Dan

It's always nice when smart fans of other teams join in over here. Welcome and may the Chroise be with you.

Thanks! Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. So, I'll just add...

I'm sorry, but I've missed the article that says Peters is holding out for a new contract. Can someone please point me to it?

Excellent. That's how I've been saying it since day 1.

May the Chroise be with you.

Your knowledge of the Bills continues to amaze me. Incredibly well done.

Hamdan Rockin the OTAs like a DDT!

beer good enough said

Yes, you did escalate throughout the thread. I agree. I mostly found your comments funny, which is why I went through the effort to cut and paste them. It was nice to see the build up then to have it come back to "lets gets reasonable". And I do agree, there really is nothing to do but wait. I hope Hardy pulls his head out of his ass and realizes what he could have if he stays out of trouble. On the plus side.. what's there to do in Buffalo outside of Applebee's? So maybe he finds less trouble. Maybe a few players become positive influences. Maybe his Dad gets the hint and stays away. All I know is, as with all Bills' players, I'll be hoping for the best.

Actually it says ..."in what appears to be a gay bar in Texas?" So, no confirmation there.

I'm sorry, but... do not equate to... If you want to argue for common sense, then it seems to me a good start would be to make sensible statements rather than extensive hyperbole.

The problem here is one of rashness. Several posters seem to want to act rashly and cut Hardy before he has a chance. So, they seem to suggest that at the first sign of trouble, you cut and run. Why not try to work with the guy? Get him into town and put him into a better environment. Council the guy. Why not try to get him on the right track before you write him off?

Hamdan Rocks!

Wow. That report pretty much completely calls out Goodell, the NFL, and the pats* organization for excessive cheating and the subsequent cover up by the league. How every news outlet in the country can't be all over this demanding action is beyond me.

Actually this makes alot of sense. The QB on the field has a fair amount on his mind and probably can't regularly see all of the opposing sideline. However, a backup or 3rd string guy can roam the sideline for the best location to watch; has a headset; and has the time during the week to study the opposing signals rather than the Pats* plays.

Precisely! Who wants to cover this guy now that they know he's probably packin and if you get too close you're likely to get a cap in yo arse? See, it really can all be good news.

In many, many ways its easier to eavesdrop on radio signals than to figure out hand signals.

Why do people complain about Kelsay's salary in one thread and then complain that Ralph is cheap and we have too much room under the cap in another thread? Which is it? Do we spend too much on players? Or not enough? Kelsay's salary is irrelevant. If you don't like his play, fine. But to even mention a player's salary when that salary is in not preventing the Bills from signing other players or is in no way negatively affecting the team, is just nonsensical. IMO some posters are just looking for excuses to complain.

Aren't most Hondas made in Ohio? How's that not buying American? It's' like rednecks down south not wanting to buy a Jap Nissan Truck. Nissan trucks are made outside of Jackson, MS. Look past the name and see who's acutally building your car/truck.

I would very much agree with all that you posted. The Oline Depth is probably the weakest on the team, easily. And will have to be addressed. Only caveat being... the FO may decide to address the depth issue in FA - not the draft. Either way, I'm guessing it'll have to be addressed. I agree. None of the later round guys will be starters. But, IMO, they were taking best player available approach at that point. And not addressing needs. Which is why I'd hope they'll draft OL earlier rather than later. But, when they weren't drafting them this year, that's when I could only conclude that the FO sees the deficiencies at CB and WR as bigger needs than OG or C. Next year.. hopefully is different. Hopefully, we don't have any glaring weaknesses on the team and we can draft 1 or 2 quality linemen to develop as backup and/or starters. But, you're right; there's a few players that may effect that. I think Ko is definitely a question mark seeing as how he's had little playing time. Of course, the TEs. So, if Ko is the weakest link and once again the Oline looked good throughout, yeah I could see draftign a safety first again. Not sure I agree either way, but I could see it. Bottomline for me is what's the product on the field look like. Because there's often more than one way to get to your destination. I would suggest that the team is getting better. Although the record didn't show it last season, I think that was largely due to the number of injured players. I expect this year our wins to be greater that our losses. If that happens, I think we can conclude that the current plan is working. And the FO buys its self a little time and respect for putting the team together. If we have another middle of the pack 8-8 or worse year, then its definitely time to look critically at their building plan. But, overall, I think everyone has to agree that the team is better off now than 2.5 years ago - regardless of how we drafted or handled FAs. Could we be even better? Perhaps, but that's complete speculation. I guess to say it shortly, it's just been ~2.5 years for this FO and HC. That's not quite long enough to see if they know what they're doing. Most regimes come in with a 3 year plan (or so it seems). I think we have to be patient for another season and see how their moves pan out. IMO, this is the first season that we can really even begin to talk about Whitner and the '05 guys abilities. So, I understand the consternations, but I just think we have to be careful that we're not judging this FO based on mistakes of the past FO.

