Billsfan1972

I'm wondering who amongst great receivers get the most cushion? Does #92 mean Davis doesn't do a good job getting separation? Davis Catch # is not great, but if uncatchable not his fault. What I want is a measure of "contested catch rate" or "hold rate when hit" or similar. As said I can remember specific catches where the receiver made a great catch and it was not the best of throws (Diggs definitely, Knox one or two and even Davis). I remember MacKenzie holding on to one where he may have been concussed after a violent hit as he caught the ball. There are others. The eye test is though the Bills haven't had many this year (and let's leave Diggs out of the equation).

Geez how sad, I've said not a single thing about McD, but stated the record and what we will hear from pundits come the playoffs until things change. I will not even begin to comment on my thoughts about McD, but stated that the Bills haven't won on the road, vs. KC or OT. But keep piling on.

Not at all what I said. Read the op. But yes I haven't seen too many one on one battles won. Not getting into a war of words or going to start calling out receivers or pointing to specific plays either. But let's for arguments sake use the Bills defense and the concerns of late to juxtapose my comment. How many times have people complained that passes are completed against our secondary because coverage while there the other receiver caught the ball? Have you seen many tough contested catches by Bills receivers? Yes they've made them, just not as many as I've seen other teams and players make.

The prior two years and this year the Bills have a team that is/was good enough to win the Super Bowl. Let's hope this is the year. Can we agree on that? Again you're reading into what I wrote. I stated nothing but facts. I made no personal comment as to McD.

I said pundits. Oh and I guess stating facts is a No-No?

No I have not, however as said I do watch a lot of football and I see a lot of contested catches by other players. To my eyes I haven't seen as many by the Bills who I watch every week and every play. Have you watched every other team and every other game so that you can definitively say the Bills have made so many contested catches? However I respect your response that you think the answer is no. The snarky follow-up though was uncalled for.

And the point? Just was responding to another post. The thread is about contested catches but if you want to start bringing up drops why don't you start your own thread? By the way I did see the drop by Boyd and it was terrible. Fortunately at the end of the day it did not cost them the game.

Yes I mentioned the one-handed grab in to OP (unfortunately that was the drive that ended on the 4th down Int in the endzone). Since you brought it up however, I will also note (and yes I remember this clearly and have a long memory) with 3:50 left on a third & 10, Diggs dropped a 20 yard pass that hit him in the #'s, which was a large reason the Bills lost the game (though yes the OT int by Allen too haunts me😉). Wasn't contested if thinking the same play late in the game. It was a timing pattern down the sideline where Diggs turned the ball was there and the defender behind him. It was a drop.

Good stats & yes checked them, but really no indication of the difficulty of the catches. There are stats too (not finding them now showing QB's and the accuracy of their passes and how many bad ones they've thrown....). Jefferson makes spectacular catches continually as does Kupp and others. I will say Diggs too (but not sure how many this year). More an eye test question as I just haven't seen that many by Buffalo. That is why I asked. I watch every Bills game, but watch a lot of other ones too and see what I think are "wow" catches more often then in Bills games. Look at Thursday and the last drive vs. the Raiders and the Rams made some. Jefferson vs. the Bills was unreal. Burrow & Cincy vs. KC I saw a # too. JMHO.

I was asking a question (and yes named you two, knowing as you are now showing that you won't answer the question, just tell me that the thread is negative and serves no purpose). You can PM me if you want to take it offline. I'm just posting an observation I have (and yes may be completely wrong).

Don't see a whole lot there. Yes Owners/GMs are not a patient bunch. With Buffalo & McD, it is right now about winning and pundits will say 3-0 at home, 0-4 on the road (0-2 vs. KC). Oh & 0-2 in OT😡.

Just you & Royale.... You know why. I am stating an opinion and what I am seeing. Asking if it is a fair assessment?

Watching other teams and seem to see a lot of great catches, contested ones, tough ones where the qb didn't put it right on the #'s and receivers winning one on one battles. Am I wrong to think we don't see as many by the Bills? Yes Diggs makes his catches, but most are just great routes and throws. I remember the one handed one vs. Minny and obviously the one vs. Detroit where he took the hit too. Davis I remember the one in the endzone vs. Pitt. Knox I remember one too. Look a crisp route and the ball being thrown accurately, the swing pass in open spaces, or the pass that hits the receiver right where it should in the open seam these are things we expect and see. It is the difficult catch, the one that bails out the QB, the one where the receiver takes a violent hit and hold on, or when caught and was contested by the CB/DB, these are the ones I have seen a lot of lately when watching other games & highlights. Yes I think back to the Minny game and all the catches they seemed to make to continue drives and convert 3rd & 4th downs as an example. Am I being tough on the Bills saying I haven't seen nearly enough and then the question is why not?

