oldmanfan

I have no idea what you’re trying to get at. Leaders are responsible for their decisions and their actions. Hell, EVERYONE has responsibility for their own decisions. I just said today Cuomo should get voted out because he screwed up. The difference between you and me is that you are so enchanted by a con man you excuse anything he does and you think it’s Ok for him to say he has no responsibility for over 250k people dying in this pandemic.

Because you want to lay off Trump’s failings by bringing up errors made by others? We are having a discussion, and as part of that discussion I have made a point you cannot address. In all seriousness, do you have no concept of personal responsibility? You brought up that Clinton May have not done better. Who the hell cares? She didn’t have the job, Trump did. It was his responsibility and what did he say? I take no responsibility. I fully expect he will go to prison after Jan 20th; the sexual assault allegations as one of many charges that will be proved.

Uh huh. And what about Trump?

Oh it’s just allegations? In his own words on tape he brags about grabbing women by the ####### and they are allegations? Women should not be treated as sexual receptacles by anyone including entertainment hosts or anyone else. Is there any depths that you won’t go to in order to be Trump’s lap dog? He lost the election and you still hold him up like some sort of god.

Also, good for your mom and your wife and daughter. My two daughters and my wife would do the same, probably not let the creep live. There are things guys in my generation did, jokes we told, actions we took, that were flat out wrong as I look back now. We should have known better. We can only now try to lead better lives in the recognition of such. Biden has at least admitted the same. Not Trump. I would hope you are also disgusted by his behavior.

His behavior towards women was wrong. I did things that were wrong back in the day. I would wager all I have you did too. Times change; Biden has admitted he was wrong. Has Trump? See my answer above. And now answer this: what about Trump? Was he wrong to sexually assault women? Pay off porn stars? Grab them by the****? Or do you have a double standard?

Biden has old school approaches with his hugs and stuff that have with time been recognized as wrong and he has admitted he needed to change his ways. Many of my generation have had to do the same. We were wrong. But a far cry from paying off porn stars and such and bragging about sexually abusing women which is what Trump has done. As for voting for Biden, I would have voted for a ham sandwich over Trump. And as for accusing me of being OK with groping women and children, as a father of two daughters here’s my answer: Shove it.

I showed you a document with 45 studies. Read them. And masks don’t “prevent” Covid, they help mitigate spread by absorbing droplets and aerosols which are the prime modes of transmission.

I think Cuomo should lose his office just as Trump has.

He ran for office because he’s a narcissistic con man. And he’s conned you and many others into some bizarre devotion.

The Woodward tape. In his own voice.

I hope we re-establish alliances.

Cuomo screwed up putting back in nursing homes. And again, what they did or did not do have no bearing on what Trump did. His decisions are on him. It is astounding how many people will tie themselves in knots trying to defend a con man. And I’d love to meet you outside the confines of a message board. You act so tough here, but in reality I would guess you’re a sniveling little mama’s boy who acts out his fantasies of being a big guy with a big gun here.

It did not have to ravage our country. Trump lied about it and did not do enough to slow things down. Your false comparisons to other theoretics don’t mean squat. Obama was responsible for his actions in his administration, Trump in his. Should we go go back to Buchanan screwing up slavery to absolve Trump in your eyes? Where does it end? At your job, if you do something wrong is it your responsibility, or is it the fault of the last guy who had the job, or someone who never had the job, or anyone else but yourself? and to throw out another false construct, the millions of people dying was if we had done nothing to prevent disease transmission. Thankfully we had folks like Dr. Birx and Fauci that folks listened to, instead of the Orange one.

I don’t care what Hillary would have done or not done. I do not care what other elected leaders of other countries did. I care what our elected president did and he blew it. These “well, what about so and so” arguments are a better fit in a preschool playground. I will say Operation Warp Spped was a good thing.

And even if you’re right, which I would debate, he will be 20 times better than the current occupant, who only cares about himself and could give a damn about the country.

Again, he didn’t cause the virus but he demonstrated complete incompetence in handling it. Bush didn’t cause 9/11, but he rallied the nation. And then he didn’t cause Hurricane Katrina but completely botched the response. These sophomoric type of responses to try and defend a failed president need to stop. He screwed up, and he’s out. Period.

Biden does not have responsibility for Covid, the pathetic excuse for a President we’ve had for 4 years dies. Biden needs to knock off the silly attempts at humor; no one is in the mood. He wasn’t referring to Covid, he was referring to what he would have done if he disagreed with his boss when he was VP. What more would you like me to say about his statement?

Not everyone is California is wearing a mask, or if they are they are not wearing them consistently or correctly.. I know you live there, but open your eyes. I live in Indiana, and as stated above if I'm out (which I am frequently) there are people refusing to do so. The vast majority of observational studies indicate a difference in infection rates when comparing mask vs. no mask populations. The recent study from Kansas is a good one. Trends in County-Level COVID-19 Incidence in Counties With and Without a Mask Mandate — Kansas, June 1–August 23, 2020 Then you have a ton of lab studies demonstrating that masks will decrease aerosol and droplet transmission which are the main vectors for viral spread. Among the many studies showing this, I like the one from Duke in particular, primarily because it shows the benefit of certain types of masks and highlights which types of more "casual" masks such as the neck gaiters are not very helpful: Low-cost measurement of face mask efficacy for filtering expelled droplets during speech View ORCID ProfileEmma P. Fischer1, View ORCID ProfileMartin C. Fischer2,3,*, View ORCID ProfileDavid Grass2, View ORCID ProfileIsaac Henrion4, View ORCID ProfileWarren S. Warren2,3,5,6 and Eric Westman7 See all authors and affiliations Science Advances 02 Sep 2020: Vol. 6, no. 36, eabd3083 DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abd3083 And of course here is the CDC summary document on the efficacy of masks with 45 peer reviewed references on the effectiveness of masks: Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 Updated Nov. 20, 2020 Masks are not a cure, they are a preventative measure. By combining masks (when you cannot keep proper distancing especially), distancing, and hand washing we can have a huge effect on keeping the virus from finding a host, and without a host it dies out. But stubbornness, ignorance, and what can only be described as a callous disregard for the health of family, friends, and others around us have caused more than 250k fellow citizens to die, with many more having survived but with uncertain future health due to longer lasting effects related to the virus. And the numbers of each continue to grow. All while the current occupant of the White House has abdicated any responsibility (which is not surprising as he stated several months ago he has no responsibility), while the Secretary of State is hosting parties all through the holiday season indoors with crowds and no masks. This using the virus as a political prop is absolutely shameful; the virus does not care about politics.

Two things: 1. Not everyone is wearing masks. Period. Ask anyone who is out in public. For example, I stopped for gas on Ky a month ago. Started going into the store to get a drink, 12 people waiting together in the checkout line side by side, not one mask. I backed out and went in my way. 2. Observational studies show effectiveness of masks, and lab studies show that masks limit droplet and aerosol spread. Google Duke mask study and read it. Or the 45 studies in the CDC document. Oh wait, asking you to read again, aren’t I? Not your strong suit.

Can you imagine these scenarios: Washington As the role model for the president if the new country and having to set the example: I take no responsibility Tyler after the first Presidential death: I take no responsibility Lincoln during the Civil War: I take no responsibility Teddy Roosevelt when trusts were destroying the country: I take no responsibility Wilson having to decide to send troops during WWI: I take no responsibility Franklin Roosevelt during the Depression and WWII: I take no responsibility Truman about the bomb and the Marshall Plan: I take no responsibility Eisenhower through Reagan during the Cold War: I take no responsibility Johnson and racial conflict: I take no responsibility Bush during the Iraq War: I take no responsibility Bush 2 and the reaction to 9/11: I take no responsibility Obama andvthe economic crisis when he entered office: I take no responsibility You can add others I’m sure. Could you imagine before 2016 having a President that would ever say to a national crisis: It’s not my responsibility?

From the article you quoted: Interpretation In this exploratory analysis, low levels of national preparedness, scale of testing and population characteristics were associated with increased national case load and overall mortality. Learn to read. And then go to the CDC and see the review of 45 papers showing a beneficial effect of masks

This has been gone over time and time again. In March Fauci said that to be sure that masks would get to front line workers taking care of patients. 1. I don’t give a damn what other leaders did. I care what ours did. And he lied when he knew about the severity. I am so sick and tired of this weak argument that you should excuse what he did because others did so. 2. China should be held to account. What did the orange baboon do initially? Praised their leader for how forthcoming he was, to try and save his trade deal. 3. He did not immediately enact the DPA, and as a result hospitals were out of supplies. And he disbanded the pandemic task force. And yes Obama should have made sure things were stocked as well. 4. It’s only one case. Then: It’s only 15 cases. Then: It will magically disappear. And so on. He lied. 5. He consistently disagreed with his advisors, most notably on masks. 6. For the American President to say he had no responsibility is perhaps the most disgusting thing ever said by any holder of the office. To say it was cowardly is an understatement. It was a complete abdication of the office. 6. The very minute they knew quarantining was needed the leaders from both parties should have been brought to the White House and a deal brokered to make sure small business was protected not big ones and Jared’s cronies. 7. The day the CDC and the advisory panel recommended masks, that very day, he should have been on TV with a national address wearing one, and telling every citizen it is their patriotic duty to do so. He should have pressured governors like his crony DeSantis to do the same 8. Lead!!!!!! All the above are leadership functions. And he failed spectacularly. And lap dogs like you just worship at his feet. Did you give money to his fund to fight the outcome of the election, because you know that goes into his pockets to pay his debts. We elected a con man, we got what we feared having a con man try to lead through a national crisis that has claimed over 250k lives and counting. And you lap dogs still fall for his crap.

One misguided statement beats 4 years of lying stupidity. Thank God Trump is gone in a few weeks.

No. And the phrase fake news needs to end.