sven233

The were the great football fans in the world...........80,000 STRONG..... And now we can't evern sell 74,000 tickets....not even to a Miami game. Sad if you think about it.......

Well, I haven't wanted to say it because I still hate the Dolphins, but if this game does not sell out, the rivalry will officially be dead. According to reports, there are still 7000 tickets remaining for this game. Those will be tough to sell in 2 weeks during the Christmas season. The fact is, the Dolphins' games have always been among the first to sell out because of the rivalry. Granted, over the last few years neither team has been great, but everyone still bought tickets based on principle. The debate has been ongoing for a while now whether it is still a great rivalry. Well, I think we may have our answer in less than 2 weeks. If this game does not sell out, the rivalry can be officially be declared DEAD. And that is a shame...............

It will take some time for Denver fans to enjoy this selection. But, I do think that he will be a good QB in the future. And, I also agree that all of Denver's problems can't be put on the QB, but that is how the average fan thinks. I mean, look at people on this board and other boards. There are a lot of people who say it is JP's fault when we lose and then give him too much credit when we win. It is somewhere in the middle, but the QB is the MOST WATCHED person on the team, so I guess it is to be expected. The fact is, Losman is improving and Cutler will improve as well. I think they both will be very good QBs in this league.

OK. So, if Losman is not the guy, who is? You can't just come in here saying that Losman is terrible, that he is not the future, that he will never get the job done, and not have a plan. So, you must KNOW who will turn the franchise around. So, who is it? You have to have a plan if you are saying Losman is not the guy. This team, after a couple of key pickups in the offseason (if they do pick up some talent) WILL be a playoff team next season with Losman as QB. They are on pace for where I thought they would be this season......8-8. Give or take a game, this will be a successful season and will put this team in a great mindset heading into next season. If your plan does not include a playoff birth next year, an old QB, or a new project, then your plan is crap. Who are you going to bring in that is better than Losman and that will be our QB of the future (the next 5-8 years)? We don't need any short term solutions.

You must be kidding.........you guys haven't stopped McGahee since he came into the league! He is averageing about 140 ypg against you and your girl Vilma. If Willis played the Jets every week, he would have like 4000 yards rushing! Why don't you try containing him first. Maybe you could hold him to like 135 this week. Nah...........probably not!

Agreed. I think Cutler will be a very good QB in the league. But he is not what the Bills needed last year (some may argue, including me, that Whitner was not what we needed last year either), but we are where we are. We are getting better as a team, but we do need more talent.

That's funny.......I seem to remember Losman WINNING his first game and playing pretty well. So, if you want to compare Cutler's first start to anything, you have to compare it to Losman's first start. Here is a hint......only one of them WON. Also, the fact is, right now, Cutler has a much better team around him than JP does. Remember, Denver was 7-4 with a fantastic defense. So, Cutler is playing on a better overall team. Now, I am not saying Losman is the next Hall of Fame QB in Buffalo, but if you can't see that he is a better and different player this year, then you don't know what you are watching. He is growing up as a QB (especially over the last 4 weeks). His game is evolving and he is starting to find out what he has to do to be successfull (ex. running for 2 3rd downs yesterday and a couple others the last few weeks, becoming a leader in the huddle, etc.). He still has a LONG way to go. But his talent is strating to come out and players are now believing that he can get it done. He needs some more help though. He needs 2 more offensive lineman that can really play (pass block and run block......if they were to get better linemen up front that could actually open a hole for Willis to run through to provide Losman a consistant running game), a solid #2 receiver (PP isn't good enough), and a run stuffing DT that can get the defense off the field faster to give him more opportunities to scrore points. I guess this is what the offseason is for........hopefully they get these needs filled.

Man, you don't have to call this the "worst thread ever." It was a joke. You know that if Denver had won that game, there would have been people saying that. Don't take things so seriously guys. You know me better than that. Just trying to have some fun on a day that could have.....probably should have been much better. We let another one get away here.

