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14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
In a FN heartbeat.
Yup
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3 hours ago, JohnC said:
A fresh start with a new HC would have been a clear line of demarcation from the failure of the past to a new start that didn't include the ridiculous losing history of the recent past. If as you noted Jackson was instrumental in the qb decision not to select Wentz then there was a greater reason to fire him.
If the owner was reluctant to follow the wishes of the newly appointed GM who wanted to replace Jackson because of financial reasons then that was a shortsighted decision. The decision to get the right HC has a greater bearing on team success and in the end resulting in increasing revenue. This is a case of penny wise and dollar foolish.
I could not agree more.
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2 hours ago, DCOrange said:
I don’t think Cleveland should take Barkley honestly. Hyde/Duke is a good RB duo as is and with all their Day 2 picks, they can add another very good RB without having to use the #4 pick to do so.
I dont think they’ll hit 8 wins this season but I don’t think buffalo will either. It’ll be close between the two teams this year but I like how Cleveland is building their team.
Agree on all thing she Cleveland. I think they’re another year away from finding their footing though. As for records, I’ll wait until closer to the season to make my predictions.
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7 hours ago, JohnC said:
We have had this discussion before where we both believe that the Browns have more younger core players than we do. And we both agree (I think) that if the Brown wisely use their draft capital and cap space that they can make a quantum leap forward with the impending infusion of talent.
The Browns installed a respected GM who surrounded himself with good football people. What I don't understand is why the new GM didn't clear out the coaching staff and start fresh. I'm not suggesting that Hue Jackson is a bad coach. However, he is a coach who represents the failed past. I thought that the new GM should have hired his own HC and make it clear that the franchise was on a new path.
The mistake that the Browns made was the same crushing mistake that the Bills made in that it declined or delayed to draft a high end qb prospect when they had the opportunity to do so. They passed on Goff and Wentz and last year they passed on Watson. They took Kizer in the second round when prior to that selection they could have had Watson.
Haslam kept Hue Jackson against Dorsey’s wishes because of clauses in his contract that would have dramatically escalated his compensation if he was fired before the start of the 2018 season. Expect him to have a very short leash if the season starts off poorly. Haslam should have eaten that contract anyway. Notably Sashi Brown wanted to draft Wentz at 2 but Jackson didn’t want him. Despite Hue spinning it the other way later that was known at the time of the trade to the Iggles.
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10 hours ago, Klaista2k said:
If we wanted to trade with the Browns for the 1st pick in the draft do you think they'd accept this offer?
Bills gets:
2018 Browns 1st overall pick
2018 Browns 4th round (101)
Cleveland gets:
2018
Bills 1st round (12 overall)
Bills 1st round (22nd overall)
Bills 2nd rounder (53rd)
Bills 3rd rounder (65th)
2019
Bills 1st round pick
Would that be enough to get it done?
No. The Browns aren’t trading #1 overall. You’re probably looking at something like 12/22/53/65 for 4.
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21 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:
Yeah but they bump out two players from top 51. That makes the first rounders more like 3.5 mill right? Later rounds are not expensive at all. Over the cap has you 10 mil number but that just adds the cost of all the picks. I don’t think it considers the top 51. Is @BarleyNY around to give his thoughts on the cap cost of the draft? I remember him having good insight last year.
@YattaOkasan Thank you. Yes, the Rule of 51 applies until final cut down day. Also correct that the draft pick number by OTC does not consider that rule. See, you don’t need me. ?
The one cap number that really sticks out is the dead money: $36M. That’s brutal. This is a season to dump the older players and usher in the new generation, starting with a drafted QB who will (hopefully) be the future of the franchise.
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Stupidest contract of the season so far. But you had to know that somebody was going to do something like it for him.
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8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
Nah Not too soon but already discussed ......
Currently only 34 players under contract.
I'd post the link to ,my 2018 thread, but people get touchy when I do .
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/yearly/cap/
Wow. Not a lot of important players signed beyond 2019 either.
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On 2/16/2018 at 1:11 PM, Jay_Fixit said:
Kiper is the Fresno of analysts.
He made his mark years ago when he was the only media person dialed into front offices around the league. Now no one is and he’s just living off of his old reputation.
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20 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Right, so let's say we say "Cordy Glenn, or a 2018 1st". Wouldn't the receiving team be all like "look, if you're willing to offer us a 1st how about you just do that deal instead?" Or alternatively, it kind of leaves us in limbo because they can throw Glenn and his salary back at us and take our pick at their option.
I would think that would be a bad deal for us, from a salary cap and draft capital management position.
The real issue it is that we aren’t going to get that much for Glenn on draft day. We could probably get it from a desperate contender who has an injury at LT after the season starts. That’s the time for premiums to be paid. But not on draft day. He’d go at a discount. I do like that you’re trying to find a way to get a QB though. I’d certainly sell out for one I believed in. I just don’t see how the Bills can climb up to the top of this draft. They’ll have to find another way to get one.
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Notably players tend to have the least value on draft day. QBs will always get a premium but any other position will be looked at as a dump by the team getting rid of them. Bad fit for new scheme or other issues - health, contract, attitude, etc. Draft weekend is a much better time to acquire a player than trade one away.
