Orlando Tim

This year i think Bama and Clemson are right now playing much better than everyine else and absolutely earned the shot at the title. I am still confused how OSU is ranked so high based on results on the field.

My mistake then- i guess i was looking for a debate.?

Row where did i insult LSU?- I said they were better today. I think they are really good team and did what good teams do- take advantage of the other teams weakness just as UCF tried to take advantage if their CBs.

LSU beat UCF and was the better team today. I give them credit that they knew how to challenge and stop Mack who looked every bit the freshman starting his third game. I am happy with UCF as they kept fighting even after making so many mistakes. I though must be satisfied that the NCAA recognizes their title last year.

I would do the trade but i know if it likely a rental so definitely not for anything more than listed.

My opinion based on yesterday is 3 major things- he has improved drastically in last 5ish games and looked like a real qb. He had one horrible throw which was pick 6, that play was awful. Lastly he needs some cohesion with recievers but he is getting much better at shorter throws. I think he will be all pro within 3 years.

So you do not think players would avoid racist teams on their second and third contract? Your point on the draft while valid ignores how much control a player has later in his career over his destination. With the exception of Wilks- who i have no idea about- the other fired coaches all deserved it. If players start avoiding Arizona as a free agent destination i will believe it.

This conversation is so odd to me- if you as a player think a team is racist then do not sign with them. I would not sign with a racist team and i am white. Any team that fires someone for any other reason than performance will quickly be an also ran.

The way he runs is not the way you want a pro to run. As a pro you must advoid contact as much as possible- no long term back beside AP looks for contact and survives amd even he has lost entire seasons.

#1 criteria should be an undefeated should be alive until they they are are beaten. once everyone has losses than you can start other discussions. I agree 11-1 in the American is not superior to 10-2 in SEC but to tell an undefeated in 2018 when the talent is so wide spread around college football they do not belong is absurd. I will state this-a small win over a lesser opponent should still be looked at as superior as a small loss to a great team. I have been to Gator games when they won titles, FSU games when they won titles, Syracuse games when they were top 10 and UCF games the past two years-the best offense I have watched regularly without a doubt is UCF. They can hit you in more ways with more speed than anyone else I have ever seen besides Nebraska with Tommy Frazier. But please tell me why why Auburn was pumped so highly for that POS bowl game yesterday when last year they could not get up for a bowl game in their proverbial backyard against a UCF team who was undefeated? oh bad coaching-and I always thought coaching was part of football. But on seperate note- in 2010 the Oregon Ducks were in the title game despite only beating one ranked team all year-in fact the second best record team they faced was 8-5 in a pathetic PAC 12- so why were they #1 and UCF not top 4 when being undefeated last year and beating 3 top 25 teams in regular season? I know I am all over the place but I am done with this conversation because I think I proved my point- every argument goes back to who they played not how they played. Lastly if they lose to LSU this week I will be sad and state they did not belong in title game but if they win-back to back titles. Someone has to beat them to make them not Champs. Anyone who loves sports believes you play to win the game and whether by 1 or 80 if you always win you are champs.

Row i understand- you decided in the preseason that they did not belong and no matter what happened this year you would not change your mind. You mean you are looking at the whole picture and not just SOS? I will take it

I said as the major standard- if you have multiple undefeateds then you must seperate somehow. Was this really your gotcha? Just stick with Auburn did not care about the peach bowl last year it is a much simpler argument.

I agree overall but i am not sure if UB will be better without him. He has so much physical ability i keep hoping his brain clicks. I am an eternal optimist

I understand your point but you still have not stated who was clearly better? A team that could not win its conference or nebraska who lost to a 7-6 team? Or someone who lost their bowl game? You are bashing them for their bowl game opponent which is set up prior to season.

You have a good point that i had not considered. But in a league where qbs dominate i would have given up 2014 for a better 2016. But your point is completely valid.

But they had the most difficult schedule of all the undefeateds and beat the #3 team at the time of game. Who do you think was clearly better? Washington did not even win there conference.

I was of the opinion then and even more so now that he needed to be allowed to win or lose games on his own. Marrone told him not to lose the game which is a terrible mentality to grow in. I am a math teacher and my students who are willing to make mistakes make greater gains then those who are unwilling.

I am confused by what you mean by BYU- are you saying they were not best team in country- i was 6 so i do not remember. Stop using math?

We agree on the money part for all people considered. What you are pointing out that help my initial point is the insanity of using SOS as a major standard. Last year UCF could have played FSU, UF, and the Canes and likely had whooped all three. That though would not have helped their SOS because not one of them was truly good. The ACC is not very good but we recognize the talent of Clemson because they beat who this year? A bunch of 4 and 5 loss teams. I will admit i went into the weeds with the UF thing but my overall point is valid and you apparently agree- SOS is not something that can be adjusted by the team but is more luck of life 4 years prior.

One- where they are in two years in not part of this debate FSU is not good now and they were good for 20 years in a row. Second- they are ducking the gators? Are you ignorant of the offer? A 2 for 1 when UCF has been the superior team for that past two years and UF will have the right to buy out the game if they choose. UCF will take anyone on under a 1 for 1 set up. Third- their opponents were not stellar this year- but they only play who is on their schedule which did not matter for Bama last year when they beat zero top 15 teams last year before playoff and had a loss. But i have realized that most of the people who argue SOS are stuxk in 1995 when being top 10 was a big drop to 20- this year # 10 is gators who were stomped by mizzou. I can give ypu plenty of other arguments but why bother you will confirm your bias each step.

You and I disagree on a major point- they want big name schools- they do not care about blowouts- OU is not going to give Bama an issue and that is ok since their fans will already be watching. Lastly as for the " 4 best teams" that was not the argument till last year, before that it was best resume or best conference champs. But i know you are being honest which is i like discussing this.

I have not watched particularly that much but if he is improving i am ok with it. I though am seeing why guys of his stature do not generally play MLB- it is hard to get low when you are so tall.

You mean besides winning 25 in a row, a top 20 offense and defense, also Oklahoma has exactly one impressive win- WVU- and a loss. But generally someone has to actually lose before you have proof they should not be champs. But i appreciate you admitting that i am right. This is a reasonable argument but still keeps a team with 25 game win streak out of final four with a team with a loss in. I think that is unfair.

Does anyone for certain if NFL allows contracts to have wording about offsets for suspensions? I was told before that Dareus contract could not have any way to get money back when he had an issue.

I keep hearing strength of schedule but is there anything else that you can argue for keeping them out of top 4? SOS is the argument made by people whose main desire is too keep the big five in control. Truly that argument is built by people who simply do not want to actually work to check out all the true contenders.