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The Pitt defense and Bills defense have a lot of similarities in the secondary scheme, so it’s an easier projection.

If say a Jonny Newton falls to us at 28, I’d be pretty happy with him Baker and Cowing

Don’t forget about good ole Dane Ja…I mean MJ Devonshire

I like Joe, he is a good podcaster and truly loves the Bills. But Dalton Kincaids 673 receiving yard last year is the most of a returning pass catcher. I think even a tier 2 guy has a chance to lead the team in what looks likely to be a very egalitarian offense though I would definitely give the inside track to a veteran player over a rookie.

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Tez Walker too, then a bunch at the combine

His hands are not the best and the gauntlet exposed that. I’ve watched enough of him to think it’ll be ok in the NFL but if he were to just be a role player rather than a good WR, I think that would be the reason - think Nelson Agholar. I’m not worried about the weight, he has the frame to add weight and is the fourth youngest WR in the class. (And he weighed in at 183 at his pro day).

I am saying after the top 3 guys he is next. Analytically he grades out as very good in basically every metric beside contested catches. Had above 3 yards per route run against man and zone, one of the top graded WRs against single coverage in the last few years (up there with Davante Smith, Jamar Chase, etc.). When it comes to explosive plays, he generated a 30 yard gain in 12/13 games. He had a 40 yard gain in 7/13 games. Both led the class. He is just a very consistent, explosive and well rounded receiver that a poor combine is dragging down the boards. When you watch him play, you see why the analytics are so high on him. Excellent release package, can make plays at three levels, has some nastiness and wiggle to his yac, and was ALWAYS on the same page as Bo Nix. I go into a little more detail in this thread: But imo, Troy Franklin is WR4 and my top target for the Bills.

Cowboys, GB, TB

Cut ups of all or most targets for the top receivers that may be available to us

1:12:20 in is Dane Bugler talking about it. Of course nothing specific. “Burton has been to 6 schools over 8 years and was on the ***** list of the coaches at both Georgia and Alabama” Good podcast in addition to that Burton comment.

My love for Franklin is well documented. He’s very good at a lot of things. I’d be happy with him at 28, ecstatic if we got him after a trade down @DCOrange has had Cowing as an early Day 2 talent for awhile. The stats backup what he saw.

A couple of fun reads for analytics associated with the class https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-how-the-2024-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-class-performed-by-situation https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-analytical-sleepers-2024-nfl-draft-wide-receivers

With the 77th pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Las Vegas Raiders select Christian Haynes, OG, UConn The Raiders current RG is Jordan Meredith. This Madden auto generated player was signed to a 1 year sub 1 million dollar deal to replace Bills cast of Greg Van Roten. In other words, the Raiders are thrilled to pair Haynes with new RT Fuaga. In addition to providing a solid front 5 to allow for the human trebuchet Penix to have the clean pocket that made him so successful this season, it also provides a strong run blocking tandem on that right side. This should allow for a lot of wide zone runs that Getsy loves so much. With Zamir Whites showing in the last month of the season and several good RBs still on the board to be selected later in the draft, the Raiders feel like they can put together a good running game to compliment their rookie QB. CB was in high consideration at this spot too, but with Patrick Grahams zone heavy scheme we feel like we can wait there too. Antonio Pierce likes some of the LBs on the board too which made his trigger finger itchy, but in the end it came down to protecting the young QB. Father of 2/22’s of the Bills future starting lineup @Alphadawg7 and the Washington Commies are now on the clock

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Gotcha, I have McConkey as my WR5 a few pages back in this thread. Wasn’t sure if you were seeing data I hadn’t already. I like to take in as much of that stuff pre draft as I can.

which metrics?

If this is what the Bills had to choose from, I would want Haynes but I think they would go Isaac

You are right https://www.si.com/college/tennessee/vr2/2021-wr-adonai-mitchell-has-vols-at-the-top-with-another-sec-school (very bottom of article)

A high ankle sprain cost him almost the enitre 2022 season. That’s the only injury I know about him

With the 44th pick in the 2024 NFL draft the Las Vegas Raiders select Michael Penix, QB, Washington. The Maxwell award winner was in consideration for the Raiders at pick 13. Antonio Pierce was able to keep Bowl Cut Mark at bay and picked up the lefties blindside protector instead. Mark Davis reportedly “grilled” potential GMs about their plan for getting the Raiders a QB. With that type of mandate, the Raiders will take a QB early in this draft. Of the ones likely to be available, Penix is the best fit for Luke Getsy’s offense. Getsy used play action the 7th and 16th most in the league in 2022 and 2023 respectively. Penix used play action the most and was the highest graded play action QB in this class per pff. Getsy also had a lot of deep passes baked into his offense as Chicago threw the sixth and forth most 20+ yard passes in the league the past two seasons. Penix has a huge arm and a beautiful deep ball. The injury concerns and age are a concern, but when you feel like you need a QB you take a swing. @frostbitmic and the Saints are now in the clock

Nah we still had KCs first from the Mahomes trade. So we used the third we got from Cleveland in the Tyrod trade (1st pick of the third round) to move up from 22 to 16 to get Edmonds

Yea I think his poor combine started the slide and then people are hoping for a bigger bodied WR who can win contested catches which is not Franklins strong suit. I hope Beane is thinking Logic-ally!

I feel the same way, Franklin is my WR4 of this class. I’ve watched a lot of the WRs this year. People have posted YouTube videos of every 2023 target of Brian Thomas, AD Mitchell, Xavier Worthy, Ladd McConkey. And when you do enough digging you can find just about every snap of Franklin, Legette, Baker, Coleman, etc. I’m not a scout, but I thought Franklin was the most consistently good player across his targets who still had big time moments mixed in where his speed flashed. I’m still hoping he is a Bill in a few weeks.

I know losing Diggs is a big deal. But we still have a lot of spots on the roster that need young players besides WR. Trading away a lot of picks including next years first isn’t worth it when a good WR will be there at 28 imo.