jrober38

You don't get CTE overnight. It's a degenerative brain disease that some athletes in high school display symptoms of. Think of how many hits to the head he's taken over the past 20 years. Probably tens of thousands.

I'd bet my life savings on him having an advanced case of CTE. The guy's brain clearly isn't functioning properly and it will only continue to get worse.

That's the rub - guys don't improve their accuracy in the NFL in a meaningful way. Doesn't matter how hard a guy works off the field, once the bullets are real and defenders are actually trying to tackle him and intercept his passes, they all revert back to the inaccurate tendencies on film in college. Jordan Palmer literally said all the same things about Christian Hackenberg as he's said about Josh Allen. All the talk meant nothing in the past, so I don't get why anyone is supposed to believe Palmer this time around. Until Allen actually proves that he has the accuracy required to thrive in the NFL, all this stuff from "QB gurus" is just talk.

Allen has a bigger arm, otherwise they're essentially the same guy. Same size and same mobility. Both have good intangibles off the field. Allen is a bit thicker. Jordan Palmer said Hackenberg could fix his accuracy in the lead up to the 2016 draft, but he hasn't and will likely be out of the NFL by the end of the summer.

Jordan Palmer said the exact same things about Chrisitian Hackenberg 2 years ago, and he's been terrible as a pro football player.

You need to put down the Kool Aide and stop making excuses for the guy. His college stats sucked. Hopefully he gets better in the NFL and bucks the glaring trend that guys like him rarely succeed at the pro level.

If you just look at the names since 2000, it's a really sorry list of quarterbacks. This list does nothing to convince me Allen was the right pick. All this does is show me how rare it is to find a franchise QB who didn't complete more than 59% of their throws in college.

Yikes. I remember 2 years ago people telling me how awful Penn States' team was and how it wasn't Hackenberg's fault his stats weren't better. I also remember people saying Bill O'Brien screwed him over after leaving him his first year. At that time, James Franklin was a nobody on the college football landscape. They're both 6'4-6'5 with 4.8 speed. Allen has a bigger arm, but Hackenberg also had a "big arm". I don't put any stock in #4. Like Allen, Hackenberg worked the predraft process. He was over drafted due to his "potential" and the hope his accuracy problems can be fixed, and the result is he'll be out of the NFL as of sometime this summer.

In what way?

Everything I've read over the past couple weeks tells me there's no difference between Josh Allen and Christian Hackenberg, who just announced he's about to completely rebuild his mechanics this offseason as he goes into his THIRD year in the NFL. Both are big, strong, mobile QBs with great character, who were plagued by ineffectiveness and accuracy issues in college. Both worked with Jordan Palmer leading up to the draft. If you read up on what Palmer said about Hackenberg's mechanics, it's pretty much verbatim what he said about Josh Allen for the past two months. Hopefully the result is different for us than it was for the Jets.

This is another strong suggestion that the Bills still rely on "old school" scouting to evaluate QBs, rather than looking at data or analytics to predict success.

Cam Newton was a transcendent college football player who took a mediocre Auburn team and led them to an undefeated season and National Championship against some of the toughest competition in the country. Josh Allen was just a guy in the Mountain West Conference. This comparison is a stretch to say the least. Cam Newton had the it factor and proved capable of putting a team on his back. Allen has yet to prove he can do that.

I have no issue with the Steelers having picked Rudolph in round 3. That's exactly where he should have been picked. It's the talk on this board of us picking him 22nd, or in some extremely stupid cases 12th overall that was completely insane.

Right. And for every Russel Wilson and Dak Prescott there are ten 3rd/4th round QBs who are complete crap. Just because they picked a guy there doesn't make them "smart". If Dallas knew what they were getting from Prescott, they'd have picked him a lot earlier than the end of the 4th round. Ditto for the Seahawks picking Wilson in round 3.

You're right. I would have. I told people the talk of picking Mason Rudolph in round 1 was insane, and that he was more comparable to former 4th round picks like Bryce Petty and Landry Jones. He's a mediocre talent with hardly any upside, so the talk of picking him in the first round is extremely bothersome.

Accuracy and the ability to read the field and anticipate throws.

Being willing to take a guy 22nd overall who the rest of the NFL deemed a 3rd round pick is a major concern in my eyes.

I hope you're right. I'm just not holding my breath. I hope he gets enough time to sit on the bench and learn how to play the position. The longer he sits the more beneficial I think it will be for his development.

At least it was slightly positive. Guys with negative ratings never work out in the NFL. Entertainment and winning games aren't necessarily the same thing.

It means he has maybe a 1:10 chance of becoming a successful NFL QB. Guys like him don't work out in the NFL.

All of the guys I just listed were first round picks and all were colossal busts. Just because a guy is a 1st round pick doesn't mean he's going to be any good.

I don't think this is true at all. All the media guys are "pissed" because they've done nothing but read about these QBs and their prospects as future NFL QBs for the past 7 months. In doing all that reading and studying, they've learned extensively about how guys like Josh Allen never succeed in the NFL.

I don't think he has any hope of being a successful NFL QB. I'm writing him off until he shows he can play. In my mind we just drafted EJ Manuel/Jake Locker/Kyle Boller/Josh Freeman.

Totally agree. Mahomes was the same type of prospect as Allen only he was actually a pretty good college player. Not liking Mahomes and then trading up for Allen makes zero sense whatsoever. Allen's game type, like EJ Manuel before him, suggested he should be a mid round draft pick. If he were 6'1, 215 like Baker Mayfield, he wouldn't have been drafted.

Or as a list of guys to potential interview as GM if (when) Allen blows up as a colossal bust and Beane gets fired.