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Soooo... 4 snaps? Link? Here, I'll follow CoC and provide you with a link to the practice where you think he had 4 snaps: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/5-things-we-learned-from-day-1-of-minicamp-20724711 Allen got a series with the first team during an 11-on-11 team segment and for a series during a nine-on-nine segment when two of the defensive linemen are on the field taking a knee and do not rush the passer. In what world does 2 series equal 4 snaps??? And what do the words "som" and "concider" mean? I see you're not ignoring me anymore, so I'll have to give you a big thanks for that, but I look forward to an explanation.

Quick doesn't necessarily mean rash. Naming the starting QB within a week would be rash given how close they are right now. On the other hand, naming the starting QB by preseason game #2 would be quick, but not necessarily rash. After all, the season's already coming up pretty quickly.

I agree that McDermott will likely name his QB pretty quickly. Again, he and Dabol did say multiple times that OTAs and Minicamp were more about a rep chart than depth chart, and considering Allen progressively got more and more reps until the last day of Minicamp, the idea that Allen is so much more behind the eight ball seems a bit misguided. I think we know if Allen's truly in the mix still within the first week of Training Camp. If he's relegated solely or primarily to the 3rd string reps at that point, I think it'll be pretty clear McDermott isn'tfactoring him into the competition.

Well, of course the starting QB for the 3rd preseason game will be the odds favorite to start the season. Right? Yep, Allen is getting less 1st string reps than Peterman or McCarron, but McDermott and Dabol keep on bringing up that OTAs and Minicamp was more a rep chart than a depth chart, and Allen's reps seemed to increase consistently, particularly on the last day of Minicamp. I think Allen's chances of starting week 1 are the same as I thought they were initially simply because of that increase in reps and his incremental improvements thus far. After a week or so of Training Camp, we're going to have a much better idea, but the longer Allen is actually in this QB competition and actually getting #1 reps, the greater I think his chances become of starting week 1. I think McDermott is going to name his week 1 starting QB before game #3 of the preseason.

10 whole snaps??? Geez, talk about a misrepresentation... as though it was a "let's just throw him a bone" attitude that got him snaps with the 1s. Allen got significant time with the 1s through Minicamp, and it was more than just a handful of snaps... day 1: https://www.cover1.net/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-micah-hyde/ Allen played a handful of snaps with the first-team Tuesday, getting a series in 11-on-11 drills and another in nine-on-nine. day 2: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/5-things-we-learned-from-day-2-of-minicamp-20727276 For the second straight day, rookie Josh Allen was rotated in with the ones for a series or two here and there through the course of practice. And then day 3 there simply weren't many 1st string reps at all for any of the QBs because it seemed almost like the 1st team had a bit of a rest day, but even with that, Allen got the Lion's share of reps overall that day and took advantage of it: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/5-things-we-learned-from-day-3-of-minicamp-20731093 He’s had his share of plays in the passing game through the course of the spring, but most of Josh Allen’s more eye-opening passes have been surfacing every so often. On Thursday, Allen delivered quality plays on a more consistent basis. Part of it was due to the fact that he saw the most reps at quarterback with the second and third team units seeing the bulk of the 11-on-11 and 9-on-9 team work in practice. But you can’t fault Allen for taking advantage of the additional reps. It's pretty obvious to anyone who doesn't have his/her head strapped at the beginning of a narrow tunnel faced permanently towards the small light at the end of the tunnel that Allen is very much in the mix for the starting QB job and is pretty significantly ahead of where most thought he'd be. And the kid is constantly and actively learning: “Micah Hyde broke one of my passes up so I went up to him after practice and just asked what he saw,” said Allen. “He said he saw my eyes. So being able to talk to the defense like that and pick up on keys that they’re looking at to help them make plays on the football is valuable. So I’m just trying to learn from all the reps that I get.”

Yep... and not just a veteran, but a veteran who's started bunches of games the way Taylor/Bradford/McCown all have ahead of the rookies their respective teams have drafted in Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold. Allen has that ahead of those guys. I believe it bodes extremely well for Allen that the "talk-of-the-town" in this QB competition is not, in fact, the veteran, but is instead the guy who mere months ago lacked the physical attributes to play starting QB in the NFL for any length of time.

