HappyDays
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3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:
Zay Jones better make a big jump.
This is a poor choice of words
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9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I don’t know how any reasonable person can be confident in his group. Beane isn’t even confident; he tried to trade back up for Kirk. It’s a terrible group.
Beane came right out and said we drafted for need in the later rounds. Naturally we drafted 2 WRs with our last picks. It isn't exactly a secret.
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5 hours ago, Buffalo86 said:
DeShaun Watson
Me too. He was much better last year than I would have thought. That being said it was just one year and it ended with a knee injury so the jury is still out.
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I'm bumping this thread because there wasn't much discussion about his Josh Allen report. He had Allen as his #1 QB.
http://nfldraftbible.com/josh-allen-final-exam-with-steve-fairchild/SUMMARY/DRAFT PROJECTION
Allen is an elite talent when it comes to quarterbacks. He has NFL size, as well as very good athletic ability. He plays the game of football with toughness. He will have to learn to slide at the next level. Allen has a big arm with a quick release. These abilities make defenses have to defend the entire field as he can quickly and effortlessly throw the ball anywhere. He can stand in the pocket and continue to process with defenders around him, in addition to being able to escape and create when necessary. His speed is good, as is his ability to throw accurately on the run. Allen is a quarterback that doesn’t have a lot of experience and may have a learning curve when making the jump to the NFL in terms of scheme and situational football. His talent is undeniable and he should be top pick in the first round of the 2018 NFL draft and the first or second quarterback off the board.
The report goes more in depth on each of his traits. Fairchild has been coaching QBs for years so I'd like to think he knows what he's talking about.-
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40 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:
Nah, they're not valid criticisms.
@TheTruthHurts 's response "Not sure if he processes fast enough" is a legit concern. I'm not convinced that it's a huge weakness, but I can see where he's coming from there.
I don't know if it's his processing or what, but there are just way too many instances on the tape where he makes really bizarre and stupid decisions. There are several games where he throws more than 3 interceptable passes in the first half alone. I'm trying to imagine him starting his first NFL game in 4 months and I see a disaster, on the same level as the Peterman game. I don't think he should start this year but everything the Bills say is pointing the other way. IF he starts before week 8 and looks good I'll be the first one to write the Pope asking him to canonize Jordan Palmer and Brian Daboll.
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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I’m not even sure if this is sarcasm? Do the Bills literally bring in every single guy from Carolina?
I hear Jerry Richardson is coming to visit for Russ Brandon's job. He has a lot of hands-on experience.
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Biggest surprise of 2018:
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Another guy with a lot of physical talent that never reached his potential. This is the McDermott archetype for depth players. Also I have to wonder if Shaq Lawson's position is in jeopardy.
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21 minutes ago, White Linen said:
You've concluded he needs to sit most of the year, huh?
So when do you think he'll be ready? Is it one game past the half way point?
What do you need to see from him in practice to allow him to play in a game?
I see this is a sensitive subject for you. I'm not going to ignore what I see on the tape. I don't want Allen starting until proper muscle memory is ingrained. I won't be in his practices or film room so I won't be able to make that decision. The way the Bills are talking about him I think they value his white board skills more than his mechanics. In other words they'll give him the starting job if and when he shows that he grasps the playbook, then they'll let him figure out the other stuff on the job. I don't agree with that philosophy but maybe it will work. When Beane says Allen isn't raw I think he means that Allen comes from a pro style offense and can run one immediately.
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7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:
Leading up to the draft we heard that Allen was working with former NFL quarterback Jordan Palmer, which Allen even mentioned in his initial press conference. His work with Palmer was noticeable in all of the Draft Season events, such as the Senior Bowl, Scouting Combine, and even his Pro Day.
Some of the issues that I highlighted, like his erratic footwork, lack of balance, unnecessary head/eye movement, setting the hallway, and stepping on the midline and tilting and slashing, seemed to be straightened out.
