Dan

I really love this. JP has a good night; good completion percentage; TD; 2pt conversion. Yet all we can say is he made his receivers stretch for the ball, he was lucky, erratic. How about appreciating the fact that we actually have a pretty good #2 QB? Would that be too much to ask?

I noticed that too. But, I didn't want to start a mess over it all. Interesting how observations go.

I'd readily and emphatically agree with you. Having him definitely gives us the best combination of linemen. But, lets just pretend Peters is dead in a canyon and doesn't return... were we at least adequate in is stead?

I'm somewhat confused (not that that's a great revelation or anything). But, on one hand, I've read several posts that say... get Peters into Camp! We need him. Then on the other hand, I've read several posts that say the offense was similar to last year... decent pass protection, but not great run blocking. So.. which is it? Does the line blow without Peters? Or is it similar to last year's? Or was it too little to tell? Please, enquiring minds (that didn't watch the game) want to know.

I'm never in favor of trading good players. And it would seem Youboty played well enough tonight to think he could be coming around. However... you do pose an interesting scenario. Use a position in which we're fairly well stocked to trade and get a player at a position of need. Not really a bad idea. I guess it depends on the guy they were trading for as to how good of an idea it might be.

I had to miss the game tonight. But I tell you, I don't think it could have been any better. To come back and read this thread and have it (as of now) be my only inkling of how the game went... well it's just comedic gold! I just love it. 2 series into the first game and the season is lost. Great fun guys, I was looking forward to this and you didn't disappoint. And, yes, Hamdan does rock!

That would be 1. Singular. For all of Favre's greatness he's only won 1 Superbowl.

Sorry I stopped with the opening sentence. You do realize how silly that statement is, right?

Helllloooo..... Hamdan? The Chroise shall set us free.

How does Favre playing for the Jets affect the ability of Trent (or JP) or Turk to perform better? Is Favre going to intimidate them from the sideline?

Is there any question you don't have the final answer to? Thanks!

Interesting. I appreciate your work on this. I had looked a while back and found little with regards to the camp guys that come and go. Certainly, if he makes the team - even at league minimum - he's doing pretty good. And it appears that even getting the call to help out in camp isn't a bad deal either. Wish I had some skills like that.

Just curious... lets just say they cave and give Peters top 10 money and a new 6 year deal. Everyone is happy. In 2 years, Peters has made the ProBowl 2 consecutive more times and is easily the best LT in the AFC. Do we throw out his contract again and give him yet another one? To take it a step further... Kelsay has a break out year this year. Leads the team in sacks at 18; multiple forced fumbles; an interception or two. Makes the probowl easy. Do we give him a new contract now because he made the probowl? When does it end? When does a player have to honor at least most of their contract before the renegotiations begin?

Very well said. (Except for the last sentence. I think his surgery went wrong, he got a staff infection in his leg, they had to amputate, that left him hobbled and disillusioned, he got a fake leg and a walking cane and went hiking, stumbled off a cliff, fell into the ravine below where he lived on berries and dirt for nearly 2 weeks, then a mountain lion came by and ate his other leg, of course while eating his leg, Peters beat him over the head with his fake leg, that saved his life, but now he's legless and scurring around the forest looking for berries and a good pair of gloves because the ground his hurting his hands as he crawls about, his cell phone broke during the fall, so no one's heard from him since. On the bright side, Sasquatch has a new friend. )

Are you seriously asking that question? Because that is exactly what happens quite frequently. Half the stuff spewed and reiterated on this board is based on something some guy just made up and now its out there in the intrawebs and people read it and take it for fact. I spend a great deal of my professional life defending claims from people that have no knowledge whatsoever but readily claim I'm killing them.

I would think this guy is brought in as camp fodder and has next to no chance of making the final roster. But, I was wondering, anyone have any idea how much someone like that makes for a few weeks or so of work? Just curious.

Perhaps they could they put in one of those "poison pill" statements? For example, they trade Favre to the Jets and a if Favre doesn't play at least XX% of the Jets snaps, then the Jets owe the Pack another 1st rounder or a case of brew. That wouldn't necessarily rule out a quick trade, but might deter one. Possibly?

I told ya... put a hot blonde that's slightly dressed on the banner and everyone would love the site.

Fess up... you just wanted to use that word in a sentence. Didn't you.

Forgot the... "Doesn't really matter, this site rocks!" option. BTW, great new design.

I disagree.

I'm sure this was not your intent, but several posters have mentioned Bruce Smith and his penchant for not attending camp. Can we all just agree to stop that? Peters is in no way whatsoever in Bruce Smith's class. Period. There is no comparison to Peters and Smith. One is a once in a lifetime, HOF player. The other is someone that might be if he decided to play a few years. The next paragraph relates exactly to a point I've tried to call attention to on a few occasions. The Bills are primed to have several young stars emerge. How they handle Peters will likely dictate how others approach contract renegotiations. Imagine if they cave to Peters and immediately give him top 5 money. Regardless of whether he's worth it or not; you've shown every young player on this team that thinks they deserve a raise that they should hold out. Yes Peters deserves a raise. Yes, he's the best player on the line. Yes, we need him to be a legitimate playoff team. However, you can't let a player dictate to the team. Once you open that door, you allow all the other players to walk through it. My suspicion is the Bills FO knows that and they're making an example out of Peters. If so... it's risky, to say the least.

Hamdan has to be the #3 QB on the roster. It's the only way I can see it. JP has too much experience in Buffalo to not be the #2, otherwise Hamdan would be #2.

My thoughts as well. I'd imagine the overly conservative Jauron is going to be really, really over conservative with regard to possible injuries in camp. Good idea or not, I don't know. But, he rested guys because they were sore - not injured. What does that tell you?

That's my take on this whole mess. His agent probably called back around Feb. requesting a new deal. The Bills responded with a helping of.. he's under contract, we have other priorities now, we'll talk after the 2008 season. They hung up and haven't really spoken since. I still say the best way to handle this for Peters would be to state openly that he wants a new deal. Let the club know, let the press know. Show up and have your agent begin talks - knowing full well nothing will get done till Feb 09. But, still begin the talks and play another stellar season. After proving for 2 straight years you're the best tackle in football, the Bills would almost certainly put him in that $8mill/yr range. As eball has suggested, this is just really bad timing on Peters/Parkers part. The Bills needed to pay money for Stroud, they needed to re-sign Evans, they re-signed several of the roll players; Peters was coming off injury, he's only had one solid year at LT. IMO, they just picked the wrong time to draw their line in the sand. The deal he does or doesn't get next year depends on 2 things: (1) how well does he play when he comes back? and (2) how is his attitude when he comes back? He's certainly burned alot of good will with the franchise. But, if he comes back and shuts down the opposing DEs all season and has a great attitude (i.e. the holdout was all my agents idea, but I love the Bills) I think all is washed away. The bigger question is if the Bills don't blink - which I don't think they will because as another poster pointed out it's not in Ralph's history to give in to player demands - will Peters be humble enough to return in enough time to get into playing shape and learn the new offense? If he's dumb enough to sit out all season or all preseason, well... screw him. I firmly attest, however, that the Bills should not cave and pay him now. As much as I want Peters on the team and realize how good he is and deserves the money, we have too many players that are about to be (or potentially about to be) in his exact same position. If you show them that you'll pay whoever holds out, then we're likely to have 2 or 3 holdouts a year. And that.. would kill the Bills in the long term.