The Dean

I think he had to mean that. But even that is an overstatement. Still pretty good odds, though.

I can't answer for Peter, but I would have to look, again, at the JAX roster to see if they have a glut of bodies at a position of need for the Bills. If not, perhaps a 4th, upgradeable to a 3rd. Or, you hold on to Dareus (he certainly wasn't dragging the team down) until the offseason, and trade him then. But let's say, this is the best Beane thought they could get, and was concerned if they waited until the offseason there would be no deal to be had. If you REALLY believe that, then you go ahead and make the bad deal. But I don't think you are "happy" about it. I had to sell a car for far less than it was worth, once. Had little choice. But I didn't celebrate getting taken.

I'm wondering, how far right any society has to be, for SDS to be considered a "liberal"?

Great graphic!

I kept hearing Curly Howard in my head, every time the Raiders tried to field a kick.

This team is so bad it can't even tank properly!

Rex: He is who we thought he was.

Forgot about Douggie. If Jax makes the playoffs, he will have to be considered (much to the chagrin of many here). But I expect that bubble to burst, eventually.

OK, thanks. Looks like that was printed on Bills team stationery, so maybe they will release it, somewhere.

Plus (and I can hardly believe I'm saying this about Bills coaching), this team makes adjustments. WTF? Has to be considered, too. What's up, Sen?

Agreed, particularly the Zo comment. I watched the game with a guy who has very close Bills contacts, today. He was happy with the trade (but not the value received, like most here, I think), but said this: As far as he heard, Dareus was very well liked in the locker room and in no way a "cancer". But it was clear management did not really buy into him. For good reasons, I'm sure. Do yo have the full version of Kyle's statement? That one is cut off, just when it looks like it might get interesting. Oh, and the Bills probably could have used him on that first TD run, but it worked out, in the end. At least for today.

Can't believe I didn't catch that. Good one. So, maybe I'm confused now. You think everything you like is good, and (at least in your opinion) things you don't like aren't good, at least to you. So, you don't think there are terrible movies, writing, music, etc? I mean, not that you don't like them, but they suck at the core? You don't think Mozart's music is "better" than Justin Beiber's music? You don't think The Godfather is better than Caddyshack 2---irrespective of what you would rather watch? A classic novel is "better" than some drugstore romantic novel? If that's the case, I suppose we simply can't communicate effectively, on this. I truly believe there is music (are movies, books, etc) that is great, but that I don't care for. I try to separate my personal tastes from my evaluation, the best I can. I can really like a movie, for example, but know it isn't a "great movie"---in fact, a few things I like I understand are pretty bad, quality wise. The vast majority of culture, I believe is created simply for profit, with little regard to quality. Not that all commercial art is bad, but I like to see some authenticity, originality and---well, quality in a work, before I dub it "good". I never was a "I give that song a 95, Dick. It has a good beat, and it's easy to dance to", kind of guy.

I wouldn't expect to find that in a time capsule. I do think it's "good", though. Some of what makes it "good", IMO, is are the chord voicings, chord changes, time signature changes, interesting break and bridge---as well as first rate musicianship. Now everything that's good doesn't need those things. But in general, I think those are good things. I included it for several reasons. One, because Don Breithaupt is from Toronto, who is pretty much unknown, to most. Thought it deserved some exposure. Another is,not only do I think it's good, I like it. I just love, and can personally relate to, the lyrics/meaning---I think it's funny, too. Much of what I do is simply because it amuses me. It definately has jazz influences. Breithaupt, is very Steely-Dan influenced, but I think he avoids being too derivative. As for "timeless", I wouldn't hear this and say, "That's a sixties song" or "That's 90's rock", etc. It could have been composed in 1960 and I believe it will be as fresh 20 years from now. I already have. But that doesn't mean everything I think is good sounds like those songs. I have eclectic taste, I just think the vast majority of anything (music, literature, film, etc) is derivative and made solely/primarily for monetary (not artistic) purposes.

Pretty much nailed it, AD.

With a bar.

