Sojourner

I am well aware of the design of a play and three of the plays I posted, whether to your unsatisfactory level, were designed for multiple reads. 2 are a level and clear out concept that are built upon getting the ball to the underneath target once it’s cleared out. Josh’s throw to a 50/50 ball where Keon was the target was the wrong throw. The following okay the exact same concept was run that resulted in less time to throw and a completion to Shakir. The run play you are highlighting can be run either way. There is 4 defenders on either side of the box, the motion shifts the defenders over. That’s a 4 on 4. WRs struggled to block the whole first half. You’ve now resulted in 2 lineman, a pulling guard and 2 receivers holding that edge from pressure instead of 3 lineman, a blocking TE and a WR. Either side could have resulted in a gain but if you’re dead set that there isn’t a check built in and they have to have that personnel block what they did, ok.

Oh I know. I was being zealous to being wrong.

Einstein. Always has to chastise or inflate his own ego in the manner of belittling people. Run checks are exclusively that. It does work like that. They are built in for you to CHECK the side that better suits defensive alignment. High school football… HIGH SCHOOL. Has 3 and sometimes 4 checks. Every run play has a mirror call, but you knew that already. Every play has a fail safe run pass or RPO to check to. But you knew that already. Everyone is a viable target. Hence the rule of progressions, checks and route combinations. But you know everything. Just like your one post… ”watch the all 22. There’s zero separation” SMH.

Flacco played very well, especially for a guy who just landed there. However, most knew he would succeed somewhat. Throw the ball to Chase and Higgins. Not much else to it. The sad part is these talking heads act like it isn’t the key part of the equation here…

There very may well be disconnect but it isn’t because of those circumstances. Some think Josh was not to blame at all. Those of us who are saying that some blame goes to Josh understand there was lapses in play from the offensive line but there was several plays he made the wrong decision on. Gobills808 asked for the proof and I provided him two drives to end and start the first and second quarters. All I’ve seen is people blame the defense. They actually did a reasonable job in the second half to limit the Falcons from scoring on their first 3 drives; even wiped points off the board via a blocked FG. All I’ve seen is people say the coaches can’t scheme anyone open, the talent can’t separate or get space for Josh to throw. Yet on those drive screenshots, the majority of them, Josh had ample time to throw thanks to the offensive line AND guys were open. There wasn’t a lot of great in that game. The defense was abysmal but actually managed to do something when it’s back was against the wall to give us a decent chunk of the game to get back in it and take the lead. The offensive game plan could have been better when you’re up against a team that runs a lot of blitzes. This team has blemishes on all sides but the QB. We know more often than not Josh is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat for a win. These last two games? Not really. Josh was forcing a lot of stuff to whom he had already decided. Wasnt a Keon fan but thought he’d turn it around after Baltimore. Looking unlikely. The problem is more that Josh forces the ball consistently to him. Several throws against Atlanta there was actually another option open for an uncontested catch by the time the ball gets there. That’s a problem that isn’t purely a coaching or play design issue. None of those saying he had a bad game is bashing Josh. Completely the opposite. The disconnect problem you highlight is when the majority point out A, B or C was bad it usually results in bashing and now most of the same people implying their own perspective as someone critiquing Josh through the same lens they do the defense, Keon, Sean, Brandon or whatever it is for that week. Most of those alluding to Josh having a bad game are ironically the ones who usually don’t tar and feather the team or its players for their blips, blunders or defects.

Anyone else notice Rodgers does a Super Mario jump after scoring?

Nice to see Roman Wilson producing. Nevermind.

thanks, I’ve noticed that these last 3 weeks his involved has increased dramatically. Thought maybe it’s Chase then Higgins and he’s fighting for scraps. Seems that there some serious talent potential there.

He is? Weird. He’s listed on every single site as WR. Including the Bengals very own website and depth chart… Their tight ends are Sample/Gesicki/Fant/Hudson/Grandy. Oh well, I’ll take your word for it.

This #80, Iosivas for the Bengals seems like an interesting player. Is he just stuck behind Higgins?

Heck of a throw by Rodgers.

