HappyDays
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i don't typically identify myself as a liberal. It's just in this forum, I stick out a bit. I find myself defending the left side of things more because I see that the slant is sometimes aggressively right. I'm also not trying to disparage any points of view, just occasionally chiming in as a dissenting voice.
I'm in the same boat as you. When I talk to a liberal I sound conservative, when I talk to a conservative I sound liberal. That makes us good moderates or just contrarians, up to the listener I suppose.
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Unless, of course, we were taking the going rate of backup running backs into context, as I've posted multiple times in this thread.
Backups are getting $3M/year in the NFL now; this is hardly a ground-breaking contract.
Wasn't it pointed out earlier that there's only like 3 teams paying their backups that much? I'll be honest if they had ended up re-signing Gillislee I wouldn't have really cared, I just love how people are freaking out over the backup RB. For all we know the coaches want to bring in a power back because they think it fits the scheme better.
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Guys Whaley isn't getting fired. The draft is in 7 days. He is safe for this year at least, but he's gotta know his seat is very very warm.
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vic carucci said the coaching staff doesn't value MG in the offense as much as the fans. I think they were hoping to get a draft pick with the 5th rd tender, but if no one bit they valued him at what they were going to pay him. A 2nd rd tender would have certainly guaranteed no pick coming their way, they would be stuck paying him 3mill, and only one year plus hurts negotiations for a longer deal. They were trying to do an extension so he would be under contract for more than one year, but don't know the offer. Highly doubt it was 6.4 mil over 2 years.
2nd round tender would have been the worst possible move. It's crazy to me some fans are saying Whaley messed up by not sticking him with the 2nd round tender. Why would we pay one backup RB $3 million?
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Interesting stat, MG converted 3rd/4rth down carries with 5+ yds to go more than any back in the nfl over last two seasons. 14 of 17 such attempts for a ridiculous success rate of over 82%. No one else even close. Not an argument, just a fact to put out there. I think BB probably knows that as well.
That is a pretty interesting stat, thanks for posting. Belichick probably does know that kind of thing too.
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It is very curious that in one of the deepest RB classes in memory, that The Pats would rather overpay for a (admittedly very good) back RB rather than save a few bucks and Draft one. Hell, there will probably be a couple of backs in the 7th Round who could approximate Gillislee's production. As far as wounding us goes, not buying it. They are surrendering a 5th Rounder.
If the reverse were the case, the press would be all over us for overpaying in such a strong Draft class AND giving up a Draft pick, then harping on how The Pats would be laughing all the way to the Draft over it.
And I highly doubt we will match the offer. The brass did not think enough of Gillislee to pay the extra 900k. Why on Earth would they then shell out even more? I get the feeling they are content with getting the Draft pick in a deep class and saving some green.
This is the most accurate post yet
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jwilliams is already a bust? Damn that sucks, so now we need a 2nd and 3rd string rb
Turns out players never improve and become starters. Just ask Mike Gillislee, he was a superstar right out of the gate! Oh wait...
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It's costing us a player, so it's not free. And he had two years of good production.
Hopefully our 5th round pick is more Kyle Williams and less Cyril Richardson, Jonathan Meeks, Jonathan Williams, Tank Carder, Johnny White, Ed Wang, Nic Harris, Alvin Bowen.
We would have had to lose the player anyways. I don't think we ever planned on paying Gillislee $3 million a year or whatever to be our backup. By placing the tender we got something out of it, and it just so happens we took it away from our division rival. Seriously I couldn't care less about Gillislee on the Pats, that doesn't scare me at all. I'll take their 5th rounder. It is a good deal for us.
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No. I wanted him tendered at second. That's staying not leaving.
I will never agree that a backup RB with one year of good production is worth more than an additional draft pick. I'm not a huge Whaley fan but this was played exactly right. We are getting a free 5th round pick. I'll be pissed if we end up matching the offer but I don't expect we will.
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He didn't leave. He got stolen.
