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So the leaks are back? Not good news.
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I am reliably told by many on this board that the qb interest is a smokescreen, so apparently none of this matters.
Recent history shows our supposed QB interest is more likely a smokescreen than not. I remember us loving Carson Wentz, and having dinner with Garrett Grayson, and before that it was Ryan Nassib as our potential 1st pick. Don't believe anything you hear this time of the offseason.
You can't discount the TDs either, the guy have 50 combined. 50/17 is not a bad ratio, that is +43.
College stats are mostly meaningless anyways. Watson ran a one-read spread offense at Clemson, had inconsistent footwork and inconsistent accuracy/ball placement. Throwing that many interceptions in a college offense is a big red flag. He relied on his athleticism which won't work as well in the NFL. IMO he is a 3rd round project at best. Which means I expect him to get taken in the 2nd.
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Cian Fahey. Analytics expert turned QB "guru". He is training at the school of Cossell ballet dancing.
You have a weird obsession with Cian Fahey. Can't handle a little difference in opinion huh?
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It's not that I don't agree. I'm asking if "he's confident he can do better from 2019 through 2021 as a free agent than under the terms of the his second Bills contract," then why did he sign a deal that locked him up through 2021? Why did he lose the confidence?
You mean last year? What was his other option then? He was coming off one good year. I'm wondering now in retrospect if the plan was always to restructure after 2016 because the cap hits under the old contract don't make sense. The Bills and Tyrod both didn't know what that restructure would look like but both surely knew it was a possibility.
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That's where he already was.
So TT bet on himself, then gave up and took the money, played worse, and then bet on himself again and gave up $10M?
No that's not where he already was. I'm not really sure what you're talking about. It's simple to see if you look at Spotrac:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/
Under the old contract, his base salary was $12 mil this year, and it slowly escalated to $14.5 mil in 2021. He had no negotiating rights under that contract, so $14.5 mil was his maximum gain. By 2021 that's going to be pennies for a starting QB, I'm guessing by then top 15 starters will make about $25 mil annually give or take a couple million.
Where are you confused? I don't understand how you're not seeing our point even if you disagree. He stands to make more money in his current situation. Yes he loses out on $10 million more in guaranteed money or whatever, but that's nothing compared to what he COULD be making if he improves. It isn't so hard to see that Tyrod bet on himself again. If he hadn't signed this extension he would have to go through the same exact motions but with a new team with entirely new coaches and players.
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Dude, professional athletes don't turn away $10 million per year just because. Come back to reality.
From Tyrod's perspective, it's possible that staying on the old contract was giving up FUTURE money. He would have been making like $14 million in 2020 when he could potentially be making $25 million - and if you think that's nuts look at how many QB contracts will be up in that time and keep in mind the salary cap goes up every year. If Tyrod thinks he is a top 15 QB - and we have every indication to believe he does think that - the new contract is better for him. That's what you're ignoring. It's the same reason he gave up more money from Denver to come here.
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Who knows? Nobody does. Right
Name an instance when a 8? year professional athlete whom is yet to make any serious money at his craft left MILLIONS on the table so he could remain with a perennial loser..all while being in the prime of his career.
Informed speculation is always more worthy of a discussion than just throwing out misleading comparisons.
Shaw made a great point a couple pages back and no one bothered to respond back. Tyrod took less money to come to Buffalo in the first place. It is entirely reasonable to believe he did the same thing again, to bet on himself to show the league that he deserves more. It is still true that Tyrod wins the restructure if he improves this year.
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Shaw, rules are broken all the time....all the time. You can't think that an industry of rule breakers are all of a sudden become rule followers because of new rules.
I really think you're being naive Shaw...like excessively naive.
How many schools go on probation for recruiting violations? They see the penalties yet they still violate.
Why did the Chiefs illegally tamper when they saw what happened to the Jets?
I'm not entirely following what Mayock is saying there to be honest. Is he saying agents at the combine are casually asking GMs if they have an interest in their players? He kind of just throws out the phrase "illegal tampering" and doesn't elaborate. I am curious what he means and how far these casual discussions go.