This was definitely good to see. What worries me is that when he's facing NFL defenses at NFL speed he will revert to old habits. There isn't a lot of pressure in the Senior Bowl. It's easier to remember what you've been taught and execute it. The real learning curve comes at the next level. We just have to hope he steadily improves over time and reaches his potential.
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14 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:
He was the only one on the team that could make a play. He made huge plays all year by not throwing it away and throwing it down the field. The offensive line was horrid.
Sure, and that can be developed. He needs to learn when taking a sack or throwing the ball away is better than playing hero ball. I'm like YPP, I watched a lot of film and convinced myself he can be great. The warts are still there though. I think his development will go a lot better if he's given some time in the film room and working on his mechanics before he sees the field.
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Just now, Wayne Arnold said:
Is this supposed to be an example of that? Because all I see is his OLine getting annihilated and him having to run for his life.
Open the tweet, it's the start of a much longer thread of other Josh Allen film. It starts out with a lot of the bad and eventually gets to the really good. Watching this film I came away more convinced that he needs to sit most of this year. A Peterman-esque 5 interception game is definitely possible if he goes in too early.
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3 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:
Not sure if he processes fast enough. Everything seems late. People blame it on other factors, but I don't like doing that.
It is definitely a concern. I went through this thread last night and it shows the bad side of Allen:
Anyone who wants to make a full evaluation of him needs to look at everything, the good and the bad. Obviously that goes for any QB we would have drafted.
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12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
@HappyDays can have this action too same terms.
I like the over 19. Closer to the season I'm in. I'd say $100 to the charity of the winner's choice.
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5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
And in 2013 the Bills offense averaged 21.2 ppg. That's about what in my mind Taylor is worth to the spread if we're being generous, since McCoy was also added in 2014. Suggesting the Browns are going to improve by over 7 points is ludicrous imo.
The step up from Kizer to Tyrod is a lot bigger than the step up from Orton to Tyrod. You're underselling how bad Kizer was last year. He literally threw twice as many interceptions as he threw TDs!! 22 to 11. You have to try to be that bad. His ANY/A was worse than 33 other QBs. His passer rating was ranked last out of all 32 starting QBs and he was actually a full 9 points worse than #31 (for reference a 9 point change in passer rating would bring the 16th rated QB to 27th or to 8th depending on which way the change went). He was so terrible it's crazy. You're going from that to a league average starter, plus adding Gordon and Landry and Nick Chubb for 16 games. And hopefully a better defense that gets off the field more. A TD more per game is not out of the question.
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43 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
That's the point, though. In 2015 the Bills averaged 23.7PPG overall...and 26 PPG when Taylor was out of the lineup injured. He isn't the kind of QB who moves the needle wrt the spread, and neither are any of the guys they picked up. Predicting they improve their scoring offense by more than a TD is ludicrous.
Let's take the large sample size we actually have which is 45 games where Tyrod was the starter. Our average PPG in those games was 22.3. It is absolutely not crazy to say that an offense which added Tyrod, Gordon, and Landry can get to at least 22.3 PPG. If they can't get there, Hue should unquestionably be fired. The big question mark for me is offensive line but it won't be worse than anything we've had in the past 3 seasons.
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2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
All those guys put together MIGHT add 3-4 points to the spread. Never, ever more than a TD.
Kizer threw 22 picks last year. Addition by subtraction. Tyrod, Gordon, Landey, and Chubb should be huge improvements. Of course it is Cleveland so I wouldn't make assumptions about it yet.
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1 minute ago, joesixpack said:
Obviously, he never watched Tyrod Taylor quarterback a football team.
He might have watched him in 2015 and 2016, when the Bills scored more than 22 points per game.
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29 minutes ago, JohnC said:
I was skewered by many here when I said that Peterman would be on the roster this year. I still believe that his value in the long run will be as a backup. A Frank Reich type of qb with a backup role.
28 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:I think it is entirely possible we carry 3 qbs.