First of all, what "fish reference"? I said "crap" not "carp". And yes, I suppose I did denigrate 95% of "posters shared musical choices"---but WHICH 95%. There's the rub. Any poster, who might be offended, can simply assume their choices are in the good 5%. And I didn't say anyone MENTIONED stage shows, and image. I was trying to explain what appeals to me, and what goes into my judgement of what constitutes good music. But if you don't think some of the artist here do a lot to play upon a particular image, then fine. But I think you are mistaken. And, again, I don't think I'm getting through to you on my, very loose, criteria. There is no "statute of limitations". But it's pretty clear to me, there is music that is pretty timeless---or at least is something you can envision yourself listening to for years. Music where you hear something new, and different, every time you hear it. Music, including lyrics if any, that challenges you, inspires you to think. Stuff like that. Let me ask you: Do you think all music is equal? Is it all good? Is all the music shared here, good, in your opinion? A, I'm, generally, a culture snob. But yes, most consider me somewhat of a music snob. I can live with that. OTOH, I'm NOT a bourbon snob or a wine snob. B. I'm not DC Tom. But this seems like a good opportunity to link this: C. Um, I HAVE posted music in this thread. D and E. I think I've already started to answer this, in my back-and-forth with SinceThe70s, and through the songs I've shared in this thread. It's getting close to game time and I have to set my FF lineup and get to the bar, to catch the game. Perhaps, if the mood strikes me, I'll come back and try to be more specific. But there isn't some prepared list I use to judge music, or most things. But I'm not someone who thinks "everything is good" or "it's all the same". I try to be discriminating in curating my music (as well as other things). I'm not sure this will help but, let's use women as an example. When considering if a woman might appeal to me, in a relationship/sexual way, I don't have a list like: I like big breasts, blonde hair, etc. It's far more complex than that. F. Well, yes, obviously. Mostly though I thought it was funny. Oh, and no, I can't imagine most anyone would give two s#its what I think. I'm surprised you guys have spent any time on this, at all. In no way, do I think Parsons is crap (well, not all of his stuff). But he's also one I respect more than I like. For some reason his music doesn't hit my ear in it's sweet spot. But I would consider it of decent quality. Does that help explain things? Honestly, I can't imagine how it would.

Whaley is someone who always looked completely stoned, to me.

Completely agree.

No, again, understandable, but wrong. There is plenty of music I know is of high quality---it just isn't for me. In those cases, I think I'd be better off if I could appreciate it, but I simply don't. I'm actually fairly self aware. Keep in mind, for me, music is about that: MUSIC. Not image, genre, costumes, stage shows---all that extraneous stuff. In fact, most of that stuff turns me off, even to "quality" music. I suppose that's another thing I need to get over. But I tend to like music I think will be listened to for years. Not stuff that is "of the moment" and is likely to be forgotten in 10 years, if that helps. Quality music (even the stuff that isn't for me) stands the test of time.

Indeed. There were many instances where my friends were caught sleeping at red lights, or other similar horrible things, and were simply escorted home, asked to call a friend to take them home, etc. Given a complete drunk is in charge of a 3,000 lb moving vehicle, that may not have been the best way to handle the situation. OTOH, now you can be just sitting at a red light and some idiot smashes into you---if you blow a .08 it's your ass that;s in trouble. There HAS to be some middle ground. I'm proud to say, I've only been breathalyzed once (after acing the field sobriety test). I blew a .03 --"I guess you were telling me the truth" was the officer's response". I still had to spend the night in jail (the one and only time) because the rookie trooper had a hair up his ass. Hard for me to complain, given how much crap I got away with. I was close to 50, when this happened.

Yes, early in the season lots of s#it goes down. Honestly I don't think the Fish or the Bills are legit playoff teams, this year. I honestly, truly, deeply hope I'm wrong about the Bills. Tanking does little to help a team. Winning this year is the best predictor of winning next year. This team is learning how to win, despite a dearth of great talent. IMO, that's far more valuable than a higher draft pick.

My best guess on the year is 1978, give or take a year. Love Bob's little trees and bushes.

The " accidental" part was a pretty easy sell, when they saw my car key started their car. Convincing the cop I wasn't completely blasted when it happened took a little more finesse.

And he was pretty close. Guilty of fraud and other indiscretions. I think virtually nobody was shocked when the s#it hit the fan, His business practices were INSANE: https://whitecollarfraud.com/crazy-eddie/crazy-eddie-fraud/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Eddie

Fabulous! I have a couple of those stories myself. Someday I'll tell you about the car, I accidently stole, while blind drunk. Bottom line: Got home safely and returned the car to its rightful owner the next day, with no consequences. I mean, how in the hell will I ever learn?