Rocky Landing

That would be true if it were horse racing.

Well, bookmakers certainly aren't paying attention to this thing. The Jets are still 3 point favorites.

A more important question is how well our D matches up to their O, and visa versa. The Jets current O-line issues and their paper-thin depth at WR vs. our improved pass rush are going to force them to run and absolutely hobble their starting QB. They've also lost one TE and another is questionable. If our run D is as improved as advertised, I would say that we have a positive match-up regardless of how our Defenses compare. On the other side of the ball, I wonder how well our O-line will hold up? If Fitz gets enough time in the pocket, Chan's spread offense might play well. We know Stevie can handle Revis. But, I think we are going to need to see some real production from some of our other receivers.

I wasn't completely sure before, but I now know that you're nuts. That being said, considering the injuries that have befallen the Jet's TEs, I think that they're probably pretty happy to have Tebow at this moment.

"He not busy being born is busy Dying." -Bob Dylan

I live in Los Angeles (born and raised in Rochester), and I don't get to go back home too often. So, just judging by the various threads that I've seen posted today, I was wondering: is there a huge wave of Stupid moving through Upstate New York today?

The Jets!

I'm relatively new to this forum. But, I hope that when the regular season starts, threads like this one will stop. I'd much rather read debate on players that we actually have. These hypothetical threads are a waste of time. That being said: screw Vick. To my mind, Gailey/Nix have shown that they place a high value on character. I like that about them, and I like the effect it has had on the team. I enjoy rooting for players that I can be proud of.

A lot of people on these boards freaked out when we chose Graham!

I assume he meant preseason game 4, and that Thigpen will make the 75, not the final 53.

I think it's a mistake to consider the opener vs the Jets as a slam dunk. The Jets Circus gets a lot of media attention, but I think it's likely that, to a degree, it is hype. Most of the Las Vegas sports books still have the Jets favored by 3 points. That's down from 6 a couple months ago, so perception is trending in our direction. Depending on our, and the Jets showing on Saturday, I suspect that the spread will drop even further.

I don't think anyone is ignoring Young's winning percentage- it's the reason there is so much discussion in the first place. But, you also can't ignore the less positive elements of his history or character. Fitz and Young are both mixed bags.

Not mutually exclusive

Of the people on these boards who are constantly looking for our "next franchise quarterback," or are asking questions like, "which QB should we have drafted or traded for?..." I wonder if they considered Fitz to be our franchise QB after the first six games last season? If we go 10-6, or make the playoffs this season, then will Fitz be our franchise QB?

I read this forum a lot. I don't often post. But, I will say this: At this point in the preseason, I'm getting pretty sick of these threads that are little more than thinly veiled excuses to bemoan our current starting quarterback. We didn't draft McCoy, Clausen, or Gabbert. We didn't trade for Vick, or Palmer, or Flynn. Our man is Fitzpatrick. Get over it. (Unless you want to talk more about Tebow, God, how I love him!)

Nix/Gailey certainly frown upon negative character issues- much more so than most GM/HCs. If they didn't trust his character, I'd be surprised if they took the risk.

I wouldn't be against it, but it sounds like a long shot to me.

I've always considered the end zone dance to be a little silly, and sometimes embarrassing- nothing more. As far as Stevie is concerned, I understand that he is having a fan competition of some sort so that fans can affect his end zone dance (I don't remember the details). Great! Why not? If Stevie is doing an end zone dance based on fan input, then I will be a new fan of the end zone dance. And, as far as Mike Mularkey is concerned, he is the HC of the Jacksonville Jaguars. (Soon to be the Los Angeles Riots, or whatever they happen to change their name to).

I hate emoticons, but here's three of them.

It's amazing how little attention Clowney gets in the media (and on here!). Most articles you read about the Bills WRs and their lack of a #2 don't even mention Clowney, positive or negative, as if he isn't even there. I think that what we have heard about him since becoming a Bill is impressive. He seems to be Vince Young's favorite target (for whatever that's worth). And, he has a great attitude. I love how much emphasis Nix/Gailey put on character. It makes me proud to be a Bills fan. That may also partially explain his treatment under the Jets. They don't tend to concern themselves with character issues one way or the other. Clowney was in a tenuous situation in Jersey and I suspect his abilities are better than his Jets career would suggest. So, what is it about Clowney? Why no love?

Bring back Jauron!

I think a lot of this debate comes down to what you are willing to believe: -Was Fitz's rib injury part of the reason for his decline in the second half of the season? -Were the injuries to the front line, WRs, Jackson, et al, part of the reason for Fitz's decline? -Can the coaching of David Lee improve Fitz's performance? -Can the improvements in depth and personnel improve Fitz's performance? -Can Fitz play at the level he did for the first six games last season for the entire 2012 season? If your answer is "yes" to one or more of these questions, then Fitz has the potential to become an "upper echelon QB."

My bad. BTW- Jets have dropped to 4 point favorites for week one.

Just to be clear: You are saying that when Lee and Fitzpatrick, during interviews, have stated that his mechanics and accuracy have improved dramatically this offseason, they are- a) pandering to the media b) lying c) delusional d) mistaken (they're well-meaning, they just don't have the expertise that you possess, and your opinion should bear more weight).

Hilarious? A "sad effort?" eball uses stats and actual numbers to make his point and you blather in return. Seriously. Stop trolling.