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7 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:
yes. any sane person would have kept mccarron if they thought the peterman debacle was remotely possibly week 1. bills screwed the pooch wasting reps on peterman this summer and starting him week 1.
You're making my point for me. They didn't keep McCarron because the plan all along was to hand the reins to Allen when the opportunity presented itself. Peterman played awful and Allen looked pretty good in mop up duty. There's the opportunity. McCarron was never going to take over for Peterman.
And if they wasted reps this summer so did every other team with a 1st round QB. Do you think Tyrod Taylor, Sam Bradford, and Josh McCown were ever thought of as the future of their franchises? I firmly believe in open competition at the QB position until you have an entrenched starter and clearly McDermott does too. Peterman won the competition, period. He was given his opportunity and failed. So now Allen will develop on the field. If Allen becomes a franchise QB no one will care that we started Peterman for a game.
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1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said:
They have appeared to be completely reactionary this year, and its a stretch to think this is some sort of expected contingency out of some elaborate planned out scenarios. They screwed the pooch with Peterman. They accepted that and moved on.
So what are you saying, you don't think it even occurred to McDermott that Peterman could have a meltdown game again? It didn't cross his mind as a possibility that Allen would be starting sooner than later? That's crazy. Of course they were prepared for this.
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1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:
I know. And several veteran posters here, myself included, before the game gave several clear reasons why that was dumb, and all of them came true.
Some of us thought it was a good decision even with the understood risk of a Peterman meltdown. Now Allen's way is cleared. No one will be calling for him to be benched in favor of Peterman. All the pressure is off. We also got an extended look at Peterman and it turns out he's probably not even long-term backup material. It makes no difference that we lost the game. This year isn't about racking up wins.
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7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:
I think whoever lost the competition between Peterman and McCarron were getting traded.
Very few NFL teams keep 3 guys and we were going to be no different. I don't think Allen has much to do with anything.
If Allen was ready, he's have started last week.
Everything I know about McDermott tells me he thinks through every possible scenario. He knew Allen was one injury or bad game away from starting. If they didn't think he was ready they would have kept a 3rd QB. Peterman won the competition but he was never going to start the whole year unless he took the league by storm. I don't think they wanted to start Allen this early if they could avoid it but they aren't blowing up their plan.
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4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:
No self respecting veteran QB is signing with us as a realistic option to start for at least 3-4 weeks.
We took a risk only keeping two QBs on the roster, with a combined 2 professional starts under their belt and it appears to have backfired.
They knew the risk. They traded McCarron because they think Allen is ready. Whether that's true or not we will find out starting this Sunday.
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12 minutes ago, VW82 said:
4. Touch. Everyone killed Benjamin for that dropped TD but that was at least partially on Allen. He has a tendency to throw everything 100 mph, and in that instance there was no need to gas it like that. The window wasn't that tight. We've seen him do this a bunch already over the course of preseason.
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8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
Lmao. He absolutely is better than Peterman.
Yes that's why I said "not much better" than Peterman. He looked just as bad in preseason game 4 to be fair. But either way the 5th round pick we got for him is worth more than him being on the roster. If we want a vet QB there are still a few out there. It makes no difference if it's Matt Moore or Derek Anderson or whoever.
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2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
If they had even a McCarron they could have brought Allen along slower. They don't have that luxury.
They do have that luxury. They could sign Matt Moore right now. The fact that they haven't means they think Allen is ready right now. I can't believe people are questioning the McCarron trade. He isn't much better than Peterman. It's shocking we got a 5th rounder for him and nothing he brought to this team is worth more than that.
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2 hours ago, Fadingpain said:
I guess Josh Allen suddenly went from "not ready" to "ready" in 72 hours, mostly because Nate Peterman sucks.
McD doesn't have a F-ing clue.
At what point did McDermott say Allen wasn't ready to start? The decision to start Peterman was two-fold. First McDermott declared an open competition and Peterman looked the best throughout training camp and preseason. He clearly won that competition. Second it is much safer to start Peterman first because if he looks bad you can make the switch to Allen no problem. If they didn't feel Allen was ready they would have signed Matt Moore by now. I suspect their plan all along was to let Peterman play the first 3-4 games but he was so bad in Baltimore they're changing it up earlier than planned. The plan is exactly the same as it was, just a little ahead of schedule.
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2 hours ago, ngbills said:
McDermott said, when asked if he regretted starting Peterman against the Ravens. "I felt like that was the right move and I'll take that to my grave."
It was the right move. Transitioning from Peterman to Allen is easy. No one can question it. Doing it the other way around would be impossible. No matter how much Allen struggles no one will be calling for Peterman to take over. If Allen ends up good no one will care about the decision to start Peterman in the first game of Allen's rookie season. No one is still talking about Tom Savage.
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2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:
In the 6-15 stat line one of those incompletions was a play that 98-100 NFL quarterbacks get sacked on. It was absolutely outrageous that he escaped the sack and threw the ball away for an Incompletion.