It’s frustrating because we know what we have at the QB position. A once in a generation QB. Expecting him to put on the cape every game is wrong and delusional but even just borderline decent games from Josh would have won these last 2 games if not 3 comfortably. @TheBrownBear said it perfectly. The team doesn’t play well on either side of the ball at the same time. Defense is clearly an issue but can show up. Offense is clearly our life support but sometimes doesn’t show up. Not to repeat but for as bad as the defense is and has been the last few games, they’ve done enough, barely, to keep us in games. Offense and Josh hasn’t executed hence the hole we are in.

Hey man, I’m on record acknowledging this team goes as far as Josh takes us. He’s an absolute stud. I see all sides of the pine.. the defense being a serious issue the coaching staff not being up to par lack of talent at the WR position I don’t disagree with anything there. Not for a second. There was so many plays left on the field that were a combination of the coaching staff AND Josh. @JakeFrommStateFarm highlighted about Bijan’s 171 yards and a TD on the ground. Out of that total he put up 138 and the TD in the first half. Defense/STs did enough to get us back in the game. 3 stopped drives after the boys made it 14-21. One of those drives they took 3 off the scoreboard with a blocked FG. Josh’s failed 4th down pass to Ty Johnson and the botched snap on 3rd down were back breakers. Either of them go the opposite way it probably turns out a different game. Lots of blame to go around and as much as people want to pile it on the defense, it was a collective effort by the team top to bottom; including the MVP.

First half was atrocious. Absolutely disgusting to watch but we knew Bijan is no joke and they were going to feed him. Second half, the last scoring Falcons drive aside, the defense didn’t do bad in comparison to the first. That last scoring drive for Atlanta was defined by one play; the pass to Bijan on busted coverage for 25 yards. After that it was pretty much a wrap in terms of time we would have had left. Even then, do they stop the 3rd down conversion if the pass went incomplete? Who knows. The Shaw Thompson potential pick 6 absolutely nailed the coffin shut. The offense, like so many other games, didn’t put up points when the defense finally started making stops. The failed 4th down flip to Ty Johnson to end the 3rd quarter… FG is blocked by Rousseau on the drive immediately after. Literally 3 plays and a punt. Not good enough. Ty Johnson and Cook for 9 yards on two downs only to do some BS trickery that resulted in a fumble. Game is in the potential balance. Big boy pants need to go on and bully them for the yard with Josh or cook.

There is verbiage built into every play that the line will know their assignments. On top of this, that terminology is highlighted and walked through during practices. That play something changed from the initial call to alignment. And that check was clearly on Josh. Ekitibe (#17) and Eliss (#55) don’t rush or engage at all; both drop into coverage. Alford (#20) doesn’t cover Shakir either which is why you end up with 2 free rushers on that side. Brilliant disguised call by Ulbrich. On that throw, could have gone to Coleman or Shakir in my opinion. Either that or just run right, Brown was blocking nobody I believe. Whatever his presnap read was it was taken away immediately so i am guessing Knox?

You’re right, that is a tough throw to make but there is a guy open there. Would be tough. I’ve acknowledged that in another post, however the play is there to an open guy (when all I hear is no one’s open). It also seems you’re dead set Josh was a minimal problem. That’s fine. He rarely is ever THE problem but he certainly was A problem against Atlanta. And just like your initial screenshot, you’re cherry picking something in the same timeframe to dismiss Josh making an error. I played football for 13 years. Shavers and Coleman aren’t running into each other there dude, there’s at least a yard between their depths. That’s a pick on one defender if anything. On top of that, in the same screenshot you have a guy wide open in the flat running a wheel route. I am highlighting there was bad QB play… that’s it. If you’re twisting it as I am saying it’s solely on Josh then there initial post you replied to asking for receipts you must have misunderstood.

🤦‍♂️ Oh boy. There’s pressure sure. But a guy like Josh has the ability to literally read the field in one or two seconds. On top of that he knows the play, his hot route or release on the concept. The first sack, the one by Ruke I can give you as that is on the other side of the field where the open man is. The third down one? It’s right in front of him, 2 guys. A wheel and a dig. The latter is picking up 5-6 yards minimum. The wheel route? Who knows. That could be a house call. Your bolded words are indicative of a problem that’s creeping up again. Josh holding the ball too long. Sure it’s down to personnel not being consistently open but that’s a tough task to ask man… there isn’t an elite/all-pro guy out there running routes. However, there was guys open at several points throughout the game, the question or problem is whether Josh saw them.

