Rocky Landing

Nothing will be proven until players hit the field. But, it is inaccurate to say, "they did nothing to bolster a weak against the run defensive line." Spikes? Schwartz?

These low marks really don't surprise me at all. From the outside, the Watkins trade-up really is a bit of a head scratcher. Nobody was saying that WR was one of our greatest needs. But, from Whaley's "all-in on EJ" perspective, it was a high risk/high reward move. In terms of value, it seems crazy. We paid a high price to replace our #1 receiver with another #1 receiver. And, we're not just betting "all-in" for this year-- we sacrificed next year's draft as well. But, every pick we made AFTER round #1 seems perfectly in line with this strategy, and with GOOD VALUE. So be it. I HATE that we traded away Stevie-- I'll admit it, I was a fan. I was face-palming at the Watkins trade-up. I think we paid WAY too much. But, all-in, means ALL-IN. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to gamble. In fact, it's one of my favorite things about football. I was always a little lukewarm on Whaley, but now I LOVE him. I don't agree with pushing in all of our chips at this moment, but, what the hell? Sometimes, you just go for it, and I respect that. There is no back-peddling with an all-in bet.

(...Deja vu...) Yay! We're winning the offseason! Again!

Manuel, Lewis, Dixon?

Personally, I was wishing we would have picked up a veteran already. But now, is there even anyone noteworthy left in FA? Or if there is someone on the trading block, what do we have left to trade? CJ? More of our picks from next year? Doesn't seem likely to me. When Whaley said, "all in," he meant it, for good or ill.

(...Deja vu...) Yay! We're winning the offseason! Again!

Like many who are suspicious of EJ's potential, I have made my peace with the "All In" strategy they are applying with EJ. I don't agree with the strategy, but if they chose the strategy, and then only went "Half In," I think it would be a bigger mistake. So, I am glad they didn't use up one of their picks on a QB, and instead worked at getting EJ more tools in this draft. The one thing that does bother me, is that we lost next year's first round pick. If EJ doesn't work out, we're in even tougher shape next year.

I think we should throw the ball to them.

Thought this was a football forum.

"All in" means "ALL IN."

Once again, we WIN THE OFFSEASON!!!

I have to believe this is a Pats, or a Jets fan on here to troll.

and Hogan, and Kaufman, and Roberson...

HATE THIS We trade up to get EJ a WR-- sacrificing next year's #1 pick-- and then drop out most productive WR for a #4??? This looks like a front office that has no long range plan-- just going day by day.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that there will be MUCH discourse regarding EJ's preseason performance come August. And, should you ever make it to Los Angeles, I will gladly buy you a beer at Buzby's (home of the Bill's Backers Club), if you are capable of refraining from participating in the debate.

I really try to look at these things in terms of current value. Yes, Buffalo got the man they wanted, and it cost them a substantial net loss of draft picks. Worth it? That is the unknown-- high risk/high return. Cleveland, on the other hand, got the man they wanted, with a net gain in draft picks. Hard not to see that as anything other than a good deal-- low risk/high return.

Not that I don't think this is a lame thread, or anything, but, why do posters on these boards so often refer to a differing opinion as a "crusade?" That seems like merely dismissive rhetoric to me.

I have absolutely no desire to debate Manuel ant further until we see more out of him in the preseason. But, it's weird to tell me not to debate Manuel while qualifying Manziel as debatable, for the sake of this comparison. At any rate, I was really talking about how well the Browns traded draft spots. They got the players they wanted (that was your point about not debating Manuel-- the player the coaches want) and they have set themselves up for next years draft with a net gain of picks.

Certainly agree with this. The Browns made out like bandits.

I'll say this: I am not happy about this trade. BUT, I was feeling pretty bored with the prospect of Ebron (who we debated to death), or Martin, or Barr, or Lewan at #9. I don't know... it's hard to get excited about an OT, or an OLB. This is some pretty risky, and exciting stuff. Watkins will be FUN to follow. I hope.

We seem to be getting heavy with baggage lately. Considering his current legal troubles, is it unlikely that he will still be there in the second round?

DON'T trade up. Maybe trade down for a good price. Then, BOPA. Not convinced that would be Ebron at #9. Martin, perhaps?

Speaking for myself:1) Because if the Bills played any one of their up-coming regular season match-ups today, they would be considered underdogs in all but four of them.Underdogs win all the time Actually, underdogs win some of the time. It's not an enviable position. 2) EJ did not show me nearly enough to think he could be successful, if he stays healthy. For a rookie he showed enough Enough? What he showed was inconsistency- when he was on the field. 3) Our weakest position was at QB, and we have not improved that position. Wrong it was LG then RT. Our QB situation last season was horrific! How could anyone say differently? 4) One knee injury could, perhaps, be bad luck. It's hard to look at three knee injuries as bad luck. One year out of all the years he's played, I'd call it a fluke not a trend. One year out of... ONE YEAR. Fluke? 5) The best thing about our team last season was our defense. Then we lost our DC, and our pro-bowl safety. Wrong #2 rushing offense, both RBs are back. I will agree that our rushing offense was the best thing about our offense! 6) I haven't seen enough improvements in the offseason to warrant that large of a shift in our record. Plenty of talent added this offseason. Plenty? As another poster pointed out, the acceptance of mediocrity by Bills fans is disturbing. Some good talent, sure. Plenty? How much is plenty? Enough to bring us back to the playoffs and out from under the bottom of our division? I appreciate the optimism. But, I'll stick with pessimism and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Speaking for myself: 1) Because if the Bills played any one of their up-coming regular season match-ups today, they would be considered underdogs in all but four of them. 2) EJ did not show me nearly enough to think he could be successful, if he stays healthy. 3) Our weakest position was at QB, and we have not improved that position. 4) One knee injury could, perhaps, be bad luck. It's hard to look at three knee injuries as bad luck. 5) The best thing about our team last season was our defense. Then we lost our DC, and our pro-bowl safety. 6) I haven't seen enough improvements in the offseason to warrant that large of a shift in our record.

My opinion is that we should go for best offensive player on the board, at nine. Pretty much against trading up, unless it is dirt cheap- which it won't be. Hoping Jake Mathews is there at nine.