Cutler is the greatest!!!!! Just lead his first 4th quarter comeback in his FIRST GAME!!!!! HE IS THE GREATEST! HE HAS "IT!" I know. He threw a 7 yard pass and the WR broke a gazillion tackles. But you know people are going to say he is already better than Losman. Fast is, he has been awful tonight, but if Denver ends up winning this game, get ready for all the "See........I told you we should have drafted Cutler" threads! He has "IT!"

Now!

To answer your questions, what happened was that Adelphia was running the NFL Network on their basic package and then Time Warner bought them out. They kept the NFL Network for a couple of months while they tried to reach an agreement. They couldn't and dropped it. When I confronted them with the Empire Sports costs and the NFL Network replacement, they told me that while I was right about it, not to expect the refund. Yeah, they admitted to me that I was right about the charge and that the refund won't be issued. I realize that all of their customers didn't have this initial charge, but it is not the WNY customers fault they don't have any Empire Sports or NFL Network anymore. So, they either need to put the NFL Network back on or give their Adelphia subscribers a break in cost.

Guess Time Warner screwed up here too. They said that even though we don't get the NFL Network, we would still get all of our hometown BILLS Games!!!! Yeah, I knew the blackout rules applied, but Time Warner made no mention of this! They could have at least taken all of that money that they are not spending on the NFL Network and bought the last few thousand tickets. I can't believe this game did not sell out.

THE POINT IS THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE A CABLE RATE INCREASE JUST FOR ADDING THE NFL NETWORK! WE HAVE ALREADY HAD THAT INCREASE AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN REFUNDED FOR IT! The NFL Network is not forcing any additional costs on TW customers, because TW customers are already paying for it. Until TW moved in and dumped it, we HAD IT ON BASIC CABLE. Also, if you actually read my other posts, you would know that I can't get a dish, or I would have a long time ago. My apartment complex does not allow dishes and even if I had a patio or balcony of my own, we are facing NORTH, so the dish wouldn't work anyway!!!!! Stop trying to defend a company that is already charging $10-$15 more per month for LESS CHANNELS! SCREW TIME WARNER!!!!

IT IS NOT THE CUSTOMER'S FAULT THAT ADELPHIA FOLDED! We are still paying for channels we NO LONGER GET! So, Time Warner HAS NO ARGUMENT WHATSOEVER UNTIL THEY REFUND ALL FORMER ADELPHIA SUBSCRIBERS THEIR $2.22 PER MONTH (While the $2.22 number may not be exact, I do know it was over $2.00 based on other articles I have read). As soon as that refund happens, I will re-evaluate the situation. But us former Adelphia subscribers are already paying for NFL Network.........It is no longer on the system and we are all entitled to a refund. Time Warner has NO ARGUMENT at all here. FACTS ARE FACTS. And the FACT is we are still paying for Empire Sports Network/NFL Network and we no longer get it. SCREW TIME WARNER!

The point is, WHY WOULD THE CABLE COMPANY HAVE TO RAISE THEIR RATES?????????? They are already at least $15-$20 more per month for BASIC cable! Plus, like I said before in another post..........WE CABLE SUBSCRIBERS ARE ALREADY PAYING THE FEE TO HAVE NFL NETWORK!!!!! WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT!!!!!!!!! The cable company charged ever subscriber about $2.22 per mont for the Empire Sports Network. When they left, they put NFL Network in its place. NOW WE HAVE NEITHER! And I have not gotten a $2.22 reduction of my bill every month for not having those channels!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO, WE ARE ALREADY PAYING ALMOST 3X MORE ALREADY THAN THE NFL IS ASKING EACH SUBSCRIBER TO PAY AND WE HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT! ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THE CABLE COMPANY IN THIS DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! SCREW TIME WARNER!

