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Gruden deserves for both to leave, so he can get back to sucking.

How anyone can see his point of view after everything he's done starting with week 17 last year is beyond me. You're not owned when getting paid $50M over a 3 year span to play a game.

I would've added the gif, but don't know how.

Are you not entertained??

I think we're going to see that the defenses will have the advantage the first week or two. You're right people looked rusty last night, but it was mostly on the offensive side of the ball. Both defenses definitely were ready and came to play.

I'm sure he's improved, but the defense held Darnold in check last year. If they're going to attack us in through the air, I think that's right where we want them. We were the only team to give up less than 180 yards a game last year through the air. Add Oliver to the mix with a more seasoned Edmunds and the pass defense may end up being down right suffocating this year.

This is the only thread you will find that I argued to anywhere near this degree, there are plenty that you have, you don't even have to look past the first page of threads to find one. One is an anomaly. the other is a pattern. Going all in on Gruden's judgement is foolish, the man couldn't get a coin flip right in 100 tries. You really believe with all the things Brown did just in the last month or so, he shouldn't have been let go? If so I'm glad you're not the guy who calls the shots where I work. Allowing one person to do what they wish while holding everyone else accountable has disaster written all over it. What you failed to mention when you said he's gotten along with the players is they told their coach they were good whether Gruden chose to keep him or let him go. That's not a vote of confidence from the players, it's we'll put up with him if you bring him back. The Raiders are only one of a few organizations that the players would rather have fun, than get serious about winning. This wouldn't fly with team that had a Brady, or a Brees or any team that had a coach with a spine. It really shows you how far the Raiders are from becoming a real franchise again, they're a circus.

Chills here also.Thanks for posting. GO BILLS!!

I'm wondering if he's going to leave. I just can't decide if it will be soon or after the season. If you're Mayock why would you stay? Wouldn't you guess he was making good money on the NFL Network? I'm sure not the same amount, but enough to live very comfortably. I can't see the difference in cash being worth it.

Man you do love to argue. Just like the AB thread yesterday, you just keep going and going even after you say I'm going to make this last point then I'll stop...then you just couldn't take it and came right back. In my opinion you were wrong in that thread just like this one. Back to Duke. You stated he has the same speed as a guy who's 56 years old, really? The game has changed since then and Duke has no where near the skill set or work ethic Jerry had. Most of what Jerry did on the field came about by studying & being smarter than his opponent, working & training harder than anyone in the NFL. At the time, his workout routines were famous and after the word got out some of the best talent in the NFL started working out with him during the offseason. Great you just found the 1 in a million example, the one off, who entered the league 34 years ago. You say he has redeemed his image and that is why he was picked up by the Bills, in which he continued to stay on the right path. With everything good you & others saw with Duke during training camp & preseason then why would no other team pick him up off waivers. Don't tell me because other teams are too busy or worn out or practice squad players aren't well known. Everyone evaluating talent in the NFL is well aware who Duke Williams is and the Bills even talked him up some before the cut and placing him on the practice squad. Also don't tell me it's because of his past, this league has shown time and time and time again that if a player has real talent there's always at least one team who's willing to put them on their roster & take a chance on them. Just look recently with AB, who threatened the GM saying "I hit you right in the face" then punted the ball and said fine me for that. Also look at Kareem Hunt & Vontaze Burfict just to name a few. If you have talent the NFL has proven to be very forgiving.

Wow you're fast Yolo!!??

Please don't put words in my mouth or try to spin what I said, I haven't done it to you. I didn't say he couldn't play WR, I don't know where you're getting that from, what I said and have said is he can't play WR good enough. His skill set at WR, on it's own, was not and has not been good enough to merit a spot on any team's 53, which is a fact no one can argue with. My argument all along is he's a one dimensional player, who's too slow to play WR in the NFL outside of the redzone. Duke not playing special teams is just part of him being one dimensional. If Beane & coach feel they have a spot open to bring him up to be a redzone threat, do I think they should do it....Hell yeah, that's the area on the field I firmly believe he's really good. Outside of the redzone, I'd rather throw to a guy who can create separation than a guy who can catch contested balls. That's my preference, it doesn't have to be yours. I have nothing against Duke and didn't know much of him early on this year, but he's been talked up on this board since February including a thread title stating he was "better than any of the WR draft prospects" or he'll be fighting for the #1WR spot. To be honest I was expecting more once he hit the field. The people who like him, like to make excuses whether it's about: they're not playing in pads yet or he's 4 years removed from college, 26 years old and still failed to crack the 53 or he wasn't claimed off waivers when Ray Ray was or the fact he's slow and his 40 time vs other WRs shows it. As I said before, I believe the comeback story has been better than the comeback player. But make no mistake, if Duke cracks the 53 and starts getting on the field, I will be rooting for him just as hard as anyone on this board. Just my opinion.

