BarleyNY
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If Little is standing out as one of the most consistient WRs, then I'm even more concerned about that group than I was. I say that somewhat tongue in cheek. Little has always been a physical specimen and an excellent blocker, but one with hands of stone. When he was with the Browns I read reports of him doing things like spending extra time after practice with the JUGS machine, but I also heard rumors that he didn't dedicate himself to his profession like he should have. He'd be a hell of a find if he did dedicate himself and if his hands did somehow become reliable. Admittedly the hands are a huge "if" and I'm going to need to see real proof before I believe it, but his upside is huge. A sure handed Little would help this team enormously.
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Really hope this isn't serious. There are three players the Bills can't afford to lose this season: Watkins, Taylor or Glenn. It'd suck to lose a lot of others, but any of those would be devastating.
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The tea leaves are powerful at TBD.
Wait, those aren't TEA leaves!
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Thanks, HopefulThanks Barley! Interesting.
RG3 just started with him since signing with the Browns. Hue Jackson is close with House and training with him enables RG3 to get extra work in with a guy who is teaching the same things the same way.did RG3 get his money back?
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MMQB talks about QB guru Tom House, whom Tyrod Taylor has worked with. Also some Whaley discussion in Four Downs #2.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/08/03/tom-house-quarterback-nfl-training-camp-notes
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Crap. Sometimes those are worse, sometimes not. Hopefully he just tweaked something.@mikerodak
Rex Ryan says Ragland injury "looked odd" because he wasn't hit. "But sometimes those can be the worse ones," Ryan acknowledges.
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Bills need to protect themselves if Tyrod plays average to great. When it comes time to renegotiate the Bills will have nothing to stand on other than the franchise tag. The tag is a nice card to have in your pocket but that virtually guarantees he doesn't stay for year 3. Plus 21M is hard to carry under the cap.
I agree that it'd be nice for the Bills to have a deal in place for 2-3 more years (effectively) and not to worry about using a tag on him next season. But I disagree that using it means he's gone the following year. I doubt Taylor would sign it. He'd force a long term deal or trade. $21M isn't that far out of line for a top half of the league QB and it's a great deal if you got him for $3M the previous season. That's a $12M per year average.
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What's frustrating about this is Dwight freeney was available. He's 10x's the player IK is. Love me some Doug Whaley, but I don't understand why we didn't give him a look. Give anybody a look. IK is awful. I'm praying striker can show us something and earn some PT. Lawson's injury is certainly scary and will affect his play
Freeney certainly makes sense, but don't overestimate what you'd get out of him at this point. He's at the end of his career and would just be a guy you'd rotate in as a pass rush specialist. Not that that wouldn't be a help.
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I was benching close to that much and I'm 2 months out and the physical therapist has me benching with 5 lb dumbbells and I still don't have normal range of motion. Manny, if he does play week 1, won't be 100%. JPP showed last year that while not impossible it's definitely tough to play the position with 1 arm, especially if you don't have the strength to bull rush a 300 pound lineman
Thanks for the insight. Any idea whether or not he'd have an increased risk of re-injury if he came back at the point you are now?
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Generally I would agree with you, but, there are topics that are so ill thought out (several of yours come to mind) that they demand to be ridiculed.
The alternative is deeming the thread as not contributing positively...
I literally scrolled back up to see if Gugny started this thread.
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From Pro Football Reference - "The #Bills gave up 17.2 yards per kick return, the lowest total in the league".
I've built the case for Jordan Gay a million times and I know that 5% of people give a ****, even less can be swayed by me. If you're a team that values special teams, which the Bills seem to do, you know that Dan Carpenter and his line drive kickoffs are bad for you. Jordan Gay is a necessary evil in the field position battle but I'd rather just find a kicker that can do both.
Colton Schmidt had 34 touchbacks on 62 kickoffs at UC Davis. If the team felt he was capable, I'm fairly sure he would be taking them. For whatever reason, they don't.
Jordan Gay = good. Deal with it.
The kicking game is a beautiful thing but I'm fighting a losing battle with a country that seems to think the other football is some kind of Communist plot.
Under this idea, what if you go "4 and out" before making a first down? Are you content seeing a team turn the ball over inside their own 35 yard line?
