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What a sweeping generalization of what I said. Did I say I base my vote solely on if the President is a good role model or that anyone should?

Yeah, Sessions said it's too early to know motive, he's not out there spreading this false flag theory: "I don't know. Other than what you might normally expect. He may have been -- he appears to be partisan but that will be determined by the facts as the case goes forward." I see that even here in this thread since news has come out, the crazy conspiracy theory--which was never very likely to begin with and is becoming less and less likely to begin with--is now diverting itself back to a discussion of how we can't blame an entire party for the actions of a single crazy person, which I entirely agree with. But I'm going to go back to the original point I was chastised for: Trump is the President of the United States of America. Despite the suddenly shifted narrative as of him being elected, that is a position where his presentation, demeanor and words matter. "You can be President one day!!!" That's the ultimate goal you throw out there as the highest aspiration for any child. That makes the President a position of power not just in terms of our actions around the world, but as a role model for others. Plenty of Democrats AND Republicans have put out completely inappropriate and sometimes violent statements and images having to do with the other party in the past, but once those guys have taken office, they've taken on that responsibility of being not just the leaders of our country, but also as the ultimate role models... AKA: "I, the President of the USA am a representation of how our youth should speak and act." 45 has been a piss poor President in that respect, and it is having a negative impact on our Country now and could very well sew even more division in upcoming generations as they come of age.

I was called a "!@#$." (I think that's a mean word), "piece of *****" (pretty sure the word blanked out wasn't anything good) and a "dumbass" in just one post by an individual. Yeah, never got that talking Taylor. Political message boards aren't for me.

Who cares? We knew he was a brief rental.

At this point, I'm honestly fine with it. I don't want it to happen, but I'd be fine with it.

Bills still have 2 against the Phins and 2 against the Jets. I don't know why anyone legitimately thought we were bound for the #1 pick.

I'm going to be respectful. I'm informed. Am I the most informed person in the world? Not a chance. I have naught the time--take that statement for whatever you want, but I keep up with current events via much more than mainstream media a helluva lot more than the average Joe and I vote. I keep up with all of my civic duties. I think if you legitimately look at these political conversations like in this thread alone, you can acknowledge that people are just downright mean when they're confronted in the political opposition. It's almost a natural response in today's climate. I don't friggin care who started it, but I don't want to be a part of it. I said I think there should be a 3rd party for a reason. I have a rich and knowledgeable and happy enough life to bring it down with this kinda talk.

I've never ignored anyone on a message board in my life. I also never ventured into PPP. This time one of my posts was moved here from OTW so that's how I ended up here. It's not a place I'll come back to, though. All respect to my fellow Bills fans, even when we disagree politically.

Probably because I don't have time to deal with this pointless discussion. I spend enough time on pointless sports discussion and my life is busy enough with better things.

If you say so.

If that's what he meant by "serious". Okay. Not the way I thought he meant it. Pretty big difference between something that is absolutely and obviously a metaphor and something that people are trying to twist somehow into "it might have been he was joking."

No, that's actually NOT AT ALL what my argument boils down to. It really isn't. It's there for you to find it if you want. PPP is definitely not where I will spend my time, but this half-day venture has been eye-opening.

Defintely not under a rock, just don't have time for pointless political banter where everyone is completely dug in. Why bother? This country needs a 3rd party. It's that simple. And the Green Party and Libertarians sure as hell aren't it. Didn't realize this message board had such an insanely right-hand lean to it, but I guess I should've expected that since WNY is predominantly Red. Have fun with your pack. Look at what he said in the post I responded to and go back to the argument itself. Still not the claim. Not spelling it out. Don't have the time for this pointless political banter. How many brain cells do you have remaining after being dropped on the head a lot as a child? Enjoy your day. PS: Heard Alex Jones was banned from twitter and Facebook... where do you watch him now?

Funny. That wasn't the claim at all. You really do have your head so far up your butt, apparently you can't remember the essence of an argument.

Yikes. The media didn't ignore any of that. What a great example you've provided of how much twitter is ruining our society. Talk about divided times. Just to point to one example, Michelle Obama once said "when they go low, we go high." Obviously a metaphor. Obviously not in relation to physical fights. Obviously tied to dialogue. Eric Holder, very obviously responding to her metaphor and reversing it, said "when they go low, kick them." Also, obviously a metaphor. And frankly, the Democrats biggest downfall politically has been that they've been far more civil and don't get dirty the way Republicans to, in general. There's nothing about anything physical there and everyone who's even remotely informed understood that what he said was a metaphor in response to another metaphor. All of those comparisons in that stupid tweet, besides the fact that they're basically apples to oranges in the types of things being said by our President, are being said by people who are NOT the President of our country.

Do you really not see the difference between the President of the United States of America and some random comedian, journalist, or regular Dude? Apparently because of who currently resides in the Oval Office for the last 2 years, 240 years of precedence over the responsibility and culpability of the gentleman who sits behind the Resolute Desk should be thrown in the toilet and flushed... ?

I have posted thoughts. I've responded. I've asked questions. You throw out childish insults. How about you man up and respond to those specific thoughts and questions. It's interesting that you're the one criticizing people in the OTW thread for talking politics and saying "take it over to PPP!!!" when you're the one who first threw out one of the biggest conspiracy theories that got the conversation rolling and riled up in the first place.

Wow. I see I've struck a nerve.

In other words, you were wrong about one or all of your statements and your ego can't handle the sting of being wrong about anything. Got it. Did you think this was so well stated you had to post it twice? It's actually pretty nutty.

Uh, wow. How exactly did McDermott say the bolded? Sure flips the Summer narrative from the Peterman homers on its head. Guess starting Peterman again will solely be the result of injury. And thank God for that

You're right, Trump is ultimately the symptom of an escalation of the political climate that coincided with Obama's election and the advent of the Smartphone and mass use of Social Media. Once Obama, our 1st African-American President was elected and in his first 2 years fulfilled one of the primary promises he was elected on, the fear mongering of the far right came out in droves, disguising overtly racist comments and unprecedented-throughout-American-history actions as "unintentional" or "just politics." It came largely in the form of the "grass-roots" tea party movement, something Ted Cruz was a big part of. So you're right, Trump is the symptom. Actually, more accurately, he's a secondary infection the way pneumonia is for elderly people after a bout of the flu.

The statement didn't deserve any kind of elaborate response. Obama wasn't perfect, but he did a helluva lot more good than bad for our country. As far as news sources, as long as you're looking at multiple sources and aren't relying solely on one that has been consistently proven to report fallacies, it's fine. NPR, PBS Newshour, BBC World News, Associated Press, etc. Look at your FOX News if you want, too, just as long as you don't rely on it solely the way so many do. That's I assume what Boyst and some others are referring to... statements of protest like "get in their faces" by democratic elected officials. Some have even pointed to Eric Holder's statement of "When they go low, kick them" as a statement to incite violence when it's obviously metaphorical and obviously a response to Michelle Obama's statement. Trump has just directly and bluntly called for violence. Maybe he thought he was being funny and people wouldn't take him seriously, but there's no 2 ways to interpret a statement like "if you do (hurt him), I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it" or "knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees" or "I'll beat the crap out of you" or "I'd like to punch him in the face" or... Our president is just a bully. It's funny because today just happens to be "Unity Day" and, as a teacher, we were all given rubber wristbands to give to our students with the words "Unite for kindness, acceptance, and Aloha." Appropriate given today's events.

Nope. Has yours? Link? No, he was a registered Independent who had apparent views aligned with the far left AND the far right, but closer and closer to the shooting his views appeared to veer pretty far right. Fields was left? White supremacists are left? A White Supremacist at a Unite-the-RIGHT rally is left? You strike me as someone who's intelligent, so I just assume you're trolling at this point.

Who the hell are you talking about right now?

There are violent people on both sides, that much is obvious, but Trump, the President of our country and (frighteningly) the most powerful man in the world, has called for outright violence against those on the other side, praising a guy for bodyslamming a journalist, saying he'd pay legal bills to audience members at rallies who would "knock the crap" out of protestors or saying "I'll defend you in court if you hurt him" when saying to get a protester out of a rally (a man actually did punch a protester at a rally as he was being escorted out a month later) among other things. And he's inciting fearmongering among his more ignorant supporters by saying stupid, negligent stuff like Democrats being "evil" and "too dangerous to govern" and calling the press the "enemy of the people," going so far as to tweet a video of Trump tackling and punching a person with a CNN logo superimposed on his head or saying Obama "founded" ISIS or suggesting that if Clinton were to be elected in 2016 the 2nd amendment folks could take things into their own hands. Not to mention being afraid to just outright and absolutely condemn the White Nationalists in Charlottesville. Our political climate is disgusting at this point, and 45 is responsible for it. Next thing ya know he's going to claim Democrats are too violent and for the country's protection, he's enforcing Martial Law. Ho ly CRAP!!! Yeah, right. It's all Obama's fault. I see you're enjoying your FAUX News.