Yeah Allen will be fine. I didn't know if his balance would translate from college to the NFL. But once Terrell Suggs ran into him at full speed and he didn't go down that question was answered.
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10 hours ago, Virgil said:
It kinda sucks that we could pick top 5 and so far there isn’t a game changing talent. People keep saying Bosa or Oliver, but I would hate to see us keep spending picks on defense when we have so many holes on offense.
I hope Allen shows enough to be the guy and there’s a RB or WR that just blows everyone away.
The bust rate for top 10 WRs is way too high.
And we're likely to have the #1 overall pick. Next year's class has elite pass rushing talent so that's what we should draft.
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They gave him a higher grade than they gave Sam Darnold FWIW.
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11 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:
Unless there is a Myles Garrett there, then take Myles Garrett. He has been an absolute terror this year so far, unblockable in preseason, and in the Steelers game not much more blockable. He is getting by LTs effortlessly. I don't know squat about the 2019 draft but if I see one of those...I want!
Nick Bosa is a better prospect than Myles Garrett. I'm usually all for trading down but if we can take Bosa we have to.
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Tyreek Hill is a top 5 WR.
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7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
It's so dumb.
I'm old enough to remember our fans chasing Marrone out of town after his 2nd sesson and laughing all the way. Apparently anyone could have taken a team led by EJ Manuel and Kyle Orton to 9-7. And did you know he had nothing to do with the defense? Sure his next team has arguably the best defense in the league and he took them to the AFC Championship with Blake Bortles as his QB, and the next guy that took over here ruined the defense, but the fans know best.
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1 hour ago, donbb said:
The Jets will have more. The Jets also seem to be able to identify talent in the trenches which the Bills do not.
Their GM and head coach just entered their 4th season together. Amazing what a little continuity can do. There are folks here ready to fire McDermott and Beane after the first game of their 2nd season.
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9 hours ago, PaulieYayo said:
Why? This FO is terrible with draft capital
Uh I couldn't disagree more. Our picks in rounds 1-3 have been White, Jones, Dawkins, Allen, Edmunds, and Phillips. The only outright bust in that group is Jones. We also found Milano in the 5th round. I guess you could include the 3rd rounder for Benjamin as a bad use of draft capital. But 5 out of 7 top picks have looked good. And we got White after trading down into the 20s which is even more impressive.
1 hour ago, Foxx said:if indeed we get the number 1 pick, it would be nice if we found out whether or not Allen is going to be our franchise qb. that knowledge could potentially impact what we do with our draft position.
We aren't taking a QB in the 1st round next year regardless of what he does this year. This regime's future is tied to Allen. We should undoubtedly take Bosa or Oliver next year so we can finally generate a pass rush.
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On 9/9/2018 at 8:49 PM, Jay_Fixit said:
Yep. Tyreek can make even marginal QB’s look good.
There were people on this board who thought Sammy Watkins would be their #1 receiver
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The Rams looking underwhelming after an offseason of insane hype is the most predictable thing to happen this year.
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Yeah add the Lions to the list. I guess the upside is if we can get to #2 and the Cards or Lions get the #1 overall they could trade down to a team looking for a QB which means Bosa is still in play.
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9 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
Patricia looks puzzled.
You mean to tell me a Patriots coordinator isn't working out as a head coach?
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20 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:
And saying Zay is a bust is just not fair. He's played one year! Give him some time to grow.
Eh this has been said about a ton of Bills players over the past 20 years. I can't remember a single one that suddenly became good. But that's what I mean, all their other top draft choices look like they belong in the NFL. We don't have to make excuses for White, Dawkins, Allen, Edmunds, or Phillips. Of course any one of them could still turn out to be a bust, most of all Allen, but it isn't like other regimes where we spent entire offseasons arguing about rookies looking terrible. Zay Jones is their only pick out of 6 that looks like he doesn't belong on the field.
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8 minutes ago, Idandria said:
We’ve played 1 game. Give it at least a few more to see where we stand regarding the draft.
But yea, I know, the sky is falling.
I don't mean this thread to be pessimistic. On the contrary I am hoping we end up with the #1 overall pick.
SI.com: Why Peterman started Wk 1, Why Allen is starting now, and Why Tyrod was never coming back
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Of course the plan all along was to let Allen take over. That's why they traded McCarron. They think Allen is ready to start now. Who cares about one loss in a season with zero chance at a Super Bowl. Bills fans are so reactionary.
Star was good on Sunday. The Ravens couldn't get a consistent run game going. Star takes up blockers and allows the LBs to be aggressive. He's doing exactly what they're paying him to do.
What is the fiasco? We lost a game? Who cares. We're not going to win a lot of games this year. They declared an open QB competition and some people here didn't want to believe it was really open. Peterman won the open competition, then utterly failed in a real game. Now Allen has his opportunity to learn on the field. You only have to hit on a QB once. If Allen ends up our franchise QB no one will care 5 years from now that they incorrectly judged Peterman as a viable bridge starter.