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It was actually the full game outside of the 1st drive. And ya I'm going to mostly judge them what they do in the playoffs, not the regular season. The "floor" will always be higher with the power game approach. It's the "ceiling" I'm worried about , and we saw the limitations first hand in the playoffs last year I was referring to the playoff game last year against them

Agreed that the problem against the chiefs wasn't the offence. But against Baltimore it was, as it took 3 turnovers and huge dropped passes by Baltimore to win by 2 points . The bills offence could not move the ball, especially in the 2nd half

The ravens beat themselves. I think even if you ask McDermott he would admit that. Bills offence was awful that night

Yep and I personally disagree with the overall philosophy. Trying to be a power run team while minimizing risk wouldn't be the path I would take when a unicorn like Josh Allen is your QB Is your "floor" going to be a lot better? Absolutely as you're not going to have multi turnover games that cost you. But the ceiling is also going to be limited. We saw it in last years playoffs, especially against Baltimore

Maybe. But since late 2023, this is basically what the passing game has looked like.

I don't want the bills to "chuck " the ball downfield as I understand teams play a lot of cover 2 and 4 against the bills. But ya I do want more intermediate passing. Just because a team plays cover 2, doesn't mean you aren't allowed to throw the ball past the line of scrimmage lol. Theres the honey hole between the safety and corner (see the Dalton Kincaid TD), middle of the field is also open because of the 2 split safety.

Today I just learned that Zay jones is still in the NFL

I hear your point. But sometimes you just got to put the game in Josh Allen's hands. (See the ravens game) Even on the Hawes TD. Nothing was really open. Just a special player making an amazing play. Josh Allen is a unicorn who can make things happen even if WRs aren't open right off the bat

My apologies, you're right as yes it was a swing pass. Running 2nd and long into a crowded box will never be a reasonable call in my books though when Josh Allen is your QB and you're playing the worst secondary in the NFL

At this point I would almost rather Frank gore than Ray Davis. Hes done absolutely nothing the first 3 games

They did give him the ball and they got stuffed twice in a row because the whole world knew they were running it, especially on 1st down. Not going to nitpick too much as it's impossible to be perfect as a play caller. But I just think a play action in that situation should have been a no brainer, and it goes back to to the root of Joe Brady does not use play action nearly enough

I know you really like Joe Brady and that's fine, but I think you would even admit this- He criminally underuses play action at times One of the lower play action teams in the league since he took over in 2023, and Josh Allen has some of the highest metrics when using play action. On that particular time with those two corners being out, and Miami playing a crowded box on top of it? Play action should be an absolute no brainer play call there

But to the posters point- The dolphins just had 2 injuries in a row in their secondary. Why not test them right away? Instead they run into a crowded box twice in a row to set up a 3rd and 8. That to me is nonsensical, given the situation

Yep. It kind of really flipped the game as well. Looked like bills were gonna go up 21-7 and start pulling away. But they get stuffed on that sequence that you're referring to, missed the kick, and then allow the long TD drive. "Complimentary" football at its finest lol I think the play calling at the end was fine. Those runs basically were the icing of the game. Even if prater misses, Miami has to go 65 yards in 25 seconds with 0 timeouts . Extremely unlikely, especially with a noodle arm QB

6 pressures for Greg Rousseau? Who's keeping track of that stat, his mom? Haha on a serious note it definitely didn't feel like that live as I don't think I noticed him once

I thought the defence played pretty bad when watching live, but the stats are actually pretty damn good.. 1. 21 points to Miami. I'll take that any time 2. 275 yards given up . Holding a team to under 300 in the nfl is hard to do 3. 1 turnover. I think the big stat that made it seem a lot worse than it was, is the 3rd down defence. (10/15 which is unacceptable)

1. I never said the offence is a problem. I don't think anyone has said that lol 2. I said the PASSING game has been an issue for most of the year outside of a couple quarters. In particular The Baltimore 4th quarter, and the 2nd quarter of the dolphins game. Do you really disagree with that?^

We will see I guess. Last years playoff offence seemed pretty similar to the 2024 regular season , if not even more conservative

I don't expect perfection. But when Miamis defence got carved by Daniel jones and Drake maye and they are on a short week coming to buffalo with their secondary decimated, ya I had extremely high expectations for the offence and I didn't have 3 punts in a row on the bingo card

So that's how you judge the offence, You just look at the points and determine if it was good or not... You don't weigh in quality of opponent? (Miamis defence being dead last) You don't weigh in how they got the points? (7 off a roughing the punter and 3 off a late interception) There are times where the offence scores 24 and I think they played really well depending on context. And there are times like tonight where they score 31 and I think they were a bit off, especially in the 2nd half. Sorry if I don't just blindly look at the box score and say "hey we got 30 points so it was a great performance by the offence"

"If they didn't get the roughing the passer they would force the issue".? So you are saying they had no urgency when it's 21-21 in the 4th quarter? I don't agree with that at all.

I mean, maybe? But you would think when it's a tie game in the 4th quarter that they would start to empty the tank at least a little bit

It's a talking point I brought up as I don't just look at the score and pretend all is great. You know it was 21-21 and the bills were punting in the 4th quarter before the roughing the punter right? 3 straight punts in the 2nd half against the worst defence in the league doesn't concern you 1 bit, and you're just good looking at the box score knowing they won? I am very happy they won. But im also not naive enough to know that for the most part, the 2nd half offence was a disaster

Yes to a certain extent that's true. But it's all relative. If it's 2019 and the bills are trying to make the playoffs, then ya this is not a concern. But expectations have changed. The conversation isn't "do the bills have a passing game problem compared to a mediocre/average team". It's relative to the best teams in the league at this point

Agreed not every time. But 3 times in a row kind of disputes your statement haha