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There's a certain irony to a guy who basically says "I'm going to prove why all the guys who love Tyrod Taylor because of stats and analytics are wrong. Here are my stats and analytics to prove they're wrong." Especially when the system he's created is so flawed. He puts a sack and an INT on virtually equal footing, which is preposterous. Field position is hugely important. So while sacks and INTs may be close to the same in terms of ending drives. One INT will cripple the TEAM significantly more than one sack. One thing about Taylor was that he was one of the best QBs in the NFL in 3rd and long (8+ yards) situations on pass plays in his 3 years in Buffalo, so it seems the 1st or 2nd down sack wasn't actually the "drive-killer" this guy describes them as. Also I guarantee his Yards Per Pass Play is inaccurate because it factors in sack yards lost, but not scramble yards gained. If he factored in those scramble yards gained (he was right around 8 yards per scramble over his 3 years in Buffalo) then his whole perspective on this Yards Per Pass Play, which is a central component of his argument, would naturally shift. This is terrible cherry picking and over compensation on this guy's part. And not that I remotely wanted this thread bumped in any way, but shouldn't this be merged here?

I actually made a suggestion regarding this:

Yes, you're clearly more slowly coming to reality as it relates to Allen than Peterman, though. While I am much lower on Peterman than you and you are much lower on Allen, it's pretty clear that Allen's chances of winning the starting QB job for Week 1 are significantly greater than 10%. It seems to me like typical Thurm setting up something to complain about when Allen inevitably takes some rookie lumps. Peterman ain't starting--at least for more than a few regular season games--unless he seriously and significantly improved his arm... and yes, I saw your thread. Skeptical, to say the least.

But how good does the situation need to be? He'll have an excellent group of RBs, I'd argue highly capable TEs because we all know Clay is very good, I think O'leary is really good and Logan Thomas could be special. WRs I'd argue are largely dependent on a healthy Benjamin, But if he's healthy, they're better than they have been for 2 years because I'm confident at least 2 of the Jones / Reilly / Streater / Kerley / Proehl / Dupree / Clay / Holmes / Ray Ray / Phillips will really step up (I think this might be even more fun as a TC battle to watch than QB) and our WRs improve a good bit. The concerns are the OL. But we didn't have Glenn last year... I don't even know why we really consider him a loss. Dawkins did fine in his place... he should improve. Mills was generally okay last year. That leaves a combination of Bodine /Ducasse/ Groy /Miller essentially on our interior. I actually think there's a good chance that young group is an upgrade rather than a downgrade from last year. I think it's all on Allen. The team is strong enough that he can start. But we're going to see.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000930597/article/kirk-cousins-saquon-barkley-among-10-best-new-additions 10 best new additions RANK 9 Josh Allen, QB, Bills Old team: Wyoming. The seventh overall pick in the draft has tremendous upside and the arm to throw through the elements in Buffalo. When ranking Allen here, I'm looking more at the coaching staff and how they're going to set Allen up to succeed. The rookie has a legit chance to be the first starter of any quarterback in this draft class, and he could turn this franchise around for the long term. But he'll need to be put in the right situations and learn quickly.

Yep, I think McDermott (and Beane) want Allen to earn it. Hell look at what Beane said to Matthew Fairburn of The Athletic regarding the "plan" with Allen: https://theathletic.com/396875/2018/06/18/bills-gm-brandon-beane-josh-allen-quarterbacks/ I can tell you it is not predetermined that he will play ‘X’ number of games. He could play zero or he could play 16 and that’s as real as it is. We have to be fair to the team, so we want to put the guy out there who gives us the best chance to win each Sunday. It doesn’t mean it will play out that way, but we have to make the best decision to do that. So I’m not worried about it. Every team plays their guy when it fits them. That’s our thing. Let’s just follow our plan and give everybody the amount of reps that they need to prove what they can do and let the cream rise to the top. If he plays zero games, then they weren’t meant to be played by him this year. If he plays 16, then that was the plan for us and we’ll see how it went and approach next year. In other words, the plan is for Allen to earn the #1 starting QB job this Summer, but if he doesn't, McCarron or Peterman will earn it and be just fine as momentary stopgaps until Allen is ready, which McBeane still hopes will be sooner rather than later.

I see you're slowly coming around to reality as you're subtly increasing Allen's chances. That's good. You're adjusting. Bravo! Now bump Allen's chances up at least 20% and we can take you a little more serious with these odds. Now that OTAs and Minicamp are done, I'll adjust what I believe are the odds, too. Allen- 52% McCarron- 28% Peterman- 20%

I think the team is largely already rallying behind Allen and his "distinctly 3rd" is largely symbolic, nothing more. I said before OTAs I thought him starting as 3rd string was purely symbolic and that Allen would start getting 1st team reps by minicamp, which he did. Yes, McDermott has said he's going into TC as 3rd, still... but let's see if that lasts more than a few days because the more prolonged this QB competition is (and right now, it's pretty obviously just that), I'd say the odds go up for Allen. Plus, I think if Peterman starts the year especially in Baltimore against that Defense... he might have some deja vu back to the Chargers game, and I'm sure the Ravens would be looking at Peterman's NFL tape and seeing that when he throws, you can jump routes easy, because when he throws, it looks something like this:

