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The more I read the more convinced I am this was our best pick of the draft. I sincerely think Peterman has a better chance of success than any QB taken before him. I feel very comfortable moving forward with Tyrod and Peterman while still being set up well to draft a QB in the 1st next year if needed.Actually, I'm liking this pick more and more - check out his ratings when under pressure:
- He boosted his completion percentage by 9.8 percent on play action passes, the eighth-largest improvement in the class.
- Passing in 2.5 seconds or less: 69.9 percent completion, 18 TD, 3 INT, 124.6 QB rating.
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Anyone that knows you knows that you are the one with the real infatuation.
Crusher - what do you think about Peterman? I like him a lot.
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Eric Galko (@OptimumScouting)
4/30/17, 6:52 AM
BUF interest in Trubisky stemmed from Whaley.
Once McDermott became clear leading voice, he advocated for Tyrod Taylor as the team's QB.
I think Whaley's handling of the QB situation was the last straw for Pegula. McDermott is already doing better - kept our mid-level starter with upside, brought in a mid-round pick with completely different strengths, and set ourselves to grab one in the 1st round next year if we have to. Hard to be mad about that strategy unless you absolutely loved one of the top 3 QBs this year.
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It's funny to me that folks are bitching about the timing of this when the Bills just completed one of their best drafts in years.
Seems to me they timed it perfectly.
If McDermott had taken a bunch of FSU players and a big strong armed QB I would have been mortified. But turns out he was just using Carolina's scouting and most experts agree our draft was great. I love the Peterman pick most of all. I've changed my tune on this. Wasn't a big of Whaley anyways and I still think he should have been fired in January but it is what it is.
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Who's the poster that said firing Whaley after the draft would be "unprecedented?"
Me and I was completely wrong about this happening. It is unprecedented the way it went down, they didn't even go through the "mutual parting of ways" routine like all the others. I already admitted I was wrong last night when it became easy to connect the dots. 4 players we drafted were on Carolina's official visits and not on ours. Obviously McDermott took over at some point in the past couple months and he was using Carolina's scouting for our draft.
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Not sure he would know this, but Jerry Sullivan weeted this;
"False report, Pegula wants to right the ship. Whaley back to scouting and McDermott will handle 53."
Jerry Sullivan is always wrong. Always.
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Nix picked EJ. He said he wouldn't leave until he took his QB.
Nix may have made the final call on the pick but Whaley constantly owned it. He himself said if EJ didn't work out he'd be out of a job. He traded a future 1st round pick for a WR. There is no way you can say Whaley wasn't fully on board with EJ as our starter.
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Whaley was good at pro scouting and below average at drafting, starting with the Sammy Watkins trade. The biggest issue was he hung his career on EJ Manuel, literally said that himself after we drafted him. He then traded a 1st rounder for a WR so he went all in on EJ. Whaley doesn't really excel at anything enough to make up for his poor QB scouting. So I can't say I'll be sad to see him go.
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And the way the NFL works........if they know you did it.......they will drum up some evidence to justify punishing you even if you've properly covered it up.
And frankly, between business partners that's the way it SHOULD be.
If McD f*cked over Jerry Richardson the Pegula's would rightly be pissed.
Well it's already out there so we'll see but I don't see the NFL doing anything. What does Carolina do, whine that we stole the players they wanted to draft? There's no tampering in trading past Carolina to take a player they had on their board. What's McDermott supposed to do, take a vow of silence during the draft because he was with another team while they were scouting players?
Honestly I hated the idea that Whaley would get fired after the draft and it reeked of dysfunction. But knowing that McDermott was apparently just going off of Carolina's scouting I kind of love the move now. I like the high character picks, I think leadership is where it all starts. I don't think McDermott will always be trade happy, he just wanted to make sure he got his players in a draft he had to throw together kind of last minute. He still got himself an additional 1st next year and more QB competition. It makes sense to me.
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You will hear the parting was amicable. Whaley did indeed request to void his contract. That is why he continued on following through with this draft. His reputation remains at stake for other jobs. The scouting staff has been telling anyone that would listen that they were leaving. There's a big disconnect of philosophy between DW and the new coach.
Whaley would have drafted anyone other then a white pocket passing QB.
