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Why don't you cry a little louder and tell us more about all the Oregon qb's that should be starting for the Bills ? You're the king of terrible takes but I like the emotion. Guess you've forgotten the raiders and steelers games too.
Fact based arguments of badol ? Lol. He lost his press pass over his Lesean McCoy megafail.
Best qb since Kelly = aka 25th in passing yards sandwiched between Simien and Tannenhill. Puleeeze
1-7 vs .500 teams = don't caaaaaaaaare. Get it together Mann. Here's a nice clip for ya if you're tired of the Baltimore one. Check out EJ baby !!
Can't even pass for 190 yards while down a million. Sad. You're better than this.
Is that the game where over 100 yards were lost on dropped passes on well thrown balls from Taylor?
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Yeah, that's about what I expected from you. Which Oregon QBs have I promoted? Only one I can think of is Marcus Mariota. I'll gladly own up to that one. Go back to pimping Mr. 6-5.
The year Mariota came out I wanted to trade up for him.
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I assume this means you're admitting your opinions are also worth nothing?
Oh absolutely, but not based on who I am, just because my arguments are stronger
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You just really, really, really, really hate the idea that Tyrod got paid what the Bills valued him at and it wasn't just Tyrod really, really, really, really loves the Bills.
It seems really obvious to me it's a bridge deal but to each his own.
Here's to at least he plays really well.
I don't hate that at all.
See, here you go again thinking you know how I feel about everything.
What I actually hate are people who talk in absolutes about things they absolutely don't know, like the motives of people or precisely what is "coachspeak" or "sugarcoating" vs what people are saying truthfully.
I don't care if you think that's why Taylor took the money because it's possible. But it's also possible that the words that came out of the mouths of said parties are true, as well.
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Think away... feel free.If he fit really well...why did they restructure his contract where it was a pretty big paycut and put another out clause? Wouldn't you want a guy who fit what you're doing really well locked up long term?
I think it's because it's coach speak.
You can be Sherlock Holmes and try to deduce motive from all parties involved, just don't pretend it's the obvious truth when all it really is is a guess... maybe an educated guess, but nothing more than that.
Based on guy-on-message-board...It is the most likely interpretation.
Dude... go look back at some of the crap you've been saying holding Taylor accountable for the 3rd down % of the team on plays where McCoy or Gillislee are running the football...How am I wrong in saying TT needs areas of improvement?
How am I wrong in saying TT needs a more productive passing game?
How am I wrong in saying TT is more than just his limited # of passing attempts and related stats?
It's jaw-dropping lunacy...
I can't even believe some of the stuff you've been saying in the last few pages like how no one is saying Taylor sucks just a few posts after FireChan said "TT sucked" in reference to 2016.
What's funny is that all of you that use the term "CoT" have an even more disturbing cult-like blindness and mob mentality. It's just getting ugly...
Yes, that's why I used it.
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See winning record against playoff teams.
This is where the lines get blurred as to who is deemed a fan of Taylor's and who isn't a fan.
We agree that TT is not a Franchise QB.
We agree that he's good and but he has to rely on a very good defense to get to the next level.
So, in essence if I'm too critical of TT because of this, then in a sense so are you.
The argument isn't how great his stats are, the argument is the team with TT under center hasn't good enough for 2 straight seasons.
to be continued
God what a tangled web we weave...
The Chargers and Saints better move on from Rivers and Brees since they missed the playoffs multiple years in a row.
Oh wait... that's just dumb... just like this whole line of thinking...
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One thing is for certain, if McDermott ties his coaching career to Tyrod he will join a long line of failed Bills coaches.
Do you know what "one thing is for certain" means?
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Honestly John, look at it this way
Lets say that TT throws passes on 25 % of 3rd down plays. What value do these "good" stats have when they fail to convert?
Does it really matter that TT has improved his 3rd down passing stats when the bottom line is that the team failed to get a 1st and continue the drive!?
Ummm... the value is that you have a QB doing his part at that particular aspect of the game, which many consider very important.
This twisting and turning of this whole argument from you folks in terms of what a QB is and is not responsible for or should or should not get credit for is really bizarre and inconsistent.
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BBMB Tygod lovers being put down, can't say I'm not enjoying it.
This says a lot about you...
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I see a chance for success. That involves getting an elite QB. Then McDermott will be good enough.
Wow, what an idiotic post.
So I guess John Harbaugh and Tom Coughlin and Pete Carroll aren't good enough because they don't have elite QBs.
So stupid.
Reactionary as ever. Thanks for participating.
*EVASIVE MANEUVERS!!!!*
You could just admit you were wrong, ya know.
Why do people have such a problem doing that?
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He's still the 20th ranked qb of 32.
Not exactly playoff material. On to the next one.