Okay, I'm listening - and I found this:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst
According to Football Outsiders the Bills have a huge advantage on kick offs. Does anyone have a stat for, say, opponent average starting field position after kick offs? I'd like to see them compared to the league with a stat that I can more easily understand.
That all said, I'd still like them to find one guy who can do both.
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Fitz is in the bottom 25-35% of starting QBs in the league. I don't think you'll find anyone who can question that with acceptable logic. I suppose that's "middling, with a chance of sporadic awful" in today's league.
I'd put him 20-something, which is where you have him. He's serviceable with no real upside and he's in real trouble behind that OL this year. He's the best they're going to do for 2016 though.
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I do wonder if the first scenario you mention here is what the bills are actually trying to do and that is why it has not been consumated yet.
I hope so. The more I think about it, the more I think TT has earned a bridge deal and the more I'd like to have a chance to see more of him than in just 2016.
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Doing math and saying $X > $Y is nice, but doesn't address the practical reality of contracts in the NFL. Saying we can just tag Taylor for two years straight is nice, but then what you're saying is that we're letting Gilmore go to the highest bidder next year and Watkins go to the highest bidder the year after? That would be completely idiotic, and Taylor's agent is going to know this going into any negotiation. So it comes down to a question of how the Bills can do this, such that they are not committing to the long-term with the assumption that Taylor will significantly improve this year, but maybe have the option if in fact he does. At the same time, they can give him more money this year (still fitting under the cap though), and plan for that possible future. The contract that I look back on is the creative one they did with Percy Harvin. I don't remember all the specifics, but they didn't pay him a lot in year one, maybe $3 million if I remember right. At least two years after that were both option years for the Bills at $8 million per year or something like that. They could structure a bridge for Taylor that does exactly the same thing. Something like this:
2016 - $12 million
2017 - $18 million
2018 - $20 million
2019 - $22 million
After this year, the last 3 years are voidable. Basically, the $12 million is a good faith "show me" contract for the Bills. If he takes all the steps that we hope he will take, 2017 and 2018 become fully guaranteed. 4 Years $72 million with $38 million guaranteed sound familiar? Very similar to what Osweiler got, but obviously not with the ability to void. This kind of deal doesn't hold either side at a ransom nor impede the Bills from tagging Gilmore next year if they have to. By the way, for frame of reference, that average $18m/year deal would put him squarely at 16th in the NFL for his position. Not a discount, but also not giving Aaron Rodgers type of money to a yet unproven commodity if he earns it.
I can see what you're trying to do, but I don't think that contract or structure would work for Taylor's camp. I'd be great for the Bills though. It is essentially a 1 year deal plus a two year deal option plus another one year team option. Taylor would get an extra $9M this season, but lose his ability to get a huge deal next offseason. The Bills would be paying that extra $9M to have an option for two more years at $18M & $20M and then another season at $22M. That's a pretty good deal for the Bills, but even if the $12M in 2016 was guaranteed then that's still less than 1/3 of what Osweiler got in initial guarantees.
My example might need some numbers tweaked, but it also allows for the tag to be available for Gilmore next season and Watkins the following season. It also keeps Taylor here for two seasons. I like that much more than having just 2016 to evaluate him before deciding how big of a deal to offer him.
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Grigson has to have some kind of dirt on Irsay. It's the only explanation that he's not only still their GM, but just got an extension.
He's an awful GM. My guess is that he's getting Irsay's drugs for him.
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Not interesting at all... Bills fans know he isn't good.
Good? No, no he's not particularly good. Bad? No, not really bad. Middling? Yes. Is he the best option at QB the Jest presently have or have had in a long time? Yes, and it's really not even close. Is he the guy they should want going forward after this season? No, they should be looking for a better QB.
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Seems like we got to almost the exact same place with the same line of reasoning.
Bridge deal thoughts:
- If Taylor played this season and was franchised next he would get about $3M and $21M, respectively. A franchise in 2018 would be about $25M. (Using rounded numbers for now.)
- There's pretty much no risk for the Bills in that situation. All of that is on Taylor.
- There's no way Taylor plays under a tag in 2017. He's on a very cheap "show me" year which implies that he'll get paid market value based on his performance in 2016.