Lol. There’s screenshots above. Unless I’ve just used AI to generate them? Check the all-22 yourself. You aren’t going to have guys open every single play of the game. Let alone multiple guys. Sometimes it’s only one and the QB has to find him. Every screen shot above (with the exception of the run play) there is a receiver open… again. Every. Single. Screen shot.

They are all bad decisions by Josh man. There’s the receipts. That is back to back drives early in the game there was plenty more I can assure you. I don’t know what to tell you other than Josh was not good. Plenty of guys getting open so that excuse can go out the window. It’s looking more and more like Josh is back to his initial read and sticking with it; like you said… predetermined. If Josh Allen isn’t able to check runs, especially when you have box alignment like that then that’s a problem. Especially as he just secured an MVP accolade. We were allowed to run check during varsity football man lol…

Ok. Let’s get into it. Also find it funny you’re asking me to bring receipts when in that screen grab you’re not far off from plenty of poor decisions by Josh. QTR 1, 6:26, 1st & 10 (7-7) Josh incomplete to Dawson Knox. (Not a bad throw, just impressive breakup by Deablo for ATL. Cook getting wide open in the flat with the only defender having his back to the play, first downs so the safer pass wouldn’t have been bad; Josh is reading that side of the field after all) QTR 1, 6:21, 2nd & 10 (7-7) Josh right guard for no gain (Should have thrown the swing pass. Lanes are clogged and if the pass gets by the edge defender it’s blocked pretty well) QTR 1, 0:20, 1st & 10 (7-14) Cook left guard for no gain (Run should have been checked to the better side of the box instead of going left. Blocking certainly didn’t help but the matchups to run right before the snap are extremely favorable) QTR 2, 15:00, 2nd & 10 (7-14) Josh incomplete to Keon (Plenty of options if you’re including the throw he chose. Knox in the middle. Ty Johnson wide open coming across, only defender who can make the play is tied up with Knox.) The immediate play after is a pass to Shakir for 15 yards and a first down, which is funny because the concept is almost identical to the throw before with the exception no RB. Far less time for Josh to throw than the incompletion to Keon too. Very strange. QTR 2, 13:16, 2nd & 8 (7-14) Josh sacked by Ruke Orhorhoro QTR 2, 12:42, 3rd & 8 (7-14) Josh sacked by DeAundre Alford for -15. For the 2 sacks, if you can’t see the issue then I don’t know what to tell you. Especially the 3rd down one. See plenty of people crying and screaming there’s no one open. These screenshots are 2 drives. Plenty of people open. Plenty of bad decisions. Critiquing Josh for having a bad game is treated like a cardinal sin. Facts are facts. Josh didn’t play great. That doesn’t diminish his talents or capabilities and why people treat pointing out such is absurd. I can go into more depth to prove to you even more there was some bad decisions that were made by Josh and also that people “weren’t open” again…

Yup. Was there also. Certainly seemed that way. Most of why we’ve seen is there’s only ever one guy open when we are passing, if any at all. Throw the blitz, give him little to no time to make a decision and this is what we are seeing. Not putting them on the same level as the Lions because the skill players they have are substantially better but like them if you can take away the ground game and force pressure to put the QB in an immediate decision, it’s your best chance for success. The Pats game wasn’t as bad as the Falcons; from a whole team standpoint, but Josh’s play wasn’t dissimilar and I can only completely agree having watched it in person, on TV and the All-22 that something is indeed off. Like @Casey D said, Josh is too good not to rebound. We’ll get back to better play.

Here come the lynch mob for Jim. Apparently you can support Josh til the end of days but are unable to critique him by some people when he’s actually had a bad game. Not a lot was good, if any, against the Falcons but we did in fact lose a game because of Josh; not Josh alone but he played a significant part.

Ok Barb.

And all of that was essentially what I said which you quoted lol