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On the flip side- we have fans just twisting themselves into knots trying to convince themselves that we’re doomed and can’t win a Super Bowl unless we have an elite WR. goes both ways. i have no clue if this will pan out- I don’t see any reason to sit there and predict doom. Some people choose to only see the negative in everything

Nice way to bow out and take the L

Athletes do interviews. and AJ will play plenty- von lines up on both sides- they can play at the same time

Originally answered pass rush- but I’d switch my answer to Joe Brady- I think he’s the key to our season just like I thought Dorsey was last season. He hasn’t proven much as an OC to date, but I prefer him to Dorsey. He gained notoriety for being the OC that didn’t call plays for Burrow, Chase and Jefferson. Didn’t do much in Carolina (but didn’t have much of a chance with no QB) and was about average for us last season while failing to properly utilize our best weapon. Definitely my biggest concern after some thought. I think we should be able to manufacture some pressure with our pieces, although I maintain getting pressure is the key to progressing in the playoffs.

Par for the course

Ok- I suppose i should rephrase my question as my original argument was refuting the bolded above- is this the worst WR the Bills have ever had? I’ve been going off of our WRs to start seasons, ie final 53. Imo- 17 and 18 are absolute no brainers. I don’t consider Sammy because he wasn’t on the 17 team and “this point in the offseason” wasn’t part of the discussion. I could have been more specific. No chance I’d ever choose 17 over 24. If Tate, Kaelin Clay and Joe Webb were flanked by Sammy, Bob Woods and Andre Holmes I could get behind that. But those 3 are so bad that the great Jordan Matthew’s, Zay Jones rookie and Andre Holmes can’t turn this into a real debate imo. I’d also take Benjamin- Zay- foster- holmes- Ray ray and deonte Thompson over that group- but 2024 is clearly better than both to my eyes. Some see it differently- only natural

lol- yes- I spend a lot of time here- that doesn’t mean I’m a fool that would waste his time looking up a thread from 7 years ago and searching through it for a particular members opinion? This is how you move the goalposts? 😂 I’ve spent enough time here to get the biggest kick out of one thing in particular, you calling people names. Grown *** man constantly calling other grown men and women names as if it hurts their feelings.

Or I could just ask him and save myself some of my time on earth. Going back and looking at those types of threads is your thing- enjoy those minutes no- my perception isn’t clouded in the least. When we had Sammy this time of year- you’re right- I thought we would be ok drafting Zay to replace Bob. Then we traded Sammy- and I wasn’t happy about it. I wasn’t happy with our WR corp. I thought getting Matthew’s made some sense and that he could be a nice player- but nowhere near Sammy. I was not a fan of Tate. I hated clay. I laughed at Webb. I thought Holmes was similar to Hollins. I thought our depth was putrid. It was- it also proved to be just that. God awful- we needed deonte and Benjamin to bail us out. statistics don’t determine my thoughts on players and WR units. Statistics are often a a result of situations, play calling, coaching, rosters, teams success etc. i look at the stats and weigh them with my player evaluation's. Matthew’s was WR1- his WR2 was Riley cooper and 3 was rookie Nelson agholor. He was the only WR option, stats are inevitable stats. I view this teams WR depth as much better than 17 and 18. Maybe our number 1 in 24 doesn’t have the stats that Matthew’s did, but I think Samuel is a better player. Apparently I’m not the only one. but cool- you think think unit is worse- we can discuss after the season

Ok- so 18 is definitely worse and 17 is a debate- I’ll get back to this after work, walking in right now.

So you think 2024 is better than 2017 and 2018? Do you even think it’s debatable?

lol- just hilarious- Cherry pick all you like- Tate- Clay- Webb were all out of the league minutes later. None of which were nfl caliber players. Jordan Matthew’s was a big slow possession WR that the nfl knew was a bum- his big payday was 1- year 1.8M with SF with 300k gtd. He was cut prior the season. Yes- he had a better career than Samuel did to this point. Absolutely- you are correct- now compare the rest- as I’ve discussed with you before 1 WR doesn’t make a unit. Especially when that WR wasn’t considered to good by anyone but statistics. Why don’t you add up the career YpG of the other 5 WR? Because that would ruin your case. Now cherry pick on sentence and move the goal posts.

i value your opinion of players?