- A bridge deal would keep Taylor around through the 2017 season for sure and with no tag or renegotiation until after that season.
- The franchise tag in 2017 would be about his average per season market value if he plays about as well as last season. That's not an opinion of whether or not his performance last season is worth that, only that it would be market value.
So how about a 3 year deal like this?:
$12M signing bonus
2016: salary of $1M fully guaranteed, cap hit of $5M (actually $5.133M due to previous SB)
2017: salary of $11M fully guaranteed, cap hit of $15M
2018: salary $25M + $5M roster bonus, cap hit of $34M ($4M of which would be dead cap if Taylor was not paid his roster bonus and became a free agent)
Obviously this is a 2 year deal. Taylor would get the same 2 year payout of $24M, but he'd get cash now and the security of $24M guaranteed. The Bills wouldn't have to use their tag on him next season or deal with him refusing to sign it - and they'd get the same 2 year payout. Taylor's agent would get to crow about a 3 year, $54M deal with $51M in new money. The Bills would have two seasons to watch Taylor grow and determine his value, probably the same time Rex has to produce. After 2017 a new deal could be reached or ties could be severed with no real consequences. Thoughts?
I hope this is Sal's logic and not the Bills because it's terrible business.
The Bills currently have Tyrod under contract for an extremely team friendly deal for this year. Why would you possibly give him a huge raise this season, with no commitment for future years, other than to be just nice and throw around Terry Pegula's money? If he's going to get a significant raise for this year than he needs to commit to at least 2 additional years for maybe $15-$16 million per year. It's not smart to give someone a huge raise just because, and if it were to do down this way I'd have serious concerns about not only Whaley but the Pegulas. You would think they would be better negotiators than that.
Let's assume the following:
Tyrod plays out his contract this year for $3M
Tyrod gets franchise tag for '17 and makes $21M
Tyrod gets franchise tag for '18 and makes $25M
What we essentially have is a 3 year $49M deal. That's just under $16.5M per year, which is a great deal assuming he's playing well, and if he totally craps the bed you don't need to give him the franchise tag so it protects the team against an implosion. Obviously, it's not ideal to absorb huge franchise tag cap hits, which is why the Bills are probably eager to do an extension, but in no way should the Bills offer more than that $49M over the first 3 years. Just bad business deal if they do, which they did do with Shady after trading for him, so you never know.
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I sincerely hope not. It's such a waste of a roster spot.
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Interesting article about Fitz, Marshall and Decker.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=trent+richardson+poor+vision&client=safari&hl=en-us&biw=1024&bih=672&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxpJmcnaTOAhVFHh4KHZOrBukQ_AUICigC&dpr=2Wow, I've honestly never seen such bad instincts.
Just look at those pictures. The link is to the Google results for "Trent Richardson poor vision".
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Highly subjective.....
It was a point based system. Not perfect, but not subjective either. It was just points awarded for poll appearances, no. 1 rankings and championships.
Also, GO BUCKEYES!
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There was a similar play when he was with the Raiders.
They were pretty much all like that. Easily the worst vision of any NFL RB I've ever seen.
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Pat Kirwan said tonight he feels confident they'll get a deal done with Tyrod before the season. They sounded confident on both Taylor and Gilmore...
It would make sense to see negotiations reach a conclusion for Gilmore and Taylor at about the same time. Both agents know that they have more leverage while both players are unsigned. If the Bills were willing to pay a bit more to get one under contract so they'd have the option to tag the other, I'm sure a deal would get done. It's probably a good sign for Whaley and the Bills that it's going down the way it is. I do always wonder about smoke in these cases. It'd be smart to float a lot of this stuff out there whether or not it was true.
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2006 draft not worth much....
2006 definitely had some players in it: Mario, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, AJ Hawk, Vernon Davis, Jay Cutler, Haloti Ngata, Antonio Cromartie, Manny Lawson, Johnathan Joseph, Santonio Holmes, DeAngelo Williams and Nick Mangold all went in just the first round. There were other decent players, too.
Reggie Ragland to have knee surgery; out for season
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/07/brandon-spikes-back-with-bills/
Looks official that Spikes is a Bill again. That does not bode well for Ragland's knee.