So if we had let him leave for nothing you would have been okay with it? I'll take the free 5th rounder from a division rival in exchange for a backup RB. It's insane to me that everyone else wouldn't take the same thing.
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Well for starters he's the best yard per carry running back in the NFL, and the best #2 guy for sure. Secondly, almost every starting RB gets hurt and Shady is no exception. He's not a kid anymore either.
Jonathan Williams hasn't shown much yet. If he becomes our starting runner this season it's a big dropoff for us unless the kid really progresses this year.
Go watch the 2nd Miami game and see how TD Mike kept us in that game and basically won it for us if we had a decent kicker. He was so fast and explosive out there, huge runs when we needed them.
He's worth 2.75 million per year. Whaley won on Groy, lost on Mike G with these low tenders. Maybe it was Overdorf, either way our offense got worse. McDermott has to be pissed.
Swap out "Gillislee" for "Karlos Williams" and "Jon Williams" for "Gillislee," you have an identical argument to what people were saying in 2015. We will be fine. We go through this same song and dance every year. Losing backup RBs in free agency doesn't matter. It won't affect the win/loss column at all. We don't even know what the replacement plan is yet and people are already freaking out, and I guarantee you it's the same people that freaked out about losing Karlos.
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The salary cap and roster limit had no effect on keeping Gillislee. But you knew that.
Gillislee was on the team with Karlos. How was he his replacement?
We replaced Karlos with JWill. And that worked to great success. Moot.
Teams never have their future starters on the roster a year in advance, in FireChan world.
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You could make this argument about 46 Bills. But all those cuts add up.
When Boom Herron was on the field, they "knew we were running?" What?
We didn't replace Karlos. We still have not.
We have a team where the #2 RB probably has the most importance among the league. That's not an ounce of hyperbole. Calling it just a "backup" is not fair.
The Bills are a better team in 2016 with MG as our #2 RB. Period.
Yeah you realize no team keeps all their players, so this post isn't saying anything. Of course the Bills are a better team if they can keep all their players, heck let's add as many as we can! Ah but there is a salary cap and a roster limit. Just stop, this doesn't matter. I'll agree with you if we don't bother replacing him but OF COURSE we will so it's a moot point. We did replace Karlos! We replaced him with Gillislee! I personally think the Karlos skill set fits our team better than the Gillislee skill set anyways, I've always thought the best plan was letting Gillislee go and get a cheaper backup that can bulldoze throigh defensemen after Shady tired them out.
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They were both talented.
CC Reggie Bush
CC Jonathan Williams
CC Boom Herron
CC Boobie Dixon
CC Cierre Wood
All those guys had such great success!
Swing and a miss, these players came onto the field for mop up duty. When they were on the field everyone knew we were running. With Gillislee on the field teams had no clue what we were doing. I don't know why you're bringing up Dixon and Herron and Wood anyways since they were last year when we had Karlos and we easily replaced him... I have no clue how Jon Williams will look from here on out. But Gillislee himself didn't do anything his first couple years in the league.
Just admit you're making a bigger deal out of this than necessary... In your quest to find every possible worst case scenario you have stumbled into an argument about the backup QB. Surely there are more worthwhile concerns this year.
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Gillislee was a nobody, but he may be the next Arian Foster, who quickly became an non-journeyman. Karlos was a talented player with huge character red flags who still got drafted.
I don't think it's the same as "two bums." IMO.
Lol ok he "could be" the next Arian Foster. Let's wait and see. Even if he is the next Arian Foster he isn't worth 40 pages. You can be realistic about this. It's the freaking backup RB. There is no way losing Gillislee is the difference this year. No way.
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He has the vision to see the holes and the wherewithal to set up his blocks to hit the right hole at the right time, and he has the speed and strength to be effective both in short yardage situations and as a home run hitter.
Your analysis is like claiming Peyton Manning just threw to wide open receivers all the time without considering the affect his anticipation and accuracy had on putting the ball where and when the receiver could get open.
