GunnerBill

I did warch the playoff games back on all 22 and I do think you are wrong. You haven't watched the all22 you have watched a couple of twitter posts and are spitballing.

I don't disagree the Bills were beaten mentally on that play both coaching wise and execution wise. But even Josh says he got the protection call wrong. It is idiotic to try and deny that as a contributory factor. But to the point of this debate.... Spencer was "abysmal" in the playoffs because of that one rep? Is that your argument? That is even more idiotic.

True. Was a significant coaching upgrade. But also Mitchell and DeJean were significant pieces.

It worked for the Eagles!

Karlaftis wins the rep but he is way out to the right. If the middle of the pocket stays in any way intact he has zero chance of getting anywhere near Josh. That was a failure of the protection call. Spags fooled Josh pre-snap and Josh made the wrong protection adjustment. Karlaftis only has even a slight chance of affecting that play because Josh ends up scrambling to him. And that is one play. His run blocking in the Kansas City game was awesome. And he was really good in the other two games. Saying he was abysmal in the playoffs because of that one rep - which was not even the biggest cause of failure on that play is a frankly ludicrous take.

I have had two conversations in the last two weeks with posters here who still want to argue he can play outside (not permanently but as a move receiver) and one person even said they expect him to be used next season "more like Diggs was for us." Maybe that is a minority and it influences my pick because it is recent but I do think consistently since he arrived there have been Bills fans predicting him to be something he hasn't been. I think he is what he is. My season prediction for him last season was absolutely spot on the money. But if you go back to that thread there were a lot of people predicting over 1,000 yards.

Eh? He was not abysmal in the playoffs.

I agree with @Kirby Jackson it depends whether you mean by Bills fans or by the general NFL media / talking heads. By Bills fans: Overrated: Shakir Underrated: Oliver By wider NFL media etc: Overrated: Kincaid Underrated: Benford

I genuinely don't think that will happen. If he is here I can see him holding out of camp but post Lev Bell my sense is agents do not tell their guys to hold out for half a season. Bell was never the same player after.

It wouldn't have been the way I went about it.

Yea me too. Harmon > Grant. I also don't have my board in front of me. Grant may be a tad higher on mine but we are only talking late 30s.

I have Mason Graham #1, Nolen #2. I love Nolen. But I still just question how you get he and Ed Oliver onto the field at the same time. If we didn't already have Ed I would be banging the table very hard for Walter Nolen.

Barron would not have been a good pick. Again just strategically, off the ball linebacker with a trade up in the top 10. Yuck.

Yea I think that is right. It is 5th out of those 5 positions. But nobody is saying prioritise it over WR, LT, QB, EDGE if you have guys of the same tier there to take. Where I take issue with Bill is he would literally never draft one in the first round. In 2012 when the Bills took Gilmore he was the best player available at a premium position. To get a guy who went after that you can make a reasonable case was on Gilmore's level at a premium position you have to go down as far as Russell Wilson in the 3rd. Now in hindsight that would have been a great pick. But Russ wasn't seen as that level of guy by anyone coming out, even those who liked him. In 2017 you can have a legitimate argument about TJ Watt who went a few picks after a Tre but he is realistically the only one. Again in terms of determining the BPA at a premium spot those were both good selections. You can criticise the draft strategy from 2017, that's legitimate, but it is a different question than the Tre pick.

I like him a lot. Risky in terms of 1 year production but he really pops on film.

Because not everything is about the Bills alone.

They did it. And I applaud them for doing so. They hadn't hired a coach almost old enough to be President. Raiders are NOT going QB at #6.

The Raiders are not going QB at 6. This is the final nail in that coffin. You don't hire a 70 odd year old Head Coach let him bring his placeholder QB from his last place in, then extend said QB to waste draft capital on a replacement. They are gonna try and win now with Grandpa Pete and Geno.

