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Is this the same guy that missed a 47 yarder, to win it last night? That guy? I didn't vote, cuz it seemed like a dumb poll(still does), but no.

I think the "Bills make me wanna shout" song is getting a little old. 20 yrs ago.

Ouch

3rd round pick.

Yes.

We score 16 points against the browns and this is where you go? 16 points. Actually the defense scored 2 of those points. 14 points?!

Yes. They did do something the bills didn't. They scored more than 16 points. Plus the bills offense had the chance to tie or win the game on that last drive. Guess what? They failed.

Didn't the offense have a chance to score a game winning td or at least a game tying fg with that last drive? Yea, let's blame the defense for not saving this horrible offense again.

Invested so little in the offense?! They've invested a top 10 pick at qb, a whole new line, new wrs, new te's, new rbs. Are you joking? 16.66 points allowed per game 19.33 points scored per game We've given up 20 or more points only twice this year. TWICE. We've held 2 teams to single digits. Yet our offense, in 9 games has had games of 10, 13, 14, 17 points scored this year. And only 16 today. Higher standard? Again, are you joking?

I want say this as politely as I can. Leave the defense alone. Anyone complaining about our defense needs to get a grip. It's not perfect, but consider the following: Points against per game: 16.66 Points scored per game: 19.33 We've given up 20 or more points only twice this season. TWICE. We've held 2 teams to single digits scoring. We've SCORED LESS than 15 points 3 times. We've had games of 10, 13, 14, 16 and 17 POINTS SCORED this year. Please leave the defense out of this. And before anyone says the defense is doing this against a soft schedule, tell it to the offense. They're playing that same soft schedule.

The point I made was we deserve the record we have and him saying we don't is a load of crap. This wasn't about how good we are or not. We did win those games. Do we deserve to be mentioned among the elite? Of course not. Again that's not what our back and forth was about. We do dederve to be 6-3. So, in the context of the conversation between bullbuchanan and me, what's your point?

Unless the refs gave us a win, we deserve them. Ugly or not. It must suck to be someone who doesn't enjoy wins.

They won those 6 games. That's what it's based on. Just because you're pissed off right now doesn't take away those 6 wins. It doesn't work that way. If we were a 3-6 team, we would be 3-6. I might not change your mind, but you won't change my mine. That line about not deserving to be 6-3 is a load of crap.

We don't deserve our record?! What a load of crap.

WTH does that have to do with this thread?! And it was a 3rd round pick.

I don't know how many time I wanted to say no player wins them all. We're 6-2 because of the defense. I think most will agree. In the skins game, if the db doesn't screw up and not tackle AP, twice, we're not mentioning this. AP doesn't have over 100yds all game, much less the 1st half if those 2 tackles are made. That was 40 yds on 2 plays where the dline did its job. 1 player missing an assignment can make the whole defense look like crap and that's what happened. AP had like 8 yds the whole 2nd half. Why? Gap responsibility and tackling. The only issues with the dline has been Phillip's injury and Peko wasn't good. Let's hope Taylor and Liuget play as well as Star, Phillips and Oliver have most of the season.

Star says: "'Especially as a defensive line group, we've been playing fine. … ' He's right, even Oliver has been fine most of the times. The 2 new guys brought in has more to do with Phillip's injury and Peko not being good enough out there. He didn't flat out say it, but the lbs and safeties have to do their job too. And leave his contract out of it. Especially when a teammate flat out says 'there's a reason why he's paid what he's paid'. And that contract is NOT keeping us from signing anyone we want to sign. Thanks Thurman#1 for posting. I think. We'll see if the mob with torches and pitchforks backs off. Doubt it.

If there is swelling, I can't blame him if he shuts it down for a little longer. If he's doing this just to preserve himself for next year, ok. If the latter is the case, coming back for 2-3 games doesn't prove you're going to be dependable next year. I really don't want us to give him the long term deal he wants next off season I've said this from the time the rumors began before the trade deadline. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2860001-aj-green-trade-rumors-bengals-tell-teams-they-wont-deal-wr-at-2019-deadline “Granted, it's possible that the Bengals are trying to ramp up the price for Green by playing hard to get, though Green's injury history and looming free agency may limit any incoming offers. The seven-time Pro Bowler missed six games in 2016, seven games last season and every game thus far this season for the Bengals”

Oh Philip.

FG still wins it.

Dolan. Piece of crap. I actually gave up being a Knicks fan years ago after growing up as a fan.

Spider 2y banana?

That Raiders d is going to wear down.

Raiders depth chart online listed it as #12

Question went right over my head. My bad. #11 is what I saw. Correction: #12