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Which is exactly the type of play where Allen was able to find Knox. Maybe as he continues to improve he will find those 2nd options faster.

Probably a C, C+. Josh was the reason we had that final drive and big reason why we needed that final drive.

Bengals have had a really good DL for a while. LB's....yeah.

2-0, Allen looks like he could be the real deal, we might finally have depth at every position where it doesn't seem like we will need to hit on every draft pick. Competent leadership, it seems, from McBeane. If I was outraged at the Kroft thing, I think I might have a problem.

Do you mean exciting only in a good way? Cause depending on that Peterman might be king.

To be fair, I think/hope there are some of us who are ready to disagree with anyone on the Zay sucks side, but I imagine a certain few are most vocal and direct their ire towards you. I still think Zay is like Josh Reed and is a useful asset to this team.

Out of curiosity who was the last WR we put on our practice squad that went on to play amazing elsewhere? If nothing else I guess I feel comfortable trusting the coaching staff?

I don't know, I mean with these athletes as soon as they have a narrative take place it is hard to shake it. Rosen was drafted and said he was going to make the 9 teams ahead of him regret it. Cocky, right? A year later Arizona fans on Reddit are talking about how much it sucks for Rosen and how during his time with Arizona Rosen embraced the community and was considered a good teammate. When he was traded to the Dolphins his response was, "Well, it's not like I am some child soldier in Darfur. I've had it pretty good. I agree with you, it sucks for him, but maybe if we can justify not liking him then we don't have to feel that way.

I feel conflicted about this. Like being a Bills fan, this is great. Gase seems to have the charisma of a rabid dog. I just feel badly for the players. Someone is going to have to waste their prime playing for a HC more concerned about winning a pissing contest than showing some actual humility.

"Belichick is going to pick him up and make him into a all-pro/hall of famer."

Allen is tied for 17th I think, and I think he and about 6-8 more quarterbacks are ahead of Goff.

I stumbled upon 538's bizarre quarterback graph. They think Allen is the 2nd best QB in the division being slightly below average. There are some other, interesting tidbits in there. 538

That weird situation where between the Raiders, Patriots and Jets that it was the Jets with the savvy business decision.

I mean if we include yards to the other team, Fitz might have broken it. ?

Hey TBD community. I was wondering if I could get your opinions/advice. Background, I work an online position and as such have the ability to live anywhere in the United States. My wife currently is stay at home with our 15 month old daughter. We both really like having her not work and we're thinking of moving from California (we're both native Californian's so we have a lot to learn about weather) possibly to the east coast. I was curious as to your thoughts as to where might be good places to look into. We're looking for somewhere that stays relatively cool by East Coast standards and prefer to be near water. We're homebodies and don't need to be in a major city either.

PFF's ratings are weird. Fwiw, I think both of them are around a B+. I think for them 60-65 is average, 65-75 is good, 75-85 is great, and 85+ is elite. If average is a C, I'm not exactly sure about the breakdown, but B+ would be my guess.

I appreciate the response and I think you are right. I guess for me it's trying to find that balance of PFF is laughable to PFF is gospel and I guess I err on the side of the latter in an attempt to balance how I feel most of the board leans towards the former.

For the sake of argument from a mathematical perspective. Saying there is an error of +/- 2 doesn't invalidate a difference between Oliver and Edmunds. If we pretend to ignore standard deviations beyond the first then the only way they are even would be if Oliver averages a -1 and Edmunds a +1. (Of course Oliver -2 and Edmunds 0 also works/all the other possibilities) It has been a while since I took statistics so I'm a little rusty, but I think that would mean there is about a 90% chance Oliver played better and while the ratings are still fallible, it is significant. Yeah, PFF was way too complimentary of Tyrod and didn't say a word when he bombed in Cleveland proving us right and them wrong. That being said, and I think you and I are in agreement here. It is useful to see their grades for players that we're not watching. People can say the oline had a good game, but did they? I wasn't watching them, I was watching Allen and I have no idea how well Spain picked up a stunt play after play.

I don't mind the Sweeny being elite part.

Hyde seems more valuable, right? Or should they be offered about the same?

Does anyone else get the ratings for the Bills players for free? I'm not sure why, I am not a paid member but if I click on roster, the player and then 2019 I am able to see what their grades are after the first game. I can't see any specifics, but the overall grade comes up. Note names are not in order and I've lumped offense and defense separately. Some interesting tidbits. Since I don't pay for PFF I don't know the breakdown of players grade. PFF claimed Allen did well last year only because of his running grade, I wonder if he did better as a passer yesterday. Two, before you all get the pitchworks, remember PFF is just a metric and they are wrong a lot. Remember, when they championed Tyrod for three years before he had a performance with the Browns that would have made EJ blush? If Josh and the offense settles down, they'll prove them wrong sooner than later. Keep in mind, we did win, but we're going to need more than 17 points to beat most teams. Elite: Sweeny!!! Great: Brown Oliver Edmunds Murphy Good: Morse Zay Star Shaq Lorax Horrible Harry Poyer White Average: Dawkins Feliciano Milano Hyde T. Johnson Poor: Allen Singletary Gore Beasley Nsekhe (Almost Average) Ford Spain D. Johnson Phillips Neal Wallace Bad: Knox (Technically slightly above bad, but at least 5 points below all other offensive players) Hughes???

How many snaps did the three missing WR's get? I thought Zay caught everything that he could.

I hear Mills is available ?

I want to add: All of us fans who have managed to not need to go to the ER after that game.

Beyond the obvious choices I felt almost all the TE's and WR's were solid.