I think outside corners are a premium position (alongside QB, pass rusher, left tackle and outside receiver). And I think what should take priority is the best player available at a premium position. When you do that well - as the Bills did with Gilmore and White it can prove itself worthwhile. When they do it badly it doesn't matter if it is Elam at corner or Williams at tackle or Maybin at edge.... it will be a disaster.

Depends what you do with his DIME snaps. His usage last year was: 1. Slot corner 2. Dime 3. Deep safety 4 Outside corner (only 8 snaps) But if you add 2 and 3 together they come to more than 1. So depends what you do with the dime snaps.

I don't remember the 2001 draft, before my time. The problem with Whitner and McKelvin wasn't the position they played. It was talent evaluation. Mike Williams was a blocker. He didn't help us win any games either, cos he sucked. Aaron Maybin was a pass rusher, he didn't help us win any games, cos he sucked. You can throw Kaiir Elam into that mix too. The problem wasn't that he wae a corner. It was that he was a bad player. But the Gilmore pick and the White pick were good. Sure you can question the strategy in 2017 of not taking Mahomes when they had no Quarterback. But they didn't pass on Mahomes to draft Tre White. The two decisions were independent of one another. They passed on Mahomes because McDermott didn't trust himself or the lame duck GM to pick a Quarterback and he wanted his buddy in place to run that process a year later. And while they got lucky to an extent with Josh it was commonly accepted in the run up to the 2017 Draft that the 2018 Quarterback class looked stacked. I remember seeing Charlie Casserley on NFL Network after the 2017 Combine saying "if they were eligible this year three of next year's Quarterbacks would go 1,2,3." But you can't argue he passed on Mahomes because he wanted a corner who he had no idea would still be available 17 picks later. And Tre White DID help us win games. Instantly. Like the moment he stepped into the building. In the season the Bills went 9-7 and broke our 17 year playoff drought rookie Tre White had THREE game sealing turnovers. A fumble forced and recovered vs the Buccaneers on their final drive in a one score game. An interception vs the Chiefs on their final drive in a one score game and an interception vs the Dolphins on their final drive in a one score game. It is not stretching the point to say without him 2017 coulda been a same old Bills 6-10.

He did run some 3rd down routes. That is not what I am saying. But the reason he "went in" in 3rd down packages was because of his pass pro ability. They didn't then always ask him to just protect. Sometimes he protected. Sometimes he chipped and slipped and sometimes he ran a route.

Ty is our best pass protector. That is the main reason he is out there in 3rd down. Cook isn't a great pass blocker but he isn't a total liability either. What Cook has that is elite is his vision. and I mean ELITE vision. He sees creases 80% of NFL backs don't see. I am not here pounding the table for the Bills to extend James Cook. He is a running back. I don't love paying running backs. But if we end up starting Ray Davis next year or in 2026 make no mistake that is a downgrade at the position and it will be a noticeable one.

With the 41st pick of the 2025 TSW Mock Draft extravaganzza version 1.0, Da Bears select: Luther Burden III, Wide Reciever, Missouri. This would probably have been my pick at #39 and I'd have addressed Dline here. But it works out the other way around. This season for Chicago is about one thing and one thing only - how do we evaluate Caleb Williams? So you have to give him as much around him as you can. The Bears need an upgrade at left tackle but the left tackles are all off the board and I am not doing the Bears thing of taking a right tackle and pretending he might be able to play left, see Jenkins, Tevin and Wright, Darnell. So I am gonna give them a weapon. I am on record earlier in the process saying I thought Burden was slightly overrated when he was seen as a top 20 pick. I don't think he is that. He is a weapon with the ball in his hands but he isn't a route runner. He is ideal in the slot where you can just tell him to find space and be available to his quarterback and where Ben Johnson can scheme things up for him. Here he represents really good value and while the Bears signed a couple of slot receivers in free agency in Zaccheaus and Duvernay they were both to peanuts contract wise. I'm not gonna go into 2026 not knowing on my Quarterback. It's time to put up or shut up. @DJB and the New Jersey Jets are now on the clock.

Ha. I will get to it shortly. Probably not immediately as in back of uber and get car sick looking at phone!