Vision to see the wide open holes created for him. That's good. Well anyways if Gillislee is as good as you say he is then Whaley is a genius at finding RBs so what's the concern? Superstar Karlos Williams followed by superstar Mike Gillislee. We'll be fine.
Your comparison to Peyton Manning is ludicrous but I think you know that...
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Yup.
The apologist have an excuse for this one though.
No excuse needed. I would have traded Gillislee for a 7th, let alone a 5th. His skill set is easy to find every single year. I never expected him back and I definitely didn't expect people to care this much. Honestly I think it's just because the Pats took him, same thing that happened with Gilmore.
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Referring to MG as a "backup" is an admission that your argument sucks. You use it to obscure the truth. Most people associate "backup" with a guy who only sees significant playing time if the starter gets hurt. MG sees significant playing time regardless.
So when you try to exploit the readers mental association with the term "backup" in reference to a guy whose role is not similar to that generally thought of in those terms, you're using a rhetorical tool to obscure reality. And if your argument relies on obscuring the truth your argument sucks.
Not at all, backup RBs get more play time than many positions but they are still backup RBs. Karlos Williams was our backup, it isn't "obscuring the truth" to say that.
As an example, Marshawn Lynch had 280 attempts in Seattle in 2014, while Robert Turbin had 74 and Christine Michael had 34. Last year Shady had 234 attempts, while Gillislee had 101 attempts. You would still say Turbin and Michael were the backups. Shady was injured a few times so that's the only reason Gillislee had over 100 attempts.
So yeah, still a backup RB... And still an easily replaceable skill set.
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Good god the run game was not a strength because of Mike Gillislee, no more than it was because of Karlos Williams the year before. Have you people heard of Lesean McCoy? How about Tyrod Taylor? As far as I know they are both returning and fast RBs without any NFL wear and tear will be available this offseason. I am shocked at how many people here and in local media are making a big deal over this.
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Did I miss something last year? Gillislee ran through wide open holes in our offensive line, holes that existed partly because Tyrod and Shady were bigger threats to the run game. He's fast and that's it. I never thought we'd keep him and I'm actually surprised that people care about this one. I even understood Hogan to an extent, don't get this outrage at all though.
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I wonder how Vegas will react, I imagine our wins over/under just fell a few spots, as it always does when the backup RB is out.
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This is becoming a trend - Hogan, Gilmore, Gillislee...
I guess we should take it as a compliment that Belichick thinks so highly of Bills players? friggin dick head.
This is starting to get aggravating though.
I feel like Belichick is almost trolling us at this point...
Maybe he's still pissed off about Rex Ryan talking all that smack? Or Bills fans taking out that billboard mocking Brady? Or shutting them out last year? lol j/k
He just has it out for Buffalo for some reason. Like Tom Brady shouting "REX RYAN" as an audible on MNF. I have no clue what we did to piss him off.
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Last year Waldman had Cardale Jones as his second rated QB, behind Goff and ahead of Wentz. Had Dak as 19th-rated QB.
Oof swing and a miss... I don't really care how good your breakdowns are or whatever if you're that bad at picking QBs, although admittedly it's only been one season to evaluate those rankings.
Fahey might not be off on Vernon Adams by the way, he's played exactly one year in the CFL and NFL teams do notoriously overrate size in QB prospects. Not saying I agree with the 1st round designation but it's early for him yet.
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Sheesh you can like a guy without being 100% sure everyone else is wrong. I promise you people have been just as sure about QBs that were terrible in the NFL. Don't vomit all over yourself if we take a defensive player instead.I could not have said it better my self. I've made many posts over the last few months about having to draft a QB. We could have 20 picks in this draft it would not matter who we got. Unless we get a QB were not going anywhere. So let's stop pretending and let's draft
a QB like Mahomes so we can turn this franchise around. Trubisky is a Rob Johnson want a be. Please I will be physically I'll if we draft that guy. The game changing event will occur if the Bills get Mahomes. He is the next great one.
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