HappyDays
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They're definitely ready to take a shot next year. They collected an extra 1st for a reason. IMO the Chiefs didn't improve much this offseason, and they have a tough schedule, so I expect their pick to be in the mid-range, around 16 or so. If Tyrod shows he's not the answer we won't win all that many games anyways, maybe pick around 10 or so. We could trade the farm - 3 1sts in 2018 and 2019 along with multiple other lower round picks - to move up and select one of the top QBs. It's supposed to be a great draft year for QBs. And they took Peterman this year, and still have Cardale. We are fine at QB for now. Even if Tyrod fails we have plenty to fall back on. At least the Bills are finally taking QBs every year and gaining 1st round picks instead of trading them away. The more competition the better until someone steps up.It will.
Edit: maybe they stumbled across something with Peterman. Who knows? But if their plan for 2017 is Tyord they better plan on taking a shot in 2018.
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His worst one, by far, was a weakly thrown WR screen that should have been a pick six but was just broken up as an incompletion. He threw some jump balls that were very bad passes. Gunned a few from four yards away. Missed open recievers 15 yards downfield and one or two longer ones. And again, he made some great throws. It was his best game.
Your opinion is more than fair, at this point we'll have to wait and see what happens. He's far from a perfect prospect but I think he has the tools to take his game to the next level. I think worst case scenario you have a Ryan Fitzpatrick type and that's a good find in the 5th round.
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He made some great throws and plays. It was his best game ever! He also made a dozen terrible throws and several horrible plays. Some of his incompletions were great throws and some of his completions were bad throws. He made a lot of bad throws and a lot of nifty ones. Watching it, I would never say this screams NFL QB though. At all. Watch it. It's every pass play, including ones he ran on, some of which were very nice.
I came away from that video more impressed. I didn't see the dozen terrible throws that you saw. I counted maybe 5 bad throws and his worst one was definitely a deep ball that he threw a duck on. But I also saw Clemson consistently hitting him with pressure and he never backed down. Peterman knows how to step up in the pocket and he throws to covered receivers multiple times. Real NFL receivers will fight for the ball on some of those. I came away from the video wondering why Mahomes can get away with absolutely horrible throws and decisions, while this kid fell to the 5th round. He doesn't shy away from pressure and he's very accurate. Smart too, isn't going to take a lot of unnecessary sacks in the NFL.
Thanks for posting the video.
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Anybody watch PTI? They did a segment called "what are the bills doing?" But the place I was at didn't have the sound on. Wondering what they said.
They blasted the Pegulas, called Terry a new owner trying to come in guns a blazing. It was an awful segment and you missed nothing.
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Recency bias. Fans remember the last game they saw. That Miami D had street FA's playing in the back 7.
So did our receiving corps. And you still have a Chiefs player as your avatar.
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Agreed about Peterman's arm: http://blogs.ourlads.com/2017/03/16/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/ .
But check out Watson. Pretty grim. Maybe he overcomes it, but it's a warning sign ...
I can't believe Watson was taken in the 1st. He screams NFL bust to me. Another Vince Young or Tim Tebow.
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Can someone explain to me why, if what everyone everywhere seems to be saying, that he has all of these essential QB skills, the guy fell in the draft, and wasn't a first round pick? Everyone says he has great accuracy, leadership, anticipation, mobility, size, etc. There is only one answer to that. Popgun arm.
It is not enough to say "Most NFL executives thought he wasn't worth picking so he sucks." My opinion of talent evaluators in the NFL couldn't be much lower than it already is. The Bears paid Mike Glennon a big contract and Brock Osweiler got a big contract. Meanwhile players like Carr and Wilson and Prescott fall down the board. I really don't know why Peterman fell as far as he did but NFL executives overexaggerate the importance of arm strength and size all the time so I'm guessing that's a good reason why.
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My son is friends with him. They shared all their business classes at ECU and were always put together for group projects. He says he's a great guy and very focused on football. Not so much on his business classes...
I had a friend at UB who was in a Spanish class with Khalil Mack. At one point in the semester he turned to my friend before the professor showed up and said "so what's going on in this class right now." I don't think these athletes give a crap about class and why should they?
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Thanks for posting the data Transplant, and for reminding me I need to pick up that catalogue.
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Tbh the one thing that puzzles me is that we picked him with our 2nd 5th rounder. Hard to believe that they valued/feared losing Milano more than Peterman.
Funny coincidence because the Pats took a player before Brady in the 6th round.
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This mindset is so stupid to me. You can't find a QB if you don't try to get one. GMs from all teams try - and fail more times than they succeed. Look around the league. Look at the history of the position.
Or ... you know ... just say something stupid that makes no effing sense. That's a lot easier, isn't it.
EJ was widely seen as unlikely to ever make it and a huge reach in the 1st round. But picking him wasn't Whaley's worst sin, it was continually standing by him even after it was painfully obvious he was not the answer. He didn't draft another QB as competition until Cardale Jones in the 4th round three years after the fact. He traded away a future 1st round pick for a WR in a draft that had two top 10 WRs drafted lower in Evans and Beckham. That same year Bridgewater and Carr were drafted too. On top of his draft problems, he has badly mismanaged the cap which left us paying more into our cap than some teams that have more talent than us.