Point made. Counter point - was there a tackle even close to Thomas' ability in the draft in round 2? So, yes, if we had passed on Joe Thomas in round 2 I would think it a mistake. Agreed. We need to work on depth on the Oline next year. But, we'll also need to work on depth at several positions, I'd think.

The Colts have one of the Best Qbs ever; a solid Receiving corps, TE, RBs, Secondary, D-Line. So, yes, they had a different draft strategy. But that's the point. And remind me again, why does it matter if we pay through the nose for OL help via free agency and draft CBs or draft OL and pay through the nose for CBs? Its six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. The current FO thought they could get FA linemen better than they could draft them. Given the past draft record, maybe they know their college line scouts suck. I don't know. But we got a decent line out of this FO, so why are we complaining about how they got it?

For all posters claiming that we're in trouble because we didn't draft Oline depth players this year.... are you suggesting that we should be drafting 2nd string players for the Oline because Peters may get injured and not address obvious needs at the starting position in other areas of the team? I want solid lines as much as the next guy. I really do. But let's be realistic here. We needed a big WR. We needed a TE. We needed a CB. We needed a DE/DT. Those are needs. Not well we kinda don't like the guy that's there (like Fowler). Now, yes we could have drafted a lineman instead of Oman, for example. But, I would guess the FO was going with BPA after a certain point and not just drafting for specific positions. So taking Oman, as an example, could we use a OG over a RB. Absolutely. But, the FO (I'm guessing) decided the potential upside of Oman was greater than the potential upside of any linemen at that time. Can we argue that? Sure. It's speculation. So, look at the first 3 picks - CB, WR, and DE. I would argue those are all much higher need positions that a backup offensive linemen. The current incarnation of the FO has done a pretty decent job of filling the holes on this team through FA and the draft. Provided all the players work out, we'll have our starting lineups set (for the most part) after this year. So, in 3 years, we'll have gone from a team with aging players and guys that couldn't wait to leave to a young team set for several years. At that point, I think we'll start seeing them draft more for depth at key positions. But, I would suggest that this year was just one year too soon. Initially, I didn't like the CB pick in round one. But, in thinking about it, it seems obvious. Our starting Oline held up pretty well last year and we're returning all our starters. So, they should get better. Our secondary, however, was a mash unit and gave up every critical 3rd down pass they could. So, yes, maybe we should work to strengthen that unit. And yes, if Peters goes down we're screwed. But, if we drafted a LT in round 2, wouldn't we still be screwed if a rookie came in to protect Trent's blind side?

Hamdan Rocks!

No idea of prices because I try not to deal with that... but the guy I worked with just checked pricing on all nationwide carriers and settled on Verizon. So, `I'd suggest giving them a good look. (My phone is cellular south nationwide, unlimited with a cheap nokia. Best reception of any phone you'll get. But I imagine it's pricey in comparison to Verizon. I know before switching to an unlimited plan in January, my bill was averaging about $3500/mo.)