Billsfan1972

I think this clip said it all...... Dan saying how hard they have been on him, again trashing the PI call and Bomani calling the Bogus Int a bad decision (because no one has ever done that), pointing out Donald's strip sack where he facemasked & Horse collared Josh and violently threw him down & insinuated that Allen was the reason they lost the lead.... Nope no one is questioning him. Oh & Dan pulled out the stat that over his last 14 games 33 TD (Passing & Running) vs. 3 Ints...... Great stat!!!! Oh & PFF through 3 weeks has him behind Rivers & Brady...... Ha ha ha

Actually that was not the point of the thread. It was that some people made up their mind about Josh before he played a game in the NFL, much based on College, which most probably never watched him play a game. I said all I cared was the Bills picked him 7th, throw him in, hopefully coach him properly & let's see what he is. The people still not sold on him are those who decided based on their readings of him prior to the NFL that he was a stretch at #7 and inaccurate. I have watched every game as a Bill & looked at the cup half full & blamed much on a lousy line, bad to middling receiving corp, way too many dropped passes & a coach who would seemed to muzzle the offense.

Brady & Rivers through 3 weeks???? Brady has thrown 3 Ints too. Dak has lost 2 fumbles too & 2 ints & only 5 TD passes...... Same with Goff 5 TD's 2 Ints...... Here's QBR..... https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/table/passing/sort/adjQBR/dir/desc

9th???? I'm sure that 350 page manual will still have Lamar higher. Okay Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, probably media darling Kyler Murray & Dak???? Really how he isn't 4th at worst is beyond me.

Bomani, Foxworth, Keyshawn didn't say one positive thing when Orlovsky said Allen in the MVP conversation. Has Lombardi stepped back yet? Bill Simmons & Cousin Sal also were meh about it (and have laughed in the past about Josh). Heck yesterday's Around the Horn's first conversation was about the PI, which to me was pretty obvious & not what one would call a lead story. Usually one panelist would have turned it into what a smart play by the Qb throwing it to the receiver being held or then talking about his performance. But no..... Plenty of skepticism still and wait til he has a sub-par game (or makes a bad decision) & watch the knives come out. BTW his #2 receiver didn't play 2/3rds of the game.

I disagree, many still holding on the the old narrative (and bet most never saw a single college game he played). How else too after 411 yards does PFF have him rated 12th last week. What was he rated this week? You never stop...... You mean they went 48-0 through that time frame? You mean none of the losses would have been a win if the Bills were capable of throwing for 300+ yards? This gets old.... Oldmanfan anywhere around?

As said I'm not a draft expert and expect the teams scouts to have made a proper pick..... He was 7th overall..... And again back to the actual thread.

I'll take more of them. Missing those 17-14 barnburners???? Want another 48 game drought?

He was thrust into a playoff scenario (SD or were they already LA) and was the starter in 2018.😜

I watch college football, not religiously mind you. I see some players that look like they will be stars, but frankly am no scout. So the Bills draft Allen and all I care is that it is a QB with the 7th pick and yes expect him to be the "Franchise" QB. I expect growing pains and wanted him in early to learn. Of course wasn't a fan of McD and the Offensive teardown and his keen eye for professional QB talent (Peterman). What amazes me though about Josh is three years in and now three great, great games & the narrative is only slowly changing. For Lamar it changed very quickly, but some national talking heads continue to deride Josh Allen based on what I bet less then 5% even saw from his College days (i.e. inaccuracy). I never saw him in college and was thrilled Peterman was the bust we expected him to be and thus Josh was thrust in almost immediately. He played like a rookie year one with no talent around him, improved in year two with an undersized receiving core and coaching that was intent to pump the breaks once the offence scored 14 points (and shut down after 20). The point is almost no one saw him in college and he is still being judged by his college days and year one with a lousy offense around him. Only a few even know about the # of comebacks he's engineered.

Still muted.... Okay, but you can see they still want to be correct and making excuses. They did get it right that it is "Must see TV"

What is upsetting is that the national media has made a big deal about it, as if it was an egregious call. It was the correct call. Heck the defender too knew he was guilty as he put up his hands after the throw was made as if to say he was "not holding". Also after the play you did not see the team going apoplectic over the call. Upset yes, but not that they were hosed. While I don't always agree with Pereira, he is more often right then wrong and was funny that he stated, that after a # of dubious decisions he disagreed with, this one was correct.

Instead of starting another thread, will mention again after seeing that the PI was the lead topic on Around the Horn and basically two panelists said is was just a terrible call, with Clinton Yates making it sound like the second coming of the non-PI call in the Saints/Rams playoff game, I am amazed how much national attention the call got. BTW two other panelists tepidly said it was a penalty according to the rules, but probably wasn't catchable (Duh it was a perfect pass to where Davis would have been if not held for 10 yards).... It was PI/Illegal Contact or whatever you want to call it. The DB held him for 10 yards and the rule is pretty simple. Also helped that it is who Allen was throwing the ball to. If he threw it to Diggs, probably no flag. He threw it where Davis would be if he was not held. This was a simple call.

The reason it is a penalty is that it is a dangerous play. Whether pocket or not, to carve it out makes absolutely no sense. I too saw the facemask but no real replays.

Isn't that the exact point. No hold & he is where the ball was thrown.

Oh and when Aikman was QB he'd want the exact same call. What rubbish. It was a penalty & Davis played very well, but don't get excited & claimed he did anything special to draw a flag. He ran his rout & was impeded/interfered with.

Keyshawn should stick to catching balls.... He contributed nothing & was actually insulting.

I thought we wanted Lamar????

Said the same thing last year, but too many here bought into McD and the hype and thrilled at low scoring games. They are certainly a much better defense then they are showing, but it was more reflective of their opponents & schedule.

My infatuation was that the Bills were the only team in the NFL incapable of doing it for not one or two, but three straight seasons. The Seahawks had a middling offensive team, because they often blew out opponents, made the SB (and won it) and had a QB that won them games. The Bills fans here talked over & over about Defense & the team was a cumulative 25-23 the past three season and very few signature wins or big offensive explosions (now someone post that the Bills made the playoffs). I've had more fun the past three weeks then the prior three years.

And no one afraid of the offense... I'm sure the Seahawks too are very upset with their defense.

How so? The Rams' player didn't even argue. Are we (Bills fans) so used to not getting a call, that when a correct call is made, we call is questionable?🤣

Yes I have & enjoying these three weeks more then the prior 48..... Anyone missing those 17-14 games?

And now 3 in a row.... So who is not enjoying this???😆

He was held for 10 yards & that is okay?