Like I said in the other thread, we are in an apartment complex with no balcony or patio. On top of that, we are on the NORTH side!!!! So we can't get a view of the southern sky. Other people may be able to do this. and I encourage them to. TIME WARNER IS NOTHING MORE THAT A GREEDY MONOPOLY THAT WILL CONTINUE TO SCREW IT'S CUSTOMERS AS LONG AS THEY CAN! SCREW TIME WARNER!

Thanks for the info. I just PM'd you back with a response basically stating that we are screwed. We are facing the NORTH in our apartment and we have no balcony or patio. So, until we move, we are screwed. Oh well. I hope that information helps someone! SCREW TIME WARNER!

You do realize that us former Adelphia subscribers are ALREADY PAYING FOR IT, RIGHT? The fact is that when Adelphia brought on the Empire Sports Network each subscriber had their cable rates raised about $2.22 PER MONTH. Then when Empire Sports Network left, we were given NFL Network as a substitutaion. NOW WE HAVE NEITHER!!!! So, when is Time Warner going to give all of their subscribers their $2.22 PER MONTH back??????????????????????????????? I guess Time Warner chooses to ignore the fact that we are already paying for a network we no longer get. TIME WARNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THIS! To everyone who does have the opportunity, PLEASE GET A DISH! SCREW TIME WARNER!

Let's see........Over 200 other cable companies provide the NFL Network to their customers. Dish and DirecTV provide it free to their customers (FOR A LOT LESS MONEY PER MONTH IN SUBSCRIPTION FEES, I MIGHT ADD). And Time Warner does NOTHING for their customers! I am already paying almost $60 PER MONTH for BASIC CABLE!!!!!! And, I get less channels that I would if I had DirecTV for $39.95 PER MONTH! Anyone who defends Time Warner in all of this is crazy. I just wish my apartment complex would allow us to get a dish. TW is PURE CRAP!

A little bit of both. Mario Williams is a good player (not great by any means), but he was slowed with an injury today. HOWEVER, as down as I have been on the O-Line this year, I will not take anything away from what they did in this game. They provided solid pass protection all day. If it wasn't for Thomas completely wiffing on a protection pickup, there would have been no sacks today (on a side note.....I hope today will put to rest the whole "Thomas is better than McGahee" CRAP that we have been hearing over the past several weeks. In the last 2 weeks.....against 2 of the WORST RUN DEFENSES in the league, Thomas managed a spectacular 3.5 YPC average! I am not bashing Thomas. I like the way he runs and he has done a good job filling in, but he doesn't have near the talent of McGahee. The fact is, the O-Line is just not good enough for either runner to be great. But for all those that said Thomas is better because he doesn't miss blocks and runs better and picks up short yardage, the last 2 weeks have clearly showed that he is not the best RB on this team. In fact, he not only missed that block in the Texans' game, but was stopped on 3rd and short in the Texans' game and struggled last week as well. Is Thomas a better option on 3rd and short? Maybe. But the fact still remains our O-Line can't knock anyone backwards off the ball when necessary.) But anyways, I am done with my rant. The O-Line is STILL not good enough, but they were better today. Losman was able to sit back there and make reads most of the time. They were solid overall today, but don't be fooled......they are not good enough. But, I will save that for another day. Today is a day to give credit where credit is due and they did get the job done today.

HA! He had another TD today!!!!

YUP! All his fault too! He should have been benched after the 3rd one!!!! What is he still doing in there?????? He is awful! HA!