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/06/8e6296d4ed1573/will_buffalo_bills_qb_josh_all.html Will Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen record any starts as rookie? History says yes By the numbers First-round quarterbacks to start in last 20 years: 46-of-55 Top-10 quarterbacks who did not record at least one start as rookies: Jake Locker, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer Based on history, Josh Allen is likely to start at some point as a rookie. In the last 20 seasons, 84 percent of first round quarterbacks have started for their respective teams. Top 10 quarterback selections are even more likely to see the field. The only cases of top 10 picks not starting as rookies were Locker, Rivers and Palmer. The Tennessee Titans, San Diego Chargers and Cincinnati Bengals were all in playoff contention during with veterans starting (Hasselbeck, Brees, Kitna) during those seasons. Buffalo does not have an established veteran on their roster so Allen's odds of starting at some point this season should be seen as very high.

Why? Tyrod has established himself as an NFL starting QB with 3 seasons starting under his belt. And his conservative, protect the football style of play is something I think you'll find historically that NFL coaches love. I remember listening to separate interviews with Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, and when talking about what they said to their QBs--whoever they were--regarding turnovers, it was that "a punt is a good thing." Mayfield is brand new to NFL style offenses. He still has a lot of learning, by his own admission. It says nothing about Mayfield really that he's really far behind a QB who just started 3 seasons and has been in the NFL for 7, going on 8.

Geez, whatever anyone's thoughts might be right now on Taylor, if the QB competition right now results in QB play in McCarron/Peterman/Allen having a 2018 season like Tyrod Taylor's in 2015, I think all will be very happy and will believe we drafted a legit Franchise QB if that QB is Allen or there will be a legit conversation by some questioning whether we really needed to draft Allen if it's Peterman or McCarron. SaviorPeterman is back under a different username with the same ole tricks.

There are actually 3 QBs battling for the job, not 2. And I'll be 100% supportive of whoever is under center for the Bills, despite whatever level of apprehension I might feel about that player. It's good Peterman has been working on arm strength and velocity, because if his arm strength remains the same from his rookie year through the rest of his career, he won't ever be more than a backup.

Obviously all is TBD, but there's no doubt that Allen is very smart and handles himself well. He also operated an NFL style offense at Wyoming. I would say my long term excitement about him largely stems from (and I've said this time and time again) just how much of a late-bloomer he was, and not just physically but also in terms of how late it was he was truly immersed in high-level Football. He played in college, but he was a 3 sport athlete rather than concentrating year-round on learning and honing his skills and knowledge as a QB. He played at a JuCo, so he didn't get a ton there. Then he was at Wyoming where he really was exposed full-steam ahead to the game. I already posted that quote at the top of the page from the Buffalo News article regarding Allen talking about never going to QB camps the way the other prospects did, but I think a couple of these quotes from an interview with Brent Vigen are also telling and respond a bit to what you bring up: https://www.google.com/amp/s/draftwire.usatoday.com/2018/05/07/josh-allen-nfl-draft-bills-wyoming-brent-vigen/amp/ JM: You’ve worked very closely with him for a number of years now. He’s had his fair share of ups and downs as a player. How do you feel he grew during his time at Wyoming? BV: I would say he grew in every which way. When he arrived here, he was about 205 pounds. He was probably still 6-foot-4. He grew physically. That was significant, because he’s about 240 pounds now. He hadn’t really found himself in the weight room before he got to Wyoming. Once he got more comfortable in there, it made a significant impact on his physical ability. Mentally, having played just one season in junior college, that was small-school ball in California. His baseline for what they did wasn’t very significant. His understanding of the game and the nuances of both offense and defense, those ideas in his mind really grew in his time here. I would say maturity-wise, as well, but that’s probably the same for all our guys. You just see them through that phase of life where they mature and start to figure things out. I think it was a great benefit in a lot of ways for Josh coming back for an additional season. I think the biggest thing was maturity. It was about having to deal with the expectations that were placed upon him from the early part of last year. It doesn’t always go as planned, but you learn how to deal with those things. I would say that he grew a tremendous amount physically, mentally and emotionally throughout his three years at Wyoming. JM: At this point in time, which aspects of his game would you say are the most developed? His understanding of a fairly sophisticated offense that we ran at Wyoming is there. There’s not gonna be this dramatic shift for him. He can speak the language. He can recite a play. He can make decisions at the line of scrimmage. These are all things he’s already done. For some kids who go from college to the pros, that’s a transition for them. He is not perfect by any means, but he’s already been exposed to a lot of things. I don’t think the transition is gonna be great as a lot of people out there seem to think.