I'm not arguing about McD at all. I don't hold him in as high regards as others, but think he is a good coach, and hope that eventually a great coach. It is the # here who feel the need to post threads saying he is so good that I disagree with. I personally think that it more because of Allen the Bills are where they are then Mcd.

Serious question. How so? I found a couple of interesting stats (QB's in second year in SB) and Youngest SB QBs. Do I think JA should have been in it Year 2? Absolutely not. The fact 17 made Superbowls younger the him certainly indicates it is doable and his age & experience should not be questioned. But yes I get tired of everyone using the "Project" excuse. I was of the mind throw him in and let him make mistakes and get better. McD thought Peterman was the better qb to start 2018.

Keep repeating that line over & over. Never get's old. Here's others to look at. https://dknation.draftkings.com/2022/2/11/22922096/super-bowl-history-quarterbacks-second-year-joe-burrow-bengals-vs-rams https://www.ranker.com/list/youngest-quarterbacks-super-bowl-history/pedro-cerrano Josh is 26..... That would make him 18th on the list if they make it this year. I think it's time.....😝

They were the favourites heading into the season & still should be. I don't want to hear excuses. As said the Bills have been off since the bye (something seemed to happen come the second half vs. GB), but no reason they shouldn't "return to form". An earlier thread said from 2002-19 the AFGC was represented by Manning Brady & Roethlisberger all but 2X's. 2020-21 Mahomes & Burrow in 2022. I will be very upset with anything less then a SB appearance by Buffalo (and yes Josh Allen can start that run like above).

Yes McD's fault. Look at the list of qb's 2017-19 who were able to do it and are scrubs. No it is 8-10 of you,but you are a loud mob. And yes I fall for it and respond.

Simply put no other team in the NFL went beyond one year not throwing for 300 yards. The Bills (MdcD coached)managed to do that for three straight years.

I hated how they used it to describe McD. Every coach should be implementing culture and strong work environment. And know when I get into something it's almost always with the pro McD crowd. As said take a look at the thread's I started. Most are pretty damn tame, and not terribly negative. Fine I'm out.

Have I ever said replace McD? What I always said about him was I didn't like his handling of the offense and hated the "Culture" crap. I am eternally optimistic about the Bills and maybe that is why when they don't perform to expectations I get upset. As said look at the threads, none I would call overly controversial or so negative. People get mad when I posted being upset at the Weather or said something as controversial as "Don't have the Refs influence the game". As I said read the titles and tell me what is so off-putting to some?

Here's a list of all the threads I started. Tell me how many have been so negative. https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/profile/24993-billsfan1972/content/?type=forums_topic&change_section=1 I know my threads are not 100% positive, but none actually have been hypercritical (outside the 13 second fiasco). For the most part I am not down on the coaching or a whole lot, just point out issues or what I think can be improved. I know Oldmanfan will go back to the 300 yard comments (which I still am gobsmacked that McD did not have a 300 yard passing game the first first three years as coach) and the fact the Bills were a hard team to watch and right at the bottom offensively those three years.

No I'm told by the same 5-6 McD fans. I get it, this is a pro Bills & McD site. Just this thread with 85% positive emojis for the thread author or this one 88 Positive responses (0 negative). It is TSW and many of the posters. A few will say different and are drowned out. Sorry this should be Buffalo's year and they've been a little off since the bye.

Mental gymnastics??? You just pulled a Simone Biles. If you just think the Bills are one of a number of teams with SB aspirations, than yep you can be happy. This was the pre-season SB favorite, the overwhelming pick after week two and solidified that after the KC game. Since then they've been okay. Quit crowing about beating the Pats (I know Buffalo inferiority complex). It was a good win (against a borderline Playoff team), but frankly far from dominating. The Bills haven't had a real good game since KC.

And you've confirmed my argument. The Bills destroyed the Titans week 2. Philly has had two very convincing offensive performances after two bad games vs. Washington & Indy. This is what I've gone on about the Bills, they've not put together a complete game since the bye. I had a thread stating that from Halftime of the GB game they were bad (when I posted it was 6 quarters and the loss to the Jets). Then came the Viking loss where they blew a 17 point lead and were not that great vs. Cleveland or Detroit either. NE was okay, but some issues there too. I want to see a full 60 minutes (or at least until they let up in the fourth). Example is Dallas destroying Minnesota, where the Cowboys offense costed the last 20 minutes, but the defense didn't let up.