transplantbillsfan

Stop trolling you whiny baby.

Can't really disagree with you. I think McDermott needs to defer all QB decisions and trust to Dabol and we should hope Dabol is the genius McCoy claimed him to be. The decision to trade McCarron wouldn't have disturbed me very much if Allen were named starter because, to me, that would have been a coach pumping up both of his young QBs: Allen obviously as the starter but Peterman would be given at least some confidence not having to look over his shoulder at another backup. Trading McCarron and starting Peterman says that McDermott so obviously just can't evaluate QBs. So, yes, that's a bit scary

"The call to go with second-year pro Nathan Peterman, made on Sept. 3, was a fairly close one. The staff gave Josh Allen a preseason start on Aug. 26 as his shot to win the starting job. He didn’t; Peterman, through a strong August, had." Regarding even this, here's the thing... Peterman did look better in the preseason in terms of stats. But he wasn't really making NFL throws and was almost always throwing to his 1st read that he determined pre-snap based on coverages and the passes were no more than 10-15 yards down the field and if they were longer they were to wide open guys on busted coverages, like the TD to O'Leary. And he was STILL consistently throwing at least 1 or 2 blatant interceptions a game even if the D couldn't hold onto the ball. And they were interceptions caused by him and his poor arm strength or poor accuracy, in the case of the 1st Interception. And in that 1st game against Carolina our 1st string OL looked at least competent, if not decent.  They just deteriorated in the Browns and Bengals games.  Whereas Allen was making NFL throws all over the field. Yes, he was making mistakes and had inaccurate passes, but he was also doing things you'd expect out of a seasoned vet. And he always kept his eyes downfield, like on that TD pass in the Browns game. And he took a friggin beating in the Bengals game. But the majority of those sacks were on the OL, not him. But he kept on getting up and kept his poise. There's no humor intended to this statement: he proved he can take a beating. But Allen has also proven he can shrug off defenders in the backfield and elude pressure and isn't afraid to throw the ball away or slide to protect himself.   Silly me for thinking McDermott spent his QB evaluation on preseason games watching game film asking themselves "okay, how does this translate to what this player can and can't do in live game action" rather than looking at the results and statistics of games at 3/4ths speed. That's pretty clearly what other good QB evaluators do as Head Coaches.   I feel like a good evaluator would have seen those consistently almost-intercepted passes still happening in the preseason and would have known the arm strength still isn't there.  Or that all his pre-snap diagnoses can be muddied up by simply disguising blitz packages and coverages the way the Ravens did in week 1. Or that he rarely ever went to his 2nd or 3rd read, which is kinda important to evaluate when it comes to real games. Or that Peterman rarely threw the ball more than 15 yards down the field except to wide open guys.

We'll be drafting 1 or 2 QBs no matter what. We need a backup. As for drafting a QB with our 1st pick--which will NOT be #1 overall-- no

You need only look in the mirror.

Bosa's out... home game helps... 21/31 for 250 yards, 2 passing TDs, 1 INT, 49 yards rushing and 1 rushing Td.

We don't know what or where the offense is now. The offense under Allen hasn't been put on the field yet. We're going to see that Sunday. I have relative confidence our offense is productive Sunday.

McDermott didn't look very far under the hood. That nails it. The truth is that Peterman did look better in the preseason in terms of stats. But he wasn't really making NFL throws and was almost always throwing to his 1st read that he determined pre-snap based on coverages and the passes were no more than 10-15 yards down the field and if they were longer they were to wide open guys on busted coverages, like the TD to O'Leary. And he was STILL consistently throwing at least 1 or 2 blatant interceptions a game even if the D couldn't hold onto the ball. And they were interceptions caused by him and his poor arm strength or poor accuracy, in the case of the 1st Interception. And in that 1st game against Carolina our 1st string OL looked at least competent, if not decent. They just deteriorated in the Browns and Bengals games. Whereas Allen was making NFL throws all over the field. Yes, he was making mistakes and had inaccurate passes, but he was also doing things you'd expect out of a seasoned vet. And he always kept his eyes downfield, like on that TD pass in the Browns game. And he took a friggin beating in the Bengals game. But the majority of those sacks were on the OL, not him. But he kept on getting up and kept his poise. There's no humor intended to this statement: he proved he can take a beating. But Allen has also proven he can shrug off defenders in the backfield and elude pressure and isn't afraid to throw the ball away or slide to protect himself. Silly me for thinking McDermott spent his QB evaluation on preseason games watching game film asking themselves "okay, how does this translate to what this player can and can't do in live game action" rather than looking at the results and statistics of games at 3/4ths speed. That's pretty clearly what other good QB evaluators do as Head Coaches. I feel like a good evaluator would have seen those consistently almost-intercepted passes still happening in the preseason and would have known the arm strength still isn't there. Or that all his pre-snap diagnoses can be muddied up by simply disguising blitz packages and coverages the way the Ravens did in week 1. Or that he rarely ever went to his 2nd or 3rd read, which is kinda important to evaluate when it comes to real games. Or that Peterman rarely threw the ball more than 15 yards down the field except to wide open guys. Maybe McDermott should just defer all QB decisions to Dabol for as long as he's with him. Again, I'm just happy he autocorrects quickly.

I bet on Allen being the starter because I just figured McDermott would have learned the mirage that is Nate Peterman last year. His preseason was fool's gold, just like last season. I just figured McDermott would have actually learned that lesson. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Shame on me for believing McDermott wouldn't go with Picked-off-Peterman again. Exactly.