You fail to point out that Farve turned the ball over 4 times!!!!!!!!! I am not saying that JP is the answer, but it is just the way it goes sometimes. The fact is, you have to let Losman play the rest of the season no matter what happens. Craig Nall IS NOT the QB of the future here. Holcomb IS NOT the QB of the future here. If Losman does not get it done the rest of the year, he probably will not be the QB of the future either. THE FACT IS, that if JP Losman is not the QB of the future, the QB of the future IS NOT ON THIS ROSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are a lot of problems on this team. JP is contributing to these problems. But THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN BENCH HIM THIS SEASON!!!! I find it very funny that everyone blames Donahoe for not fixing the line, but yet they want the fancy new QB that will have the same TERRIBLE LINE in front of him. As I have been saying all along, if you get a dominant O-LINE, an average QB will look like a SUPERSTAR!!!!! Same for a RB!!!! I am sure everyone out there would have said Edge James was a SUPERSTAR BACK, but now he is in AZ and runs for 50 yards on 30 carries. Did Edge get worse????? NO!!!!!!!!!!!! The line did. If you have a BAD LINE, the QB and RB WILL BE BAD no matter how much talent they have!!!!!!!! Again, I am not saying JP is the answer......he holds the ball too long and locks onto receivers. At times he looks like he doesn't know what he is seeing in the defense. BUT, he was under a lot of pressure most of the day (he was responsible for 2 of the sacks he took today) and our receivers WERE NOT OPEN!!! The Bills insist on running pass patterns 20-30 yards down the field most every play instead of throwing screens and slants to loosen up the D. They rarely test the D LONG down the field (even to try to get a pass interference call). The right side of the line is AWFUL (CV and Pennington were BAD). The only place they could run was left because the right side was getting blown up ALL DAY. So, there are a lot of problems on offense. Not just the QB. JP MUST BE GIVEN THE REST OF THE SEASON. There is no way we can dump him after this year without knowing for sure what we have (I an just hear this board 2 years from now if he was to finally "get it" somewhere else behind a better line and became a Pro Bowl QB..............HOLY SMOKES!!!!!!!!!!) Again, I am not saying it will happen. The guy may not have what it takes. But, he does have all the physical tools to do the job. WE NEED TO FIND OUT, FOR SURE, whether or not he will ever get it. You can't do that after 16 starts in the NFL (only 8 starts in this offensive system). JP NEEDS TO GET THE REST OF THE YEAR. Then we will see where we are at.

Fact is, Brady sat down........The Bills did not just kill him!!! They just lightly tackled him. Sure, maybe by the book it is close, but it is not like the Bills just lit him up. No hit to the head, no rough tackle, nothing. Just wrapped him up. I have seen much worse, not called. But anyways, that play had nothing to do with anything. This team is BAD and in need of a HUGE talent influx. There needs to be a BIG turnover in the players that are on this team. We have a long ways to go and have gotten worse EVERY week. I never would have thought that this team would get worse as the year went along, but they have and whatever "mental toughness" this team was supposed to have is completely gone. They need 4 new O-Lineman and 3 new D-Lineman before this team will ever be decent again. This team is awful to watch.

We have one of the DUMBEST TEAMS IN HISTORY. I don't have to wait until the end of the game to write my post game report, because this team keeps making the SAME DUMB MISTAKES WEE IN AND WEEK OUT! Stupid penalties, poor decisions, and some of the worst tackling in the history of the NFL. This team will never win another game until they stop making these same DUMB MISTAKES. They are killing themselves on EVERY drive either through STUPID penalties or poor play. Losman, although he played pretty well int he first half has 2 turnovers (AGAIN). The fumble is tough to put on him because CV couldn't block his man one bit, but IN NO CIRCUMSTANCES can you throw that INT. He locked on to Evans and NEVER looked anywhere else. Every defense in the NFL (excepts maybe ours) makes that pick. SAME DUMB MISTAKES. Our RUN D is TERRIBLE and has given up 2 TD runs that should not have happened. We can't tackle at all. Yeah, we are getting some pressure on Brady, but they have had trouble finishing at times. Heck, Brady even sat down for a sack and apparently they can't touch him when he gives up. Awful call by the Refs there, but really, all they had to do was touch him with 1 finger. Overall, I thought the Bills played well enough to be in this game, maybe winning it, BUT THIS TEAM CAN'T GET OUT OF ITS OWN WAY. We are beating ourselves and it has been happening most every week. Until they get the 'STUPID' removed from their head, we may not win another game.