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One QB is just about perfect coming out of the half leading 2 TD drives.......The other has accounted for negative yardage while looking like a fool. Care to guess which one is ours?

Joe Webb > Tyrod Taylor

Tyrod has done nothing but help the Cheatriots* in the first half. Can't make simple throws. Even down 6-0.....I might consider a change if this goes much longer. You can't win when you can't score. I have no idea if Peterman can get it done, but maybe he's better coming off the bench instead of starting! HA! This team, though.....man. What I wouldn't give for a real QB on this roster. Tired of watching a QB that holds the ball too long, never throws to WRs, and even when he checks down, can't throw an accurate ball. Even if we were average at the position, we might have a chance, but this is pathetic.

If we only had a QB.......

Obviously there was a lot of confusion as to who everyone was talking about in the last few posts. To keep the board coherent, I have cleaned it up and made sure everyone is on the same page. In the end, what it comes down to if there is still any confusion, is that we all like Mayfield a lot more than Rudolph. We all think that Mayfield could be a special player in the NFL if he gets his head on straight and gets into the right situation. This Championship game has been a good example of what he can be capable of at the next level.

Mayfield just made 3 back to back to back throws against TCU that were NFL caliber. The first one he eluded a ton of pressure in the pocket, kept his eyes downfield and stuck a throw into his WR along the sideline. The next was a real stron pass over the middle between 2 defenders. And then, he caps a drive with a beautiful play action pass from under center for a TD. Pretty much everything you want to see from a QB in 3 pass plays. I would classify Mayfield's "poor judgements" as just that. I think it is more immaturity than anything else. In a vacuum, I don't think they are all that big of a deal. Should he be doing some of the stuff he's doing? Of course not. But they are not the type of actions that alienate his team. In fact, I think you could make the argument that his teammates love him even more. If you watched his last game where he was benched for the first few series, his teammates couldn't wait for him to get in there. The fans were chanting his make and were so pumped when he came in. Immature at times, yes.....but man....his teammates love him and will follow him anywhere. That's what I want in a QB.

Watched every game this season for both guys. Both bring good things to the table. I actually like both in a lot of ways, but I am taking Mayfield of the 2. Rudolph throws a lot of nice balls, especially the deep ball, but everything he has done in out of shotgun. Also, for a guy his size, his arm, while good enough, isn't as big as I would expect for someone that big. However, I am one to believe you can get a stronger arm over time and with the right coaching, I think he could be a good one. Mayfield on the other hand is obviously a much smaller guy, but he does have enough arm strength to make all the necessary throws. Obviously height is a bit of a concern, but if you watch him, there is not an area of the field he cann't see, or avoids because of it. He throws it all over every part of the field and is super accurate. He's not afraid to challenge a defense deep and will hang in the pocket until the last possible moment to make a play. While not a speedster or the most elusive guy in the world, he can move a little bit. Love his passion and intensity. You can just tell he loves it and that's the kind of guy I want leading my team. Immature at times.....yes. But if he can learn to channel his passion in the right way, he's a guy you'll want leading your team. Honestly, when I watch Mayfield, I see all the makings of the next Drew Brees. Accurate, strong enough arm, and can sling it all over the field despite his size. I know some won't agree, but I see him as a guy that will start flying up boards and go a lot earlier than some believe. Some see him as a late first or even second rounder. I bet before it's over he goes top 15......maybe even top 10. I think he is just going to fly up the board. Would I rather have Rosen or Darnold? Yes.....but Mayfield might be my number 3 guy right now. If he's not, he may get that high before the draft.

Our QB is not currently in the NFL. He will be drafted. Why pay big money for a guy that isn't a sure fire top 5 QB in the NFL? The answer is, you don't. No matter what reports or armchair QBs say, there is talent in this year's QB draft. You can pick apart every single guy and say there are flaws in every guy. But there is a lot that goes into evaluating a QB including the talent around them and the coaching staff in place. Also, sometimes the disparity in opponents in college is a lot more than in the NFL. So yeah....the top guys in the Draft that were all praised last season going into this year might not be getting the same praise, but make no mistake about it......there is a lot of QB talent in this Draft. The key is weeding through all the flaws (which may be a result of something not in their control) and finding the right guy with the right makeup and the natural talent and ability to take steps forward in the NFL. So you can go shopping for the NFL retreads all you want, but I'm looking at the Draft and finding my guy there.

I guess we know now why he refuses to change his game, why he refuses to go downfield, throw into tight windows, make regular NFL throws that you see in every other game excepts ours...... He already believes he's good. He already believes he is in the same class as the best QBs in the NFL. Asking for Pro Bowl votes, that at it's core years ago were meant for the best players in the NFL, shows that he is not aware of how behind the elite players in this game he really is. No wonder he has a lack of awareness of what he needs to improve on.....he already thinks he is in the top echelon of QBs in this league. We need to get a real QB in here ASAP.