He was the 20th out of 32 in 2016.
What was he in 2015?
The offense will be designed around Tyrod. That offense will not be the best one for developing a pocket passer behind him.
McDermott has publicly stated recently that the reason he kept Taylor was specifically because he fit in really well with the offense they would be running...
so, ummm...
no
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Here you go again with cherry picking stats
Also, in 2015 he was at the bottom of the league with a 37.2% conversion % those 3rd down passes converting for 1st down. In 2016, he improved to 14th in the NFL and improved by more than 3% to 41.5%.
What is the "teams" overall 3rd down converting for 1st down rate? Taylor is also involved in those plays is he not?
Which is why I thought it would be enough.
Are you arguing that the team wasn't successful enough on 3rd down so Taylor's slightly better numbers don't mean anything because he plays a role with the rest of the team?
And if that is what you're arguing (and I can't tell), then wouldn't you also agree that Taylor was a big reason our offense last year was so successful, despite being at the bottom of the league in terms of passing offense?
I honestly can't keep track anymore of who's who in these arguments, but if you claim what you claimed above, then it only makes sense that you also give Taylor a lot of credit for how successful our offense as a whole was and I'd assume you aren't one of those guys saying Taylor just rode on everyone else's backs...
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Saying TT wasn't as sharp as he was in 2015 does not mean that people are saying he sucks.
It's s huge reason people are referred to as "The CoT". You guys need to comprehend this
Ummmm... actually.... FC said exactly that...
But go back to your narrative where you think my argument is that he's going to be our Franchise QB and be in the HOF... you guys just need someone to rag on, apparently.
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Mostly worse across the board then. It's great that he improved in critical situations but I'm reluctant to give him a pass for his play suffering elsewhere and overshadowing that.
Fair enough
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How so? He played worse across the board. Clearly they didn't need him to do what they did in 2015 because they beat that production in 2016 with him being worse.
Hockey analogy. If I'm a crappy goalie and my team wins 50 games, then next year I play even crappier and my team wins 60, would you say I'm a reason we won all those games? No.
No, he was not simply "worse across the board." It's gross exaggerations like that that are just frustrating and lead posters like John to saying there's "Taylor hate." In reality, I don't think John was referring to people hating Taylor the person, more people being "haters," which is very different and more about blind bias and a lack of any objectivity whatsoever. Of course, I could be wrong...
But no, he wasn't "worse across the board." For one, he was significantly better in 2016 in the red zone:
2015- 17/31, 90 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT. Passer Rating of 86.4
2016- 30/50, 240 yards, 11 TDs, 0 INTs. Passer Rating of 111.7
Also, Taylor's passer rating with less than 2 minutes remaining in the half still noticeably improved from 2015 (61.0) to 2016 (85.2). That's a significant improvement. And with 66 passes in 2016 and 53 in 2015, you can't call it a small sample size.
Also, in 2015 he was at the bottom of the league with a 37.2% conversion % those 3rd down passes converting for 1st down. In 2016, he improved to 14th in the NFL and improved by more than 3% to 41.5%.
Those are 3 aspects of Quarterbacking most people would consider pretty important and Taylor improved noticeably in all 3 phases, so again, implying that Taylor just sucked and was lucky that the rest of the team made up for him sucking just isn't right.
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Your argument would hold more water if "drive killing drops" didn't happen all the time to every team in the NFL.
TT had 11 dropped passes in 15 games in 2016. Good for 25th in the league grossly. By drop percentage, he had the 11th lowest in the NFL counting QB's with over 300 attempts.
https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/dropped-passes-by-quarterback/2016/
It's a hard argument to swallow that our WR's were underwhelming in the drop category with the numbers above. Especially when you consider TT's accuracy issues.
That chart is one I see people reference. I'm sorry, but it's really hard to trust those kinds of charts. I remember 2 drops from the New England game alone that were pretty clearly plays the WR simply should have made, but didn't:
2-5-BUF 12(3:59) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass incomplete short left to 85-C.Clay. Through receiver's hands at BUF 15, crossing from middle.
2-24-BUF 30(11:10) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass incomplete deep left to 85-C.Clay (32-D.McCourty) [91-J.Collins]. Receiver and coverage at NE 49.
Both of those were from the 2nd New England game. That was also the game where Brandon Tate had the clear and obvious drop on the medium range throw along the right sideline; that one was actually charted as a drop.
One guy I only found out about last year was a guy named Cian Fahey who worked for Football Outsiders for a while and creates his own QB catalogue every year. He actually charts accurate vs. inaccurate throws for every single NFL QB and even has categories called "failed receptions" and "created receptions." Obviously these would be human eyes watching every single snap from every single NFL QB, but I think it'll be interesting to see some more qualitative comparative data when it comes to some of these QB & WR discussions.