In the past, when a GM has left a team right after the draft it is always reported as a "mutual parting of ways." I expect this to go the same way.
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Just because he had knowledge of players Carolina was interested in because he worked there recently doesn't mean there was anything nefarious going on. If the Bills wanted a player and he happens to know from his time in the Carolina organization that they like that player too, he's not supposed to take that information into consideration? That's ridiculous.
I'm not trying to say there's necessarily anything nefarious going on, what you say is true. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if he kept in contact with some of the scouts there and maybe some of them will be hired by the Bills next week.
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It would be so absurd if McDermott and personnel people in Carolina pulled any shennanigans wrt Carolina draft info.
It could lead to suspensions to those involved......obviously to lost draft picks the Bills can't afford.......and maybe "The Man-O-Faith" getting fired.
I see the dots........noticed them pretty quick.......but I'm not sure I can believe they'd be that dumb.
Maybe the Bills could just give Carolina Jones and Dawkins and call it even?
Carolina can't prove anything in any case, McDermott was there until January and I doubt their board has changed too much in that time. He would have been familiar with their scouting.
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What sources
Multiple local and national sources. And look at the players we took. Scouted by Carolina. In fact I didn't include Tre'Davious White on my above list and he also visited Carolina. It's extremely obvious who was running the show.
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Mcdermott ran the draft according to sources.
At this point I will be shocked if Beane isn't brought in and Whaley fired by next week. With McDermott mostly calling the shots.
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Dawkins, Jones and Vallejo were all on Carolina's official visits list. Per the Carolina forum. The dots are easy to connect.
Edit: and none of them were on our official visits list
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Things have really changed since McDermott took over. The guys we traded up for didn't visit with us here. They aren't from schools we usually draft from. They supposedly were on Carolina's board and their assistant GM is supposedly coming here. Sounds to me like we threw out the scouting reports our team had and went with what Beane and McDermott knew from their time in Carolina. This is absolutely nuts that this is happening.
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Again:
@4TomMartin: McDermott asked if he had inside knowledge to know to trade up ahead of former team, Carolina, to get an OT.
His response: Well said."
Sounds to me like the rumor about the Carolina asst GM is true. Any history on this guy? Does Carolina draft well?
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My stomach was twisting thinking it could be Kizer too.
Oh Cleveland...just gonna keep Clevelanding...
I just remembered they took Peppers in the 1st too. If the Bills took Peppers in the 1st and Kizer in the 2nd everyone on this board would lose its mind, myself included. And they took the guy that knocked out a woman... They will never stop collecting picks and wasting them.
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@4TomMartin: McDermott asked if he had inside knowledge to know to trade up ahead of former team, Carolina, to get an OT.
His response: Well said."
Well there you have it. Crazy.
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Wow I was wrong wrong wrong, Whaley really will be fired after the draft. Sounds like we really were using Carolina's deaft boaed too. Incredible.
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Our Coach goes on and on about Special Teams, so this is the 2017 version of Tony Steward.
Yay.
It is, in the sense that people are whining about our last 6th round pick like it matters.
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My stomach was twisting thinking it could be Kizer too.
Oh Cleveland...just gonna keep Clevelanding...
You know what if this is how McDermott drafts players i won't be mad if Whaley really is fired next week. These are the types of QBs we should be going for.
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Whaley is absolute garbage, he wouldn't know a good QB if it hit him in the face.
Peterman will be lucky to be even a ok backup and we also have bum cardale, good job moron.
I find it hilarious that like 5 separate people in this thread called you out as bad QB evaluator. Like you're so bad at it that multiple people recognize your username. Maybe find a new hobby.
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I'd rather my QB have to come in and do arm workouts, than have to come in and get all his mechanics reworked. Good pick by the Bills and Whaley never would have made it IMO. I was terrified we would take Kizer.
RD 5, Pick 171: Nathan Peterman (QB) - Pitt
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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That's Brady's scouting report, not Peterman's. I think it was supposed to be a comparison? They do have pretty similar scouting reports.
I saw a rumor on here that Yates will retire from football after training camp and immediately be hired as a QB coach in Buffalo, if I'm remembering correctly. He has connections to Dennison and ran his offense for several years, so it could be true.