isn't, that you're forgetting where this originated.
No I don't know if Taylor's the QB of the future.
He might be.
I'm glad we have more time to decide.
But this was never about me thinking or (here's a hint to bring you back) saying Taylor is the QB of the future
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Crusading? Me?
Am I the one not listening to reasonable evidence? There is only one side crusading here and it is the cult.
I have been on this board 4 or 5 years and enjoyed every moment of it. Never had a word from a MOD, never been accused of crusading. But I am afraid this offseason I have just about had my fill of the CoT.
It has made this board borderline unreasonable at times and in my opinion has not been handled fairly at all. People who are genuinely anti-TT (and I am not) have been banned and suspended and yet people who are equally obstructive to genuine debate by grounding themselves in frankly unreasonable pro-Tyrod positions (like "they think he is a Franchise QB and yet forced him into a $10m pay cut) are allowed to do so.
Ban me if that is what people want to do. It is frankly ridiculous. If you can't make an evidence based assertion against Tyrod Taylor as a Franchise Quarterback without being labelled a crusader then this place may as well be run by the Bills top brass like BBMB (which incidently I tried for 3 weeks before finding this place).
There is crusading going unabated in this thread alright but I sure as hell promise you it isn't coming from me.
Yes. Clearly you are guilt free. That is simply inarguable...
I dont really think Gunner is a crusader.....I dont agree with everything he says but I wouldnt put him in that group
He might not be a crusader, but it's pretty clear he's crusading that something is a fact or is "inarguable" when, in fact, it's not.
Crusading? Me?
Am I the one not listening to reasonable evidence? There is only one side crusading here and it is the cult.
I have been on this board 4 or 5 years and enjoyed every moment of it. Never had a word from a MOD, never been accused of crusading. But I am afraid this offseason I have just about had my fill of the CoT.
It has made this board borderline unreasonable at times and in my opinion has not been handled fairly at all. People who are genuinely anti-TT (and I am not) have been banned and suspended and yet people who are equally obstructive to genuine debate by grounding themselves in frankly unreasonable pro-Tyrod positions (like "they think he is a Franchise QB and yet forced him into a $10m pay cut) are allowed to do so.
Ban me if that is what people want to do. It is frankly ridiculous. If you can't make an evidence based assertion against Tyrod Taylor as a Franchise Quarterback without being labelled a crusader then this place may as well be run by the Bills top brass like BBMB (which incidently I tried for 3 weeks before finding this place).
There is crusading going unabated in this thread alright but I sure as hell promise you it isn't coming from me.
The issue here is you aren't even keeping track of this argument. No one, and I mean NO ONE is saying that Tyrod Taylor IS a Franchise Quarterback.
EVERYONE is saying we need to see more and he needs to produce better than 2016. And a good deal better than 2016 if he wants McDermott to keep him as his future QB and not draft a guy in the 1st next year.
If that's what you think I've been arguing about, let's just forget it.
But understand that you are CONSTANTLY talking about things that are NOT fact as though they ARE facts. And you keep on saying it. And you apparently don't listen to the other side of the argument. Evidently the only "reasonable" arguments are those you agree with because right in this post you call certain pro-Tyrod positions unreasonable as you slip words of speculation like "forced" into an otherwise purely factual statement trying to let yet another opinion slide as fact while discrediting those wacky pro-Tyrod posters.
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Okay fine. The Redskins are not sold on Cousins either. If they were convinced he is a Franchise QB you don't think they'd have paid him by now?
Cousins is at the upper end of the same group I put Tyrod in. Guys you can make the playoffs with but you can't win a Championship with.
If we keep Tyrod on two tags it means after 6 years as the Bills starter they would still not be convinced he is a franchise QB. I'll give you $100 if that happens.
No, you don't get what I'm saying. I'm saying he's LOCKED into Buffalo for 4 years, no matter what, if he plays at a really high level.
Buffalo doesn't risk anything because Taylor, if he plays 100% lights out and becomes an All-Pro, is NOT going anywhere until at least 2021 if negotiating a long term contract becomes difficult as it sometimes does.
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Yes.
My bad... couldn't tell...
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As for it being speculation to disagree. Find me one more example in the last 20 years of the NFL where a team has reduced the cash number of a guy they are treating as a Franchise QB by $10m. Not where they lowered an annual cap hit but where they lowered the cash a guy would receive. I can't think of a single one.
Maybe you believe the Bills have set a new trend of successfully lowballing their QB of the future? Personally I find that interpretation incredible. The truth is they see him as the best option now and long term as a bridge.
Dude, you're speculating. Continue to argue that your speculation is fact if you want. Keep crusading with that if you want.
But it's not fact. It's a reasonable opinion. It's not fact.
You're the one stating something as fact. You prove it as fact. Why would I do legwork for someone else's opinion?
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When a member needs/creates multiple accounts to avoid infractions hmmm...
I don't know what else to say except that member could stand a break.
Maybe participate in life.
(It exists outside of this site)
If that's an insult to you I'd suggest thicker skin.
Oh... so you were directing that comment at that other poster, not me?
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3 years. Not 4. His new contract is 2 years he is franchise eligible in 2019.
As for it being speculation to disagree. Find me one more example in the last 20 years of the NFL where a team has reduced the cash number of a guy they are treating as a Franchise QB by $10m. Not where they lowered an annual cap hit but where they lowered the cash a guy would receive. I can't think of a single one.
Maybe you believe the Bills have set a new trend of successfully lowballing their QB of the future? Personally I find that interpretation incredible. The truth is they see him as the best option now and long term as a bridge.
4 years. This year. Next year. Franchise tag twice like the 'Skins just did with Cousins.
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Thank God for that 2 YPC which absolutely offsets the crushing, drive killing sacks.
You act like it means nothing, but QBs like Matthew Stafford and Jameis Winston don't gain those extra 2 yards... they lose yards.
I haven't even looked at their own designed runs vs. sacks vs. kneeldowns (which you'd have to do), but Winston netted -71 yards and Stafford netted -9 yards after considering their runs and their sacks, while Taylor netted +175 yards.
You act like Taylor's the only one who has "crushing, drive killing sacks" in the NFL when in actuality it happens a lot to a lot of QBs.
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Dude Need Life
What's wrong with you? Why do you resort to personal attacks?
Sacks/scrambles for negative yardage aren't included in that total.
Don't worry... I just included it for you... see above
Tyrod will not be handed starting Job
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Considering I've started all of 2 threads since joining this board and I'm in this one carrying on a civil discussion with a couple posters while a couple others are being pretty immature with their responses, I think I'm good.
Thanks, though