No matter how this game turns out, the Cheatriots* are going to kill us next week. We have no QB and the most conservative play calling ever because of it. The defense, while a little better overall today, will get gashed again by good QB.

If only Peterman had as much time to throw as Tyrod has today, I think he is probably still playing. That said.....get a real QB on this team ASAP!!!

If Tyrod was a decent QB at all, that pitch play never has to be called. Get a QB and many of the other things take care of themselves.

Hopefully Tolbert has taken his last snap on offense this season.....

Man....must be nice to have a MLB like Ragland. Hopefully we'll be able to get someone like him someday....

Playing Brees and Rivers...... Don't worry, a reality check is coming again next week. Amazing what a good QB can do.....

And when we're down 27-3 at halftime (which could happen) and the offense hasn't moved the ball, then what? At this point, I think we probably get blown out the next 2 weeks no matter who the QB is, so maybe play Tyrod the next 2 games and then go to Peterman for the rest of the year starting at home vs Indy. I hope nobody is kidding themselves here. The next couple weeks could get ugly really quick no matter who was named the starter today.

Tad Dickman‏ @Tdickman89 40m40 minutes ago THE DAREUS EFFECT: Entering Week 9, @Jaguars ranked last in the NFL in rush defense, allowing 138.6 YPG. JAX traded for DT @marcelldareus on Oct. 28. In three games since his acquisition, JAX allowing 55.3 rushing YPG.

Tad Dickman‏ @Tdickman89 40m40 minutes ago THE DAREUS EFFECT: Entering Week 9, @Jaguars ranked last in the NFL in rush defense, allowing 138.6 YPG. JAX traded for DT @marcelldareus on Oct. 28. In three games since his acquisition, JAX allowing 55.3 rushing YPG.

To all the posters that will undoubtedly trash each other in this thread, remember 1 thing..... Just because the new QB failed his first test, doesn't mean that the old QB is good. The fact is, our QB of the future is not on the roster. So, whether you are a Tyrod fan or a Peterman fan, it really doesn't matter. Just because they both are not good doesn't mean you have to fight about which one is less terrible than the other one. Really can't wait for the draft at this point. We need a real QB on this team.....whoever that may be.

Yes.....yes he did....

237 Yards 2 TDs 2 Picks 15 Yards Rushing

Obviously this is a big change and I am in full support of the decision. Could it turn out to be a complete disaster? Sure. But I am one that truly believes we have seen both Taylor's floor and ceiling. We're not going to win a Championship with Tyrod Taylor at QB. In the end, that's really all this game is about. That said....Peterman could be great, or he could be terrible. That remains to be seen. There isn't a lot of information to go off of yet. We likely won't have enough information even if he plays the rest of the season. I mean, there might be so glaring weaknesses in his game that we will be able to spot right away and maybe they won't be correctable. One of the biggest concerns I have is about his arm. Not sure he has NFL arm strength. But, there are a lot of QBs in this league, including some of the very best, that don't have the biggest arm in the world, but they know how to mask it by making quicker decisions and getting the ball out sooner than normal to compensate for that. Will Peterman have that trait? We don't know yet. Anyway, the point of my post was to link to this pretty good write-up about Peterman's debut. It's easy to say this was garbage time, etc..... but I think there is enough information here to show that even though it was garbage time, it wasn't like the Saints were just sitting back letting the Bills do what they wanted. Take a look. Many of you are familiar with these guys already, but they really do some great work. http://www.cover1.net/qb-nathan-peterman-showed-of-his-skillset-in-the-4th-quarter/ Is Peterman the answer? Nobody knows. But it's at least going to be interesting to watch and find out......

Can't believe there are till people out there defending Tyrod....... Getting kind of embarrassing at this point. Look, I like the guy just fine. He would be a great backup to have on any team. But he is not going to lead any team to a Super Bowl.

In a word.....plenty. Why? Because he took his drop, planted his feet, made his reads, made a decision, and threw the ball. The ball can out in rhythem and on time. Would he have had more time if he needed it? Maybe. We'll never know because he didn't need it. He is not one to hold the ball any longer than necessary to make a decision. He throws on time and has a pretty quick release. If you want to know the exact time it took him from snap to release, check out the video in the original post.

I'm just going to leave this here: Before Dareus trade, The Jags allowed 138 yards per game on the ground. After Dareus deal, they have allowed 116 yards rushing combined the last two weeks.