Billsfan1972

Say what you will, but when Allen released the ball vs. Minny I thought TD as there was no need to throw in the endzone as still lot's of room to work with and options (was second down). Then to see it no where close to a receiver and a simple int I was flabbergasted. We all are Allen fans, but that second half and the mistakes were just terrible. Of course would have been moot if either he doesn't fumble at the goal line or (and yes I'm throwing Diggs under the bus, because of the play and a drop) Allen's perfect pass to him on third & 15 with 3:40 left was caught (would have pretty much ended the game). Give the Bills defense credit on the Mahomes int, good pressure, great int.

Cincy game if he lights them up for 375 and a mistake free 38-35 victory may do it. And Peter King too seems to miss a lot of the little things Allen does from his most recent article. I'm not at all worried about the MVP, just responding here to some points.

Yes but compared to the Viking second half/ot, doesn't compare. The Int at the end of the KC game was a great defensive play and pressure. Josh's ints vs. Minny were just outright bad (and then there was the fumble).

And all things, especially health considered, the next 5-7 years too. Look voters won't consider the weather, the OL, Drops (lack of bigtime catches) or the things us fans see every week from Allen. They will see the lull in weeks 8-10, two spotty performances vs. NYJ and the Viking second half/OT.

Because those would have been considered "team" losses, vs. 3 very bad mistakes that will be pinned on Allen. Plus the narrative that he has done it with a new receiving core and loss of Hill. Not saying it is right, but the National Media doesn't like to throw Mahomes under the bus.

The Vikings game will cost Allen the MVP. Three big errors that are hard to forget (Int in the endzone, fumble at goal line and the game ending int, that I still have no idea what he was thinking). Add to that not a dominating performance since the Steelers game(?). Yes victories over Balt & KC (1-1 vs. Mia & NYJ), but funny looking at their opponents records everyone seems to be around .500 except the Rams(!).

Playing in 60 degree weather, calm conditions is perfect. Get down into the 30's and sure can be okay too. No one can say with a straight face they like 20's and windchill, high winds, rain and blustery conditions. Just not fun. Saturday was okay, but yes some wind and snow only for one quarter, but no one wants 16 weeks of it.

He was the the pre-season favourite and frankly while Bills fans see it, pothers may not as he had a mid-season lull (Redzone and Int issues), that effectively ended his chances. Chaos great stats, especially liked the running stats and just how important Allen is. Regardless Bills fans know the conditions he's played in and when push came to shove vs. KC, Buffalo won. Regardless Cincy will be big and if the Bills run the table I will say what costs him the award at season's end (right or wrong), was those 2-3 brain freezes vs. Minny (4th down Int, where even I would have taken the FG, the goal line fumble & then the horrendous OT Int, which if he led them to a TD, would probably have him #1). Take a look at the movement of the line. Could have had Allen @ 20:1 last week. https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nfl/mvp-odds/#:~:text=Odds to Win 2022-23 NFL MVP&text=Patrick Mahomes is currently the favorite to win the 2022,win %2414.50 and return %2464.50.

Really 74 pages on Beasley????🤣

Here you go.... On the surface doesn't look bad until you add 4th downs. Also Penalties are high. https://nflpickwatch.com/nfl/stats/teams/defense/down What I seem to see is they make big plays often on the third & 1 & 2 that impress, but they often are after longish frustrating drives. It's those long drives that Zach Wilson had in the Jets game that stands out or vs. Detroit where they got into FG position and then a bone ass call resulted in them kicking the tying FG (and then Josh to Diggs magic). Or coming up big vs. Miami on 3rd & 1 resulting in a FG.... Of course then there is the Minny game and them converting multiple times, but then the Bills coming through at the goal line. My question is always then, where is that sense of urgency when the Opposition is at their 20 yard line, not Buffalo's 20? So yes Buffalo's too it seems the goal line defense is very good. What it also shows is that while some trumpet that this is the 4th ranked defense by DVOA, when push comes to shove they are middle of the pack at best.

Here's a great site. Can look by week or range of weeks too. https://nflpickwatch.com/nfl/stats/teams/turnovers/total/TurnoverDifferential/true The good news is they forced the most fumbles week 11 through 15.

Yes pretty much the title. But mucked it up talking about randomness of fumbles and recoveries. People do like to veer on the discussion about it.

Actually I was very clear in stating no Ints in 5 games, which is a fact. Hey guess what the Bills are 5-0 too. Great. I do think they've been lucky in getting a few fumbles. True ups & downs and hope some ints come the playoffs. Seems the Bills generally are going 75-85 yards to score of late, which is added pressure on the Offence.

Again love when stats are skewed or there is not a deep dive. The OP said no ints in 5 games, but as usual the thread goes off the rails. When you talk about the Bills ranking it is highly skewed based on 8 the first two games and 14 the first 6.

Recent games they've allowed 6-8 (one being fourth & 10 vs. Jets). Not good. They've gotten agreed some big third down stops, but then the concern is how they got to 3rd & 1 or 2 too. Always a debate.

Here's an article I found and focused on Arizona who started last season 7-0. https://sports.yahoo.com/are-the-arizona-cardinals-benefitting-because-of-fumble-luck-162300926.html

Welcome to put me on ignore. I stated a fact and concern about Ints. What is so outlandish about stating a fact?

Appreciate it as always. At least I didn't start a new thread?😉 Yes I think that no ints is an issue. The fumbles they've recovered are as said often a 50/50 proposition. Bills btw have recovered quite a few fumbles (it is incorrect below, but they have recovered over 50% of FF). https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/fumbles/2022/reg/all

Just did a deeper dive. Bills are +1 in Turnovers during the year. They started off on fire with 8 the first two games and then two each vs. Baltimore, Pitt & KC.... As said since the bye only an Int vs. Rodgers and 2 vs. Cousins and none the last 5 games. They've relied on fumbles with 2 vs. NYJ (second game) and heck two vs. Detroit. As stated above too, 4th down conversions they have allowed too many 16/27, which means teams are going for it a lot vs. Buffalo (actually most in the league). Third down conversions for the #4 Defense is too middle of the pack. Haven't found average yards to go stat. So what this tells me is that they were very good early in the season and as said, no ints the last 5 games, have benefitted from fumbles and as said allowed 6-8 4th down conversions. Let's hope it changes soon.

I remember one play he went off and that was after that ridiculous lateral for -3 yards. That pass/lateral was an ill-advised play that appeared to be run just to get him the ball and it appeared Diggs was upset at the call and a play that had no opportunity of success. Could see frustration that has was not getting the ball thrown his way and this does come up every once in a while. Fine balance between getting him involved and forcing his the ball.

But the last two years were the first with 7 playoff teams. I was looking at road teams. At least in 2020 KC made the SB as the #1 seed. GB both years hated playing in the cold.😉

Rams won the division 2021. Was there and wasn't close. Montana was outplayed by his back-up. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199401230buf.htm

And last year Tenn had the bye & lost to Cincy & GB to SF. That bye week sometimes creates issues.

Why, I still think they'll win it, just have not seen a complete game in a long while.

Yep two penalties and wondered what took so long? Maybe one was arguing that give them 5 not 21 yards and put them into FG position? But both a hold and a DPI.