Yeah I saw that, I'm just skeptical of how much he improved it in thread 4 or 5 months the offseason was. But we shall see.

I think this is an interesting tidbit... pretty good indication of his room to grow: https://buffalonews.com/2018/06/22/josh-allen-says-michael-strahan-give-him-the-best-pre-draft-advice/ The most interesting answer from Allen came when the quarterbacks talked about the rise in personal quarterback coaches and a growing camp circuit. “I never did that growing up,” Allen told host Robert Klemko. “I came from a small town. I didn’t really go the camps. I was too busy playing different sports. … Watching kids grow up and play different sports, allowing them to develop different parts of their athleticism, to me was a big part of my success in college."

As I stated a few times already, if Peterman significantly improved his arm strength, that could be a game changer. But it would have to be a significant improvement. And muscle-mass doesn't necessarily mean he's developed those quick-twitch muscles an NFL QB has in his arm in order to release the ball quickly and with velocity. And if this is just the media watching him throw the ball around to his own teammates in shorts with no threat of being hit and using their own judgement on improved arm strength... well, I'll wait at least til the pads come on to start getting excited. Soooo... you're SaviorPeterman, riiiiight??? His last post was late February. You joined during the draft... actually the day after Josh Allen was drafted was when you became a member. Been to any high level business meetings lately?

So now I started the comparison despite the fact that I was directly responding to the comparison you made while simultaneously claiming you didn't make a comparison that you clearly made??? Man, you bring up straw man arguments I'm supposedly making and go on to make such an ugly one yourself. Manning started his first 4 games of his rookie year, thrown right into the fire and threw 146 passes for 992 yards. He took over for a team that was ranked 19th and 20th in YPG and PPG in 1997, and helped bring them up to 12th and 19th in 1998, precisely as you point out, though conveniently leaving out the team he took over. Yeah, he threw 11 INTs in those 4 games, but this was a bad team (including offense) the previous season coming off a 3-13 campaign and Manning had the arm talent and football smarts to be the most sure-fire Franchise QB to come out in a decade and a half. Peterman had half the season to sit and learn and watch before coming in and throwing a grand total of 49 passes in the 4 games you cite for a whopping 252 yards. His first live action came when the team was already blown the !@#$ out and the other D was in prevent mode. His first start was a sheer and utter historical disaster throwing 5 INTs with a 6th dropped... all in one half. Then he ended the season with this pass to Jalen Ra... I mean, Deonte Thompson: 6 Interceptions in 52 attempts along with getting himself knocked out of another game. A 7th INT that would have likely been a 2nd pick-6 dropped. But the numbers really aren't what bug me the most about Peterman. It's the sheer lack of an NFL arm, and I posted that clip because you can see it there. 2 of his 6 Interceptions (plus the one that the Charger DB dropped) are because of guys knowing the kid doesn't have the arm talent to get it to the sidelines quick enough. This is about physical ability he just doesn't have... or certainly didn't at least last year. And I thought even in the preseason when posters here were praising his play I was here saying his arm looked too weak and that in regular season action defenders could and would pretty easily jump routes. Manning had the physical ability along with the mental makeup from the get-go. While his arm was never a Cannon, it was always considered "good" in his early years by NFL standards. All of that disregards the pretty significant "different era" argument when it comes to how a QB like Manning or Aikman did early on vs QBs today. Back to stats alone, you just don't find QBs who are successful in the NFL start out absolutely sucking right off the bat anymore. Do you? Maybe Goff is the best example because he threw 5 picks in his first 4 games, but he also threw 4 TDs... and again, this was on 136 pass attempts, not 49. That might be the closest example there is... and yet again, it was with the 1st overall pick--a guy with all the tools, physically and mentally. But if, as you claim, Peterman's improved his arm strength, I hope it's by a lot, because that could make him at least interesting. I just have a hard time believing he improved it that significantly in a single offseason.