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To add on to what Shaw said, here is what the NFL said about the Maclin punishment when it first came out:
They say the Chiefs cooperated fully and had no prior offenses, but they still took away the 3rd and 6th rounder and levied fines against everyone involved.
So imagine the penalty for talking to Tyrod while still under contract, not even an impending free agent, with no definite plans for him to be gone. How would the Bills feel if they found out that had happened? That would absolutely destroy any standing they had in negotiations. You guys really think this stuff just happens all the time and teams don't care? Who's being naive here?
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Oh, before they didn't play by the rules. Now they do. Did you clue the Pats in on this development?
You're basing your tampering narrative on nothing. There is no evidence at all. There isn't even a report from an insider source claiming this is what happened. It's just you assuming that because Tyrod agreed to a lower guaranteed salary that it MUST also be true that his agent was tampering. That doesn't make sense. You're creating dots to connect. And guess what - it is still true that Tyrod wins and the Bills lose the restructure if he improves this year. I'm sure Tyrod knew as well as anyone his best chance to succeed is to come back to the Bills next year. It's entirely possible - without any tampering at all - that they merely thought through their options and decided the Bills made the most sense, and renegotiating after 2017 would make sense. You can go on believing your narrative but that's all it is, a belief.
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If TT plays to 2015 form, you think he gets more than 5 years, $100M?
On the old contract he would have made no more than about $14 million annually through 2021. I fully expect him to make much more than that if he returns to 2015 levels, yes. He gave up guaranteed money but also opened up the possibility of a better future contract. It's a very simple trade off in my view.
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Revis, in the article as an example was still playing with the Pats....very much under contact.
True but the team was fined... And that was just for the owner making a comment, it wasn't actual tampering like we're talking about. All he said was "I would love for Revis to come back." There was no evidence of agent tampering. If it had been discovered that Revis's agent had been talking to the Jets there would have been a much bigger problem. And sure teams might even be willing to tamper for someone like Revis, but Tyrod? Not even I think teams see him as some savior for their franchise.
This is all complete speculation, and I think a lot it stems from the late season reports that Tyrod was not in our future plans. Well a lot of these late season reports were contradictory and a bunch turned out to be bogus. The truth is we don't know what the Bills plans were and we don't know what kind of discussions they had with Tyrod. We also don't know if his agent was tampering, although I think there is good evidence to believe he wasn't.
And it is still true, I'm saying this for a 3rd time, that Tyrod wins the restructure if he improves this year. I haven't seen anything to suggest I'm wrong on that. That doesn't strike me as a scenario where the Bills had Tyrod cornered, it sounds like a negotiation in good faith where both sides thought a redo on the one-year tryout made sense.
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Key word "free agents." Everyone knows free agents are negotiating before the terms of their contracts are up, teams have a vested interest in looking the other way. It's a different situation when they're under contract.
Here's where you straw man. "Exact hypothetical contract details?" Let's try to be a little less disingenuous, please.
My guess is Tyrod believed he wasn't going to get any more than the Bills we're offering
Lol, I said this exact statement.
Oh, right because those teams that lost draft picks didn't risk it.
:lol:I don't think both sides disagree too much, all I'm saying is no one knows. And that Tyrod could win this restructure, and it's certainly a reasonable belief that both sides thought they were getting a good deal with the restructure. It's a pointless conversation anyways. Let's say you're right. Is it illuminating to me that the Bears and Browns weren't willing to pay Tyrod more than he paid the Bills? Not at all. Teams make dumb mistakes all the time so it's not like other teams' opinions of Tyrod has any material impact on his level of play. I for one thought the Bears would be going after Tyrod, but Glennon changed that which IMO is a big mistake. So we'll see.
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Agents talk to teams constantly. You're being naive if you don't think Tyrod's agent didn't get a good sense of his market value before restructuring the contract. Is that not something Tyrod would want to know?
You're being naive if you think teams will risk draft picks on talking to the agent of a player still under contract, when that player isn't even in their plans. Why would an agent even casually have a conversation with another agent? It's not just the team but the agent himself that can be punished, right? Yeah there are some skeevy ones out there but they're gonna choose their battles. I don't believe for a second there's some underground network of agents constantly talking to each other about their clients under contract. Not to say you don't put feelers out there, of course you do. But the Bills and Tyrod both were in the same boat, they had guesses about what the market would look like and nothing more.