If he had that kind of obvious talent, he'd be on the 53. Also he has below average speed for a WR, if you compare his time vs what WRs ran this year only 1 WR ran a slower time. Between 2005-2012 the average WR 40 yard time was 4.48. I couldn't find anything more up to date than that, but that was 7-14 years ago and the NFL only gets faster every year.

Mike Florio was just talking about that on PFT. He finds it hard to believe Mayock hasn't told Gruden that he doesn't need this mess, Gruden needs to pick between him or Antonio otherwise he can always go back to the NFL Network.

I know what Mayock thinks...Why in the hell did I leave my cushy job for this circus? Gruden really isn't helping the situation either, the GM & Coach need to be on the same page and have each others backs. More and more looking like Gruden has Antonio's back on this. As for Terrell, it shows what he knows. All things considered I'll take Allen over Carr any day of the week. Carr has decent stats, but the team is 32-48 since drafting him.

Yeah he did the same on a different segment I saw over the weekend with Terrell Davis. Terrell & the host pretty much laughed at him, but he held his ground. EDIT: I just googled and found it, it happened last week I believe. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000001045837/Mike-Rob-The-Bills-will-win-the-AFC-East-in-2019

A few things on this. I found where you got your info, he's 20th based on percentage, not number of times he faces 8+ in the box. The number of times he faced 8+ in the box, based on his percentage & number of carries, would make #1 in this category, not 20th. Included in the list of the other 19 runners are RBs who had a fraction of the carries Zeke had, like 3rd down short yardage backs who are going to see a higher percentage of 8 in the box looks. There's a bunch of RBs you're trying to compare Zeke who had just below 100 carries - just over 100 vs Zeke's 304. To qualify for the data you supplied all a RB needed was 85 carries or 5.3 carries a game. The other thing would be, I asked if Zeke is in the backfield how many 7-8 in the box looks are you going to see. The data you supplied is for running plays only, it doesn't take into account 8+ in the box looks on plays the Cowboys ended up passing. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#percent-eight-defenders

Foster did next to nothing in college & even less in preseason last year. Ray Ray got picked up this year, yes? If you don't think my analysis is correct, that's fine, I believe it is. You don't seem to have a problem with pro Duke narratives that are irrational and there's plenty, why is that?

He may be an asset, he may not. He hasn't done anything in a regular season game yet, he hasn't even suited up for an NFL game in his life. No one knows if he'll ever be an asset for us. I don't hate the guy and I'm not rooting against him, but when you see dumb things being said then it is what it is. Heck look no further than the post I was responding to.

Did you just say Duke is a bit more of a receiving threat than Hines Ward? Good God is right. Now a guy would can't even make a 53 man roster 4 years out of college is more of a receiving threat than a guy who had over 12,000 yards receiving.??

I've never questioned his heart, only his ability. Listen it would be great if everything clicks and he can somehow, someway get everything righted around and stay that way. He doesn't need to be a star player to do that. In the next couple of years if he can make the 53 and crack the starting line up then I believe the comeback is complete. If that happens no one will be cheering louder than me.

I can respect that, good post Shaw!!

Man Alpha can you make your post sound more dramatic lol? Duke would absolutely get lit up a Christmas Tree time and time again if he kept going over the middle, during the regular season, against 1st team defenses. Heck Gronk got lit up on many occasions and he's no Gronk. If you don't think or believe that, that's fine we can agree to disagree. All offseason people were Duke is all this and that, he's one thing at this point a below average NFL WR, otherwise he'd be on some team's 53 man roster and that's a fact. In my opinion the comeback story has been far better than the comeback player. #LEGENDOFDUKE

How many of those productive or HOF players still hadn't cracked the 53 man roster 4 years after leaving college? My guess is none. Duke not getting claimed by another team while on waivers, even with a couple highlight TD catches is very telling. He wasn't good enough to be even the 6th WR on any team? It's not like he's an unknown. Ray Ray McCloud got claimed and Duke didn't, that's even more telling. No one seems to want a one dimensional player. Zay is on the team because the coaches want him on the roster, not because of some love affair by Beane. He's still listed with the first team on the depth chart with a much better WR corp. But don't let me interrupt you please continue going on and on about he's this close to getting cut, when everything in front of your eyes says the exact opposite.

I don't understand the comparison between the two. Are you comparing Zeke's body of work vs Sammy's? One would be a workhorse and the other you've already mentioned is a decoy. There's a BIG difference between the Zeke's production and where he ranks at his position vs Sammy's one good year and where he ranks at his position. Wouldn't you say? Everything I said in the post you replied to is correct. Do you think Dak can make it without one of the best RBs in the league? I don't believe he can carry an offense, which he would have to do if he only has an "average" RB.