I know that soon after Allen was drafted, he was projected by Vegas to start more games his rookie season than any of the other rookies. I think the projection was 10... Also... https://buffalowdown.com/2018/06/18/buffalo-bills-3-reasons-josh-allen-will-start-week-1/amp/ Buffalo Bills: 3 reasons why Josh Allen will start Week 1 1. Peterman’s minicamp success is fool’s gold Admittedly, I was one of the early adopters of the Nathan Peterman bandwagon. I bought in that his strong collegiate numbers at Pitt, cerebral nature (fact: he has an MBA) and hardworking attitude would be an ideal fit for the Bills. Heck, he even beat Deshaun Watson’s powerful Clemson team with a glorious five touchdown, zero interception performance. Upon falling to the Bills as a fifth round steal, the rookie showed flashes of promise in both training camp and preseason. It was only a matter of time that he would supplant ultra-conservative incumbent Tyrod Taylor as the team’s quarterback. Well, we all know what happened Week 11 at the StubHub Center in Carson, CA. ... The concern is that Peterman has shown, albeit in a small sample size, a level of discomfort in game-time situations that is unbecoming of any legitimate starting NFL quarterback. From a historically awful five interception game, to clumsily leaving himself susceptible to a concussion with only one healthy quarterback behind him on the depth chart, to looking like a deer in the headlights when being pressed into action for the team’s first playoff game in 18 years. Peterman has looked shook.

Except Mayfield is not ready, via this report, while Allen has been earning lots of praise from media, teammates and coaches.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/buffalowdown.com/2018/06/18/buffalo-bills-3-reasons-josh-allen-will-start-week-1/amp/ Buffalo Bills: 3 reasons why Josh Allen will start Week 1 1. Peterman’s minicamp success is fool’s gold 2. Allen’s toolkit >>> his competition 3. He is already being endorsed by Bills players

Seems like something most would have said would describe Josh Allen at this point, yet he's still very much competing for the #1 job, unlike Mayfield.

I was joking a bit... I actually think it's almost unfathomable to me that anyone would say Nate Peterman doesn't have the weaker arm. He has one of the weakest NFL arms I've ever seen! Here are their scouting profiles: McCarron: Strengths Well-versed operating a pro-style offense and makes NFL-style progression reads. Is comfortable working from under center and in the gun. Mobile enough to sidestep the first wave. Good field vision, timing and anticipation. Very good short-to-intermediate accuracy (evidenced by a 66.9 percent career completion rate). Throws with accuracy on the move -- good wrist snap. Delivers the ball under duress. Has enough arm strength to fit the ball into spots. Consistent throwing mechanics -- has a smooth stroke. Good caretaker and decision-maker. Mature leader. Smart and articulate. Highly competitive team leader -- holds teammates accountable. Very well-prepared. Directed back-to-back national championship offenses. Weaknesses Surrounded by an NFL-caliber supporting cast with a very good offensive line that provides a lot of time to dissect the field. Does not have a big-time, vertical arm. Average athlete. Makes occasional bone-headed decisions. Heaves the deep ball and forces receivers to make adjustments. Does not drive the deep out. Peterman: Strengths Smooth, quick set-up in pocket. Grips the ball with big, 10-inch hands. Poised in pocket and takes the hit to deliver a completion. Will set-up, slide and then re-set before making his throw. Can cut it loose from off-balance angles from bootleg or play-action if he sees a winning option break open early. Full field reader. Works all the way through his progressions. Shoots glances at safeties to keep them in check. Strong natural accuracy. Able to throw receivers open and lead them away from danger. Can pinpoint passes to moving targets in his intermediate work. Has enough arm to work field side, intermediate throws. Great vision. Sees passing windows before they develop. Throws with outstanding timing and anticipation. Can put the ball on receivers' hands as soon as they come out of a break if coverage dictates it. Utilizes accuracy and anticipation to challenge windows on all three levels. Won at Clemson hanging five touchdown passes on their talented stop unit. Good escapability and can extend drives with his legs. Excellent deep ball accuracy completing 46.2 percent of his deep throws. Weaknesses Inconsistent delivery base causes some throws to sail. Has instances where he short strides and is forced to muscle it to his target. Will float some throws on seams and dig routes. Will have to be mindful to drive the ball on pro level to avoid the ballhawks who are lurking at safety. Has to prove he has enough arm to challenge the same tight windows he did in college. Ball handling a little sluggish in wide receiver screens, hitches and most RPOs (run, pass option). Wants to play hero-ball at times. Needs to learn when to air-mail throw and move to next play rather than trying to get too cute with sideline throws. Can improve overall touch. I think even their scouting profiles are unequal when it comes to arm strength. And then watch Nate And especially this K. Maybe Nate has more athleticism, but he also has a weaker arm and the worst type of mentality to go with a weaker arm... Nate Favre is the perfect nickname for him because he's half of Favre... the problem is he's the half that made Favre the league leading INT thrower, not the league leading TD thrower. If he truly supposedly increased his arm strength by a lot this offseason... awesome, let's roll!!! But he would have had to increase it a good bit. The last pass he threw in a Bills uniform in 2017 exemplifies the primary reason I just don't think Peterman will ever be a viable starter. Just not an NFL arm.

Holy crap!!! Is this actually confirmed?!?! If Peterman has a better arm and is a better athlete than McCarron, I'm utterly confident Allen will start game 1

I remember the play... it summed up Fitz's gunslinger mentality to a T. He called an audible at the line stuck at his own 2 yard line because he saw TO in a one on one and good ole Fitzy's just chucked it up.

http://www.tampabay.com/qbs-sam-darnold-josh-allen-learn-from-greatest-at-us-open-ap_sports0dc7779ebd464a33ad4f1a45390d0a91 Jets fan spots Sam Darnold at U.S. Open, shouts during pro's backswing Sam Darnold and Josh Allen are spending their weekend watching greatness, and for once it's not other football players. They're at Shinnecock Hills for the U.S. Open. Selected in the first round of the 2018 NFL draft — Darnold by the New York Jets, Allen by the Buffalo Bills — the two quarterbacks are headed to the pros but are far from done learning. ... "It's like what me and Sam would do as quarterbacks, evaluating the defense before we snap the ball and trying to get understanding of what they're doing," Allen said. "And that's what they're doing on the course. Before every shot, they're trying to gauge the wind, trying to gauge the distance, and ultimately trying to have the right swing to put the ball where they want." That also includes zoning in on the task and blocking out distractions. ... Allen, who brought his dad — his frequent golfing partner — to Shinnecock Hills, hit 56.3 percent of his passes for 1,812 yards and averaged 164.7 yards per game at Wyoming last year. He went seventh overall. "I love football, so there's nothing that's going to replace that," Allen said. "But golf, it's a second." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2018/6/16/17469940/buffalo-bills-quarterback-competition-dominating-early-headlines-josh-allen-aj-mccarron Buffalo Bills quarterback competition dominating early headlines "If you have two quarterbacks, you really have none.” The old adage regarding quarterback play has been repeated in similar phrasing for many years, and is often thought to be true regardless of the situation. Early on in training camp for the Buffalo Bills, the team has three quarterbacks who are impressing. ... The headliner thus far in camp has been rookie Josh Allen. The Bills first of two first-round draft choices, Allen was selected seventh overall after the Bills executed a series of trade-ups to acquire his services. While many pundits feel that Allen is not ready to start on day one in the NFL, that hasn’t stopped the Wyoming product from showing off the raw talent that led the Bills to make him the third quarterback selected this past April in the NFL Draft. Head coach Sean McDermott said in his press conference prior to practice on Thursday that Allen would remain third on the depth chart heading into training camp. While the rookie may have been playing against other third-string players, he still was impressive, ending minicamp with a long touchdown pass to fellow rookie Austin Proehl. Joe Buscaglia of WKBW notedthat Allen is clearly the most talented quarterback the Bills have, but he will need to show consistency as camp progresses in order to earn more reps. ... In the early going, it appears that the Bills have three quarterbacks who are capable of stepping in and playing in 2018. Hopefully, the early positive returns will carry over into training camp and beyond.

Yep... sure is. Grew up watching the Bills every Sunday with my Dad from the very late 80s throughout the 90s while I was still in school living at home. It was the Sunday ritual of waking up with the family, going out to breakfast, going to Church, coming home, watching pre game stuff, then butterflies for kickoff and dinner right after the game. It was an awesome tradition.

Damn I thought this thread would actually die overnight. @ Stank Nasty it was 11 hours dead... why bump it? Everyone should bother watching the 7 minute interview some of you are so up-in-arms about. He was asked a direct, leading question about the Bills: "You don't get this far without fire. There's gotta be something that burns inside you. How motivated are you to prove that they were wrong to trade you from a playoff team?" And Taylor basically followed that up saying he expects the Bills to make the playoffs. There was nothing vindictive or spiteful--unlike what's happening in this thread--he was just asked a leading question that had a pretty obvious answer to it and was more diplomatic than I think anyone could ever expect. How the hell did some of you expect him to respond to that? Get over it people. Some of you are still so spiteful about Taylor, who's now been gone over 3 months, that you're altering reality.

Shady makes the Pro Bowl again Bills make the playoffs again Josh Allen starts more than 10 games and is at least a ROTY candidate

Shady, are you familiar with the 7 deadly sins? 26CB... keep doing what you're doing... the rest of us appreciate it even if Shady's just

Yes, 100% sure. I looked at Trent's 2009 (the year TO was in Buffalo) game logs just to make sure. He had one 48 yard TD to TO... that was his longest to him.

That was Fitz and it was, from memory only, 98 yards.

No, I didn't. Have a good night though, bro... remind me how guilty I'm NOT of keeping that Tyrod thread on page 1. Look forward to reading it. Oh... I get it... my bad... you're just a Troll...

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