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All of the stats I just listed were 2016 compared to 2015. You're welcome to disagree but the numbers almost across the board and the eye test disagree with you.
TT did enough to not tank the offense. But he still played worse than in 2015.
I actually agree with you about the offense. It was better under Lynn than Roman mainly because it was more about ball control and moving the chains.
Roman's offense had this "all-or-nothing" mentality that got really frustrating. When a team has a 3rd and medium down and the play-design is a shot to the end zone on a relatively consistent basis, something is wrong.
Lynn actually focused on moving the chains and keeping the offense on the field, which was really reflected in the team's 3 and out % and TOP under Lynn (with Taylor) for those 13 games.
Taylor was underwhelming in 2016 compared to 2015, but he actually was an important part of why Lynn's offense was successful in that respect, at least. In 2015 Taylor was near the bottom of the league in terms of 3rd down conversion % on passes on 3rd down while in 2016 he was in the top half of the league. He was also significantly better at executing in the red zone after helping to keep those extended drives alive with those 3rd down conversions.
Scored more. Rushed more. Ran more plays per drive. Scored more points per drive. Had more yards per drive. Had more time per drive. Had less 3 and outs. Had a higher score percentage.
TT sucked. His individual stats all went down. Everyone else played great.
And again Taylor was a reason the team scored more, ran more plays per drive, scored more points per drive, had more yards per drive, had less 3 and outs per drive, and had a higher score percentage.
Saying "TT sucked, Everyone else played great" is incredibly misleading... and wrong.
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Go ahead and believe if you like. Nothing wrong with positive thinking, it just often doesn't have to do with reality. It says more about the believer than the event. In real life, sometimes guys get worse. Other times they get better. The only way to know which is happening is to see what level people find.
Loosely translated:
"I, Thurman#1, am one of those level people. You, John, and those like you who believe Taylor could improve can go on believing what you like, but we 'level-people' are justified in belittling you and your delusional opinions while you can't touch my opinion, because I'm almost certainly right, as I nearly always am."
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How about when you claim "we need WR's who don't drop balls that hit them in the numbers?"
It's really not a stretch. Our WRs were underwhelming in a lot of ways, including dropping very easy NFL catches.
In the Steelers game alone, Woods and Sammy dropped what should have been 3rd down conversions, but were instead drive killing drops on 2 separate drives in the 1st half. Sammy's was ruled a catch but challenged because it was clearly the incorrect call... and even Sammy knew as he went back to the huddle shaking his head.
Clay also dropped a pass that was tipped slightly at the line, but ended up right in his hands and should have been a catch.
All 3 of those passes were the types of passes John was referring to.
I have still images of all 3 of those dropped passes if you want to describe how to upload JPEGs off my computer, otherwise, you can go check yourself or just take my word for it.
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April fools by transplant?
A milenials doesn't know acronyms
SMH
Sorry, but nope. If it's true that the Millennial generation began in 1980, I was born in 81 so I'm right at the beginning.
All my best friends and roommates in college were big Apple guys so they had all the latest technologies.
I refused to own a cell phone until I needed one in 2003 when I started looking for a real job.
I couldn't figure out IIRC
Had to ask also.
I honestly learned what many were through my students...
FML is one I never would have figured out and I wish I didn't know.
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Ahhhh... Rojah!For what it's worth
Learn something new every day...
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Oooohhhh!!!Yeah!...
You're jfh!!! Wow... these damn kids with their twitter talk acronyms! I guess it's sad that I'm a millennial (I think) and I never have a clue what these acronyms are. Took me forever to figure out what SMH is. Still don't have a clue what FWIW is and I seem to see it here a lot.
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I can't wait for you to topple jfh as top Tyrod apologist. It's gonna be tasty.
Til Sept bro.
I wish I knew what jfh was...
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And he sat on the bench most of his rookie year. And injuries derailed a couple other seasons. And he was a clear backup due to age and injuries for several seasons at the end of his career.Vick played 13 seasons btw. I wish you would stop fabricating numbers.
Sad play
And if you count those partial seasons as well, he didn't always suck as you're implying.
Or do you just have a short memory? Or can't use Google?
How many were remotely close to full seasons?
Tyrod Taylor's Highlights
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Why are you bringing politics into a sports message board?
And if you have to quit and this is a bore, quit. But we all know you're a bunch of hot air. I'm new to this message board and even I know you'll just say this and not actually walk away...
Ya know, you talk about everyone else getting emotional when it's pretty clear the whiny way you constantly post your one of the emotional posters on this message board.
You post like a pimple-faced 12 year old sitting in front of his computer at 2:30 AM with a bag of Cheetos and a can of Red Bull.
You might take that personally because you seem pretty emotional, but it's not meant to be personal, simply an observation.