Now who's trolling? We probably miss those stats because Taylor--who we traded clearly under the assumption that we could laterally move from him at least with either Peterman or McCarron this year--contributed 214 more yards, 2 more TDs, 1 fewer turnover, and well into the doublt digits more 1st downs than the guy we started in week 1 in a game that was NOT a loss. If Taylor's stats on Sunday were putrid, what word do you use to define Peterman's stats? You're utterly pathetic. Peterman became the week 1 starter, but it's pretty clear he didn't have a very firm grip on that position. You can pat yourself on the back for believing he'd be the week 1 starter if you like, but although the coach didn't say it in words, his actions today clearly said: "I was wrong! Preseason fooled me! Josh should have been named the starter!" and the actions of both him and Beane over the last couple weeks have also secondarily basically said.... "Hmmmm… I wish we didn't trade Tyrod."

Kinda funny you're namecalling when you've been just trolling me for months now. Don't be upset, Shady. I know you're a little upset your boy Nate appears to be one of the worst QBs in NFL history, but what's happening is best for the team. I was wrong there. That should make you happy enough. The funny thing is that if fans so desperately wanted Allen to remain on the bench to protect him and let him learn, we never should have traded Taylor. Some of you were/are just too damn emotional to see that. Regardless, Allen wasn't named the starter for the season opener. He was named the starter for the home opener... the 2nd game of the season. Thus, the Allen Era begins!!!

Touche

As another poster earlier in the thread put it... duh

Whoop whoop!!!

You're being too negative after 1 bad game... as long as that 1 bad game gets Allen under center for the rest of the year.

All part of the process guys. McDermott has always known how much Peterman absolutely sucks, but he needs a scapegoat, or perhaps more accurately, he needs something for a below average (In terms of NFL talent) to rally around. Last year the team starts strong then has a string of a few bad losses. Naturally, the QB gets too much credit and too much blame, so to prove a point--it can get much, much worse--he puts in his secret weapon, a QB so abhorrently bad that he merely needs a single half to prove to the fan base that yes, indeed it can get much worse. This summer going into week 1, McDermott and Beane recognized long ago who was the best QB, but instead of keeping and starting the semi-average McCarron and treading water for a few games, maybe getting a win or two and in the process making it perhaps a little more difficult to start the much more talented rookie who will inevitably make plenty of mistakes to start his career, McDermott and Beane decide to suffer immensely immediately so that it can be less time-consuming or controversial of a switch by trading the competent QB and keeping the guy who will force the change himself through his terrible play--and quickly. Now that the entire team and fan base all suffered through that utter incompetence, they will rally behind Allen even more, giving him an even longer leash as he deals with his rookie growing pains. Meanwhile, Beane is working on the phone with teams he spoke with over the Summer about acquiring a cheap (but actually capable) backup QB. Wouldn't it be just friggin awesome if this were true

Nice screen shot. I'm going to come out and say right now that I think our WRs will suddenly get a lot better if they go into every game knowing Allen is throwing to them

Not as the primary reason, but it's an added bonus that it's apparently getting under your skin so much. I don't really understand why it is. But hey... you could always just ignore it the way you're ignoring me.... oh wait Are you just upset because your boy Nasty Nate is just so friggin awful?

The conversation's still relevant. Plus, it's entertaining watching the 2 of you get so annoyed.

I'm not happy Peterman sucked, but I'm not unhappy. Yesterday I wanted one of two things to happen. 1) Win and Peterman looks as "good" as he looked in preseason and shows we can win with him. OR 2) LA Chargers 2.0. I wanted #1 the most because I root for Ws all the time for the Bills, no matter what. And I'll even root for Peterman loud and hard if he's under center next week. But I've thought since I saw him last year in preseason that he just wasn't an NFL starting QB. And this preseason didn't change my mind. All of his great stats in the preseason was just so obviously (to me) manufactured by an offense predicated on very short passes and throws to wide open WRs in busted coverages playing against Defenses that were holding back. The guy is a mirage. Preseason all-star who benefits stats-wise from the things I mentioned above. But nothing about the throws he's making are indicative of an NFL starting QB. I wanted #1, but I'm also content with #2 because Peterman doesn't give us a shot this year. I'm still thinking playoffs. That's never happning with Picked-off-Peterman under center. We have that shot with Allen. So to me, our 2nd best result yesterday happened because now we can rip the band-aid off and give the young rookie a full season minus only 1 game rather than the 3 or 4 or 5 we'd have to suffer through if Peterman were mediocre or just marginally bad. In the end, a blowout Loss doesn't count against us anymore at the end of the year than a 3 point loss, so this Loss could end up preventing 1 or 2 more losses that would have happened on the year if he were still in there. Of course, all of that relies on McDermott making the QB change announcement on Wednesday, which I expect to happen. No, he didn't. He claimed the poll would auto lock. Not much of a reader, eh?

Eh, people are still talking about it. Mods are free to do what they will and lock it down at any point, but I think the fact that so many of us were basing our opinions on who would win the QB competition on who should win the QB competition have some vindication at this point makes this conversation quite relevant as we start our season.

There's no argument now. Peterman is absolutely awful and it's unfortunate that even our coach was deceived by the mirage of preseason production when it was pretty obvious that all that production was manufactured in the most vanilla setting there is.

I didn't listen to his PC and won't bother, but I believe if he were seriously starting Peterman again, he would have announced it today in order to try to let the fire kinda die down all week. Viewing almost anything McDermott says in public as anything other than coachspeak is just kinda funny. When listening to a PC by that guy you need to make sure you're on a very high sodium diet. Waiting for the Wednesday announcement just brings me back to the Trent/JP/Fitz days when we got all those announcements on Wednesday. I'm really going to be shocked at this point if Peterman is still the starter. This is our home opener and I could seriously envision the team getting booed before kickoff if Peterman is the starter. My bigger question isn't who our starting QB is this week, it's what we do about backup QB(s) for the rest of the year.