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Usually there’s an alternate compensation agreed upon should a traded player fail a physical. Player X or draft pick Y. IIRC Chip Banks was originally included in the trade that netted the Browns Bernie Kosar in the supplemental draft. He refused to report to San Diego and they got a first round pick instead.
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Here is a nice interactive chart from Drafttek:
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=Buf
And here is a chart showing the total value of total draft picks for all teams:
http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings
The Bills rank 6th.
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1 hour ago, billykay said:
I agree with you, 26. I was only commenting that taking 2 QBs and trading one isn't much different than taking one & trading the 2nd pick.
The big difference is that teams’ rookie caps are based on the actual slots they pick at. Say the Browns picked Darnold or Rosen at 1, then Allen or Mayfield at 4 before trading him to a team picking much later in the first. The Browns would have a much larger rookie pool than they needed (no real problem there), but the team trading up would have some real difficulties with that QB’s contract. They couldn’t pay him like the 4th overall pick because of the rules for rookie pools and rookie contracts. Thus it would be prohibitively difficult for a team to make a big trade for a player already drafted by a team. The Browns only trading partners would be the team’s with the next 2 or 3 picks.
1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:I don't believe they can afford to do that with the state of their franchise. They have a lot of cap space in addition to premium picks that they need to hit on to make their team competitive as soon as possible.
The Browns plan is to add a vet and take a QB at 1 unless they find a FQB in free agency. I can’t imagine that they think Cousins is such a player, but you never know.......
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7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
That's interesting, how do you know (on the agent).
Agree, SF didn't swap a 2nd round pick for a half-year rental. They wanted to get him in town and check him out before paying the big bucks.
Ive got an inside source in another city (not Buffalo or Boston). He knew the scoop and shared. That’s all I know about it.
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I would. Incidentally it wouldn’t be both of this year’s firsts, it would be our natural 1st this year and next. But it won’t happen. JG’s agent was instrumental in getting him to the team he thought would be best for him. He actually worked with NE brass to make it happen. He’s staying in SF (unfortunately).
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I met Brian Daboll a couple years ago. His daughter, who already lived in the Buffalo area with his ex wife, was on my daughter’s soccer team. I can’t say much except that he was a nice person. His fiancée at the time (I think) and daughter also were also good people. Guessing they are married by now if they weren’t.
Looks like a good hire hire from a football standpoint too.
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One of my all time favorite announcers in any sport. Rest In Peace, Mr. Jackson.
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58 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
Mans people seem to really struggle with the difference between “more or less likely” and “bet your child’s life guarantee”
we we can be a statistical long shot and still get in without ruining models. In fact, that happening sometimes helps support the model. If you project a 30% chance and it NEVER happens, that’s strange.
Yup. Not a lot of people understand statistics or modeling.
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3 hours ago, boater said:
538 also predicted HRC for President.
I follow 538 quite a bit. As Election Day neared they only had HRC as a very slight favorite - and that was with the caveat that there was a very real possibility of Trump winning due to the potential of high turnout among many people typically considered unlikely to vote. They were the only unbiased outlet that I saw give Trump a real chance to win.
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6 hours ago, BigDingus said:
You will find a direct correlation with the Tyrod faithful & those who think that way. I've already counted a few obvious ones so far.
They are now going to pretend franchise QB's aren't the most important thing in the sport, and that mediocrity at the position is fine because "look at some of these far superior players who also didn't make the playoffs every year!"Yup. The OP is just offering the same fallacious reasoning we’ve seen before: Look! There are teams with highly paid/franchise QBs that aren’t in the playoff! Ergo it isn’t important to have one. Obviously that’s stupid. What they miss is the massive importance of having a FQB where winning a SB is the goal.
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6 hours ago, What a Tuel said:
Honestly I think Bills players could be super well liked (or hated) just as well as any of the other teams. Market size plays a factor but there are successful small market teams out there, and I don't think it explains the inconsistencies in officiating the Patriots.
I think Kraft has a lot of influence in the NFL, and I think he exerts that influence to his fellow owners dismay. I think the Owners were fed up and told Goodell to make the Patriots pay for deflategate because they are just tired of it.
The Bills would need some star power and popularity for that. They don’t have it at this moment.
There is one thing that trumps ratings - Goodell’s authority. Don’t cross him or you get hosed. The Saints found out the hard way with Bountygate. Goodell told them to stop and they didn’t. The hammer came down. Josh Gordon lied to Goodell’s face and got hammered. Kraft and the Patriots got away with a lot for very little punishment, but Goodell had to follow through with Brady’s suspension. It was a matter of preserving his authority.
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15 hours ago, 87168 said:
Yea. He looks amazing. Just irks me. While I never expected him to be traded within the division, but it would be amazing if we had a shot
We did not. The Patriots were asking more of AFC teams than NFC teams for him - even from the Browns. No way they give him up to another AFCE team. It was also rumored the Belichick wanted to trade Brady and sign Garoppolo long term, but that was nixed by Kraft. At the time I assumed that the rumor was just posturing to get more in trade for him, but now I believe it.
Again, bills HAVE called up to browns for first overall
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Honestly, every competent GM would call on all of the other teams with high picks - except the teams in their own division. It’s due diligence and it means nothing (except that our GM is competent). They are all gauging the market.