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Teams do this all the time. It's called due dilligence.
Ya'll thinking that TT and his agent had no clue what his value on the open market would be are insane.
Of course he had a clue. But there's a narrative you've built that has his agent slyly talking with other agents, getting exact hypothetical contract details, and then going back to Tyrod to let him know the Bills are as good as it gets. That narrative is nonsense. Teams are not constantly negotiating with players under contract with other teams, I refuse to believe that is happening. The NFL does punish it. My guess is Tyrod believed he wasn't going to get any more than the Bills we're offering and decided to bet on himself another year. Again - if Tyrod plays well this year HE wins the restructure, not the Bills. If he had played well under the old contract they would have had him on the cheap.
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Teams got punished. That must mean it doesn't happen....
You know agents work for multiple players and talk to teams all the time, right? The Jets don't have to call Tyrod through the Bills FO to plant some seeds.
You're talking out both sides of your mouth. If teams are willing to break tampering rules, risking fines and draft picks, just to NEGOTIATE with Taylor... he must be one of the most highly sought QBs in the league. Or do you really think teams cheat on tampering with every single player who's already on contract? Come on. You're filling in the blanks as you want to but the truth is no one knows anything. It makes no sense that teams would break tampering rules to offer LESS MONEY than he was already getting. How does that make any sense?
Thank you Shaw for coming to this forum. I was a little on the fence about this discussion but now I am firmly decided that he can't have been secretly talking to teams, it makes no sense.
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Have you heard of the legal tampering period? TT had a whole day to talk to other teams. If the Browns were gonna give him $10M more than the Bills and the starting job, why would he stay?
He would not be the first player to take less money to stay away from career killing Cleveland, Tony Jefferson for example. My best guess is Tyrod thought Cleveland and Chicago would be interested, once he saw that Chicago was going after Glennon he saw the writing on the wall and realized he would only get more money if he signed with Cleveland. So there was no benefit to moving on from the Bills. He and the Bills both re-rolled the dice. The contract is basically a restart of last year. If he plays well this year Tyrod will come out the winner of the restructure, that is what people forget.
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Shady cared about winning more than anyone on the field last year. Really couldn't care what kind of trash talk he uses on Instagram, and god saying that out loud makes this whole thing sound really dumb.
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Trubisky is my favorite QB in the class. If they want him in the 1st they'll have to trade up and you know what I wouldn't hate it if they really like him. He has good accuracy and makes mostly smart decisions, it's just his experience that's the question.
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Trump is slowly turning into a standard Republican president. Supposedly he is considering cutting ties with Bannon. His "drain the swamp" supporters are jumping ship but the GOP base is bigger than that and they will like the recent moves. Smart move by Trump to get his approval ratings up without much risk. Russia's angry response is just posturing.
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If Tyrod goes down and Yates has to start the season is over anyway. Yates wont do anything but give you a worse draft pick.
And what if Tyrod is injured for just a series or a quarter? What if he's injured for one game against a bad team and our defense has been clicking? This logic makes no sense IMO.
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He isn't in the Bills plans, otherwise it would be like the first EJ off-season where we were spoonfed constant updates on his training regimen.
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no worries Yolo!
I just figured I'd explain the nuance of the post since some were trying to say I was comparing the 2 and further bash the "cot"
unfortunately I know more about Rodgers than I care to with my wife being a bachelorette fanatic. his brother strikes me as kind of a douche and I'm not entirely convinced Rodgers wasn't using Munn as a beard (don't care) so maybe you're right, after his terrible year last year maybe he can improve 😉
So I'm not the only one who thinks Rodgers is secretly gay... good to know. I just have a feeling.
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Our QB depth would immediately be better than last year, I would like the move.
Should the Bills move back in the draft to stockpile picks
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I think everyone near the top of the draft wants to trade down so I doubt we'll be able to. The Browns want to trade down, the 49ers publicly announced they want to trade down. The top pool of players isn't all that great. Probably our best bet is if Mike Williams is still there and a team down a few spots needs a receiver. I think Whaley will trade down if he can but I don't see it happening.