Meanwhile- you don’t know who’s better- 2017 Matthews-Zay-Holmes-Tate-clay-Webb or 2024 Samuel- Shakir- Coleman- MVS- Hollins- Claypool because it has to be measured relatively…. As such- you will get clowned

People are funny

Too funny- the 2017 and 24 wr units against each other. We aren’t comparing the units relative to the rest of the league. It doesn’t matter how they are ranked league wide- the WR units don’t actually play against each other. They play against opposing defenses. It’s about having capable players for the QB to throw too. Having guys that can make plays. Or in 2017’s case, having guys incapable of making plays. Or staying in the league for more than a season. Example- 2035 and the league is comprised of Justin Jefferson clones. Every team in the league has 6 Justin Jefferson clones except the Bills. The Bills have 6 Brandon Aiyuk clones. Because you “it has to be measured relatively” the 2017 bills WRs might be better than the 2035 bills because the Bills WRs are the worst in the league while the 2017 teams was bottom 5. this is a ridiculous hill to stand on. But I’m enjoying watching you sit there trying to play smart guy. move the goal posts or give us some other analogy of how the 17 WRs aren’t worse than the 24 WRs. hey @GoBills808 which WR do you think is better, 17 or 24?

I’m hoping I won’t always see him as Claytool. I’m not holding my breath though.

Ok…..so which was worse? 2017 or 2024?

Do you think he’s a bad coach? Or do you just think we should look to upgrade?

agreed- it’s all speculation at this point- I think there’s enough talent - when mixed with Kincaid, Knox, Cook and Davis, to be a legit title contender come playoff. It’s all on Joe Brady (and the luck of injuries)

You like to talk a good game- yet you say that: Jordan Matthew Zay jones (rookie season) Andre Holmes Brandon Tate Kaelin Clay Joe Webb is better than Samuel Shakir Coleman MVS Hollins Claypool The last 4 guys in 2017 are complete GARBAGE- none were ever as good as any of the 6 from this season (if that happens to be our 6). You’re basing everything on the fact that Jordan Matthews put up decent stats at that point. He was so good that Philly gave us a 3rd pick AND Matthews for Darby but yeah—- this group is worse than every WR group in the last 40 years 👌 So you mean that this isn’t the worst WR unit in the last 40 years? That’s the rumor

I agree- he’ll turn heads alright just kidding- I’ve always been an anti chase claypool guy. Now he’s a bill- so i’m rooting for him, I’m just not expecting alot, although i think he’ll be more relevant than he was in Miami. I do agree that he’ll flash and people will be fired up and likely go overboard about how great he’s going to be. His physical being is impressive and if used properly, he’s going to make some plays. I just don’t think there will be many of them. I do think he’ll make the team.

I didn’t know 1 WR made up an entire WR unit….. in 2017 our WRs to start the season were Matthews- Zay jones (rookie season)- Andre Holmes- Brandon Tate and Kaelin Clay and THE Joe Webb but yeah……we haven’t had a worse WR unit in the last 40 years- suuuuure.

I wasn’t disagreeing- just pointing out I’m not sold on our WR room but I think our passing game can work well IF our run game and 12 personnel can open things up. I think Kincaid/knox/cook/davis will be a big part of our run game. it’s really all about Brady imo.

So you think the WRs we started the 2017 season are better than this years? Kelvin Benjamin wasn’t on the team- matthews- Zay jones- andre Holmes we added deonte Thompson, who was our leading receiver mid season iirc. Benjamin at the deadline-

Your point in a thread about connor McGovern being rated as a top 32 OL: the packers OL is better. 😂 but you don’t dump on bills players- got it