I mean really, what was Whaley's big claim to fame here? Ronald Darby was probably the best draft pick he had in his time here. It's a good pick but that was the pinnacle of what he did and the rest of his drafting leaves much to be desired. He was good at pro scouting but that isn't enough to be the GM. I didn't hate Whaley but I'm also not upset to see him go. We can do better.
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Does it even matter if Whaley made the final call on EJ? Either way he went out of his way to stand by him. Trading a future 1st rounder for a WR alone should be enough evidence of that. You don't trade a future 1st for ANY position unless you're getting a QB or you already have a QB in place. He also didn't draft any new QBs until last year and his choice was a major project in Cardale Jones. How can anyone defend Whaley's QB record?
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Hard to care about UDFAs but I'm glad we got the punter Rehkow. Here's a cool story about him:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/nov/09/vandals-kicker-austin-rehkow-works-to-make-family-/
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interesting on Yates if true. Our QB coach is a longtime NFL WR coach and could see Yates being his assistant.
Normally I wouldn't trust rumors but rumors on here have a tendency to come true.
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There are a few examples, not many, of players whose arm strength noticeably increased over the years. Brady had decent arm strength (low end but just good enough) when he started. Over the years he got significantly stronger. Now he can gun it anywhere. Not a lot of examples of that.
The old scouting reports I've seen on Brady are that his arm strength was way too weak to make it in the NFL. I think you're reaching here if you think Brady's arm strength was good enough coming out of college. Again - not trying to say Peterman will definitely correct his issues but I sure feel better about that happening than I would with some of the issues these other QBs have.
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The knock on them both was they didn't have the requisite arm strength. And it's showed to be their downfall since before they got into the league. Guys like that are terrible for your team because they will look good in camp and in preseason which is not played at regular season speed. So they are total teases.
If anything causes Peterman to fail it will probably be his arm strength. I'm just saying I think it's easily the most correctable weakness out of them all. Teams get hypnotized by a guy Mahomes because he has a cannon and they convince themselves his mechanics can be rebuilt from scratch. Spending a 1st rounder (2 1st rounders actually)?on that is IMO tremendously dumber than spending a 5th round pick on someone whose biggest knock is something that can be fixed with reps in the gym.
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They both had more than adequate arms. Gannon had a pretty good one. Easily far better than what I have seen from Peterman, who seems to be in the Colt McCoy, Kellen Moore category.
What was their arm strength like coming out of college? There is no comparison to NFL weight training programs. I'd rather my QB be lifting dumbbells than learning what a 3 step drop is and how to plant his feet.
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The point was that you can win without your best players against really bad teams. If the Bills had beaten some good teams without Shady, that would hold more water.
I thought the point was that without Shady McCoy the Bills are a 2 win team, which is patently false. Sounds like you're trying to read between lines that aren't there. I for one am skipping my record prediction this year. I have no idea what to expect other than I am 99% sure we win at least 6 games. We're not bottom tier, Shady or no.
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Greg Gabriel loves Peterman and doesn't think arm strength is an issue, FWIW:
Nate Peterman will become a starting QB in Buffalo. He's this years Kirk Cousins
- most QB's improve their arm strength when they get to NFL. Product of developing the right muscles in an NFL wgt program
- including Brees, Brady and P. Manning
yes by his 2nd year (he will be a great starter)
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everyone hears a few scouts say his arm is a little bit below average or not as big as some of the other QBs in the draft and they go all crazy. His arm is as strong as many of the starters already in the national football league. Watch his games, he can throw the deep ball just fine. Stop overreacting to everything you hear in the media.
People pay too much attention to combine stats or how fast he can throw the ball. I'll take in-game production every time. Peterman won't be the next Roethlisberger or Newton, but he has a decent chance at being a Kirk Cousins type. Tom Brady sure didn't let his below average arm strength affect his career.
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That's like all our wins in Rex's time here, it has nothing to do with McCoy. And either way it's still true that the Bills would have won more than 2 games without McCoy so his point was still ridiculous. It's possible to dislike Tyrod without going overboard in the other direction.Only 1 of those wins was against a team with more than 4 wins: the Jets season ender in 2015.
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I believe the word you are looking for is sober. I'd love it if he's sober. Id not be a fan if he's doing another run at moderation.
I trust Washington's front office less than any other front office. I believe they threw him under the bus. He is a respected talent evaluator across the league.
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We are 3-2 in games McCoy didn't play in at all over the course of Tyrod's time here. Maybe rethink this one.He didn't lead anyone to anything. Without McCoy, we win 2 games, tops.
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I'll feel better about this if it comes out at some point that McD ran this draft.
No doubt McDermott ran it all as multiple sources have been saying for months. Even if you don't believe the sources, the proof is in the pudding. White, Jones, Dawkins, and Vallejo were all on Carolina'a official visits list pre-draft. None of them were on our visits list. We didn't draft any players from FSU or our other favorite schools. That alone tells you Whaley wasn't running things.
Mel Kiper grades Bills as top 5 draft
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Mahomes is just a better version of Cardale Jones. Same strengths and weaknesses, it's just his strengths are better. He will be a long-term project like EJ was and the last time a QB like that won the Super Bowl was Aaron Rodgers who had much better mechanics coming out of college. I don't think we have to worry about Mahomes winning a Super Bowl. He's a real long shot to ever be a capable starter.