At this point it's silly to shoot anything down. For all we know Peterman has been on a strict diet of Popeye's spinach and will have more velocity this year. It's entirely possible that he beats McCarron outright for the #2 spot. The Bills are keeping him around for a reason so it can't be a foregone conclusion that he won't make the team. I know most teams only carry 2 QBs but if there's any team that should carry 3 QBs it's us. There's too many question marks there to give that spot to a special teamer IMO.
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18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
Realistically and honestly he isn’t as raw as EJ or even a Jared Goff
Goff never took a snap under center and played in the most gimmicky offense ever created. Before him no air raid QB has worked out.
EJ was in a FSU offense which cut the field in half for him and only asked him to make half field reads. He was also surrounded by NFL talent
Allen played under center over 40%. Made line calls and audibles at the LoS. Well versed in play action under center and ran an NFL style offense with NFL reads
If he looks like the best QB in camp you need to give it to him
Yeah I guess that's what Beane is talking about. He's used to running a whole field pro style offense. And his throwing motion is already a finished product. They must think that his footwork is his biggest problem and that it is fixable.
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40 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:
Also, the more I look into Allen the more I realize he isn't a finished product. I truly believe that he has not been playing QB long enough nor extensively enough to have cemented bad habits. When people refer to previous QBs saying that they will revert to bad habits "once bullets fly" are typically correct. However, in Josh's case I don't think he has been playing long enough to have formed too many "bad" long term habits.
33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:Josh’s mechanics are already 10x better than they were in 2016.
They have been on a steady incline for a while now... they are not as poor as Mahomes footwork and he has a lot of experience under center
24 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:Essentially, the problem Cover1 describes is that Allen hasn't learned the steps to the dance. Sometimes he's doing the cha-cha when he's supposed to be waltzing. That's a different problem, and an easier problem to correct than being in category 1. Any athlete can learn the dance steps. In fact, teams spend a lot of time teaching that. On most NFL passing plays, the ball is released quickly, and QBs are taught to take precise steps preliminary to the pass. THey're taught which foot takes the first step, how far, etc. Step, step, step, pass. It's all choreographed. Allen can learn that.
Good posts. This is what's keeping me hopeful about him. But then I hear Beane say that Allen isn't raw and I wonder what their plan is.
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This is a great article about Edmunds and his incredibly high ceiling. It has a lot of stills from his college film.
What makes Edmunds special is he has every bit the mobility and range of those smaller linebackers in a bigger package. As one NFC regional scout told NFL.com's Lance Zierlein: "Good luck with your player comp on this one. They don't come like him. I don't think there has ever been a linebacker that has had his size and speed. You're better off comping him with a basketball player."-
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Thanks for posting. I don't know how much I should trust inside info that comes from Rodak, but if true it's pretty interesting that McDermott likes Peterman. He might be more in the conversation for starter than a lot of people think. I don't know what kind of offense we plan on building but I think McCarron/Peterman would run a very different offense from what Allen would run. So we might get a hint as to who the planned starter is depending on the offense we see in training camp and preseason.
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25 minutes ago, BillsFan3434 said:
I know I'm going to come off as a negative-Nelly, and I obviously wish Allen all the good fortune in the world and I hope he leads us to 20 super bowls, but a severely dislike taking quarterbacks with "a high upside but need some work". Wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more quarterbacks than not don't fix the issues and go right back to what they know and their athleticism / second nature when the pocket starts to break down, which this is the NFL so that happens 80% of the time.
I tend to agree with this, and it's what worries me about starting Allen too early. I know we're all excited to see the shiny new toy in action but muscle memory gets harder and harder to erase the longer it is practiced. Allen is way too inconsistent with his footwork to see real NFL action right away. I get that he made strides between the end of the season and the Senior Bowl but he wouldn't be the first QB to regress after a couple months of perceived improvement.
Am I the only one who has confidence in our WR's?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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It must be impossible for college and pro scouts to evaluate WRs. So many of them play with bad QBs. I wonder how these scouts manage to rank them?