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GET OVER IT!

I've never said I wanted Mahomes. You post so quickly, I'm not even sure you're reading half the time. I'm done talking in circles with you.

Did I? The problem with a guy like you, is even when you're proven to be completely full of it, you do not know when to back down.

Who is "we"? Here's the last thread you started, by the way: Bills have drafted 5 QBs since Kelly retired... In it you said this: Here's the post of mine that you flipped out on: Apparently some people just like to argue.

"I am guess" that it's the guy who gets in about 10 internet fights a day on a football message board.

I can't argue that at all. There's no doubt we've been ill-equipped to tame a QB for the future. It's possible that if we had drafted Ben Roethlisberger he'd have a similar fate to JP Losman. I still want us to try though. Literally only one of us is acting like a child.

You're right, the Bills were never going to draft QB, and that's pretty much my point. It's another year where we think the QB draft class will be better..."next year". We're more likely to draft the next John McCargo with that extra 1st round next year than we are to use it as "ammo" to get the sure thing at QB.

What's the point of even posting here then?

You're not sure what I'm saying? I'm saying that if Mahomes is a franchise QB, the Bills lost that trade. Would you trade a rookie CB, 3rd round pick, and next years 1st for a franchise QB? If the answer is no...

So that means he's completely absolved of any responsibility for their season? Maybe you don't know this, but his defense was ranked 26th in PPG against (Bills were ranked 16th).

You don't actually believe that, do you? We probably won the trade...but if Mahomes is a franchise QB, Bills LOSE. Hard.

Well said. The real kicker would be if Watson or Mahomes pan out, especially since all I've read is how EVERY QB is garbage in the draft this year.

No, you're right. The team has been managed expertly for the last 20 years. It's a real shock that they've missed the playoffs so consistently.

Thanks for laying that out differently. I agree with the premise. A quick revision though... we could have released Tyrod, kept Gilmore, made the signings you mentioned and drafted Mahomes or Watson at 10. I'm not saying that it's definitely a better option. You certainly have more players and perceived value... but if either become franchise QB's that's the better play 100%.

Timing seems to have been a real problem with this franchise lately, which is why I'm criticizing them so heavily for their cyclical drafting habits. If they pull off a great draft next year and get their franchise QB I will be forever happy. That hasn't happened yet. This franchise is just as likely to take John McCargo with that extra first.

I definitely don't know if Gilmore + Mahomes is better. I did the least draft prep I've ever done this year which is why most of my issues with the team are stemming from mistakes they have been making over time. I think if Mahomes or Watson turn out to be great then it's really all dumb because we missed out on those guys. The Gilmore contