Ok...i hear ya. Why in your opinion is Mayfield better than Rosen? I see them as the top 2 by a large margin. But size n smarts, with laser accuracy, outshines drive, commitment, or any percieved chip imo. Id be happy with either. But if we gotta trade up to 2 to get Rosen, compared with 5 to get Baker, im on the Rosen wagon. Although, it'd be cool as hell to officially change the name of the 12th man to the "Baker's Dozen"?