2017 = Longest Playoff Drought in Sports BROKEN The answer should be yes for any true Bills fan purely for the moment it happened.

1st overall pick with both physical and mental talent regarded as the most can't-miss prospect in a decade and a half with NFL pedigree playing on an absolutely atrocious team throws 1 TD and 3 INTs in a game... game #1 of his rookie year... on a team that finished 3-13 the previous year Vs Late 5th round QB with some mental talent but below average to terrible NFL physical talent with no pedigree coming from a relatively small college program with minor success starts game #9 of his rookie year and throws 5 INTs in a half for a team clinging to a playoff spot Jesus... what a leap. Yeah... you're all Devil's Advocate Thurm, so not really a surprise you'd say you're excited. The appropriate word, if Peterman starts, is anxious... the true definition of that word.

And all 4 of the guys you mention here were good to excellent from the very beginning. None of them threw 5 INTs in their 1st start. Hell, none of them threw 3 INTs in their 1st start. Warner threw 2... but he also threw 3 TDs... so did Bulgaria, without the INTs. Brady and Romo these ZERO INTs in their 1st starts. Peterman had his shot... he epically failed... twice.

Actually I think Kirby's question was a pretty good one. Jeff Tuel was a preseason star, much like Peterman. And he was lauded for a number of similar traits. Then when the regular season came and he faced real NFL teams, he was exposed... but not as exposed as Peterman was against the Chargers and then by Ramsey against the Jags. Why is the Peterman situation so different? It's not like he's loaded with physical ability. Peterman was a late 5th round draft pick for a reason just like Tuel was a UDFA for a reason, right? Your attempt to use preseason as any sort of validation for Peterman is a very empty one: See EJ Manuel Preseason 2015 followed by regular season stinker in London.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/billswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/19/buffalo-bills-adam-schein-nathan-peterman-josh-allen/amp/ CBS Sports host says Nathan Peterman is 'terrible at football,' thinks he'll lose QB competition "I could not believe my eyes this weekend when I saw a report that Nathan Peterman–yeah, Nathan Peterman–who threw five interceptions in the first half of his first NFL start, still in the mix to win the Bills’ starting quarterback job. Wait, what?” Schein said. “I mean, first of all, Mike Rodak, who had this story, is a superb reporter. I have a better chance to start in Week 1 for the Buffalo Bills than Nathan Peterman. It’s not going to happen. Mainly because Nathan Peterman is terrible at football. “Josh Allen? He’s never thrown a pass in the NFL and he’s already better. This is why they traded up and gave up everything to get Josh Allen. Josh Allen is going to be the Week 1 starter. I’ve been saying that for a long time. And by the way, AJ McCarron, and I’m not a big AJ McCarron fan at all you guys know that, but he’s better than Nathan Peterman."

The sheer irrelevance of this post is incredible. Soooo... McCarron? Are you saying you believe McCarron starts week 1?

1) Yep 2) Not when you don't have base-level NFL QB arm strength like Peterman. Rumors are he strengthened his arm in the offseason. Let's hope he did a lot, because otherwise he's never going to have a chance to start more than a handful of games in the NFL as a backup. And Allen is reported to have extremely high Football IQ. 3) I remember Peterman was called "Nate Favre" by Hyde. That, while seemingly intended as praise, to me seemed more like a Freudian slip of an insult, because that's exactly what Peterman seems to be, half of Favre, just not the talented half.

BWAHAHAHA!!! Shady must be in love with me or something What a stalker

I see you aren't ignoring me. Look Shady!!! You're almost at 2,000 rep points! I'm gonna be so proud to be the guy to get you over 2,000 the way I got you over 1,000.

Thanks you know what the rankings were each year? A strip sack is, very simply, a lost fumble. I think Taylor had 2 this year. I guarantee that's not the most in the NFL. It's probably more like average, if not better. But despite the fact that you are being kind of sarcastic and mean, thank you for very much proving my point: There's nothing new to glean from this incredibly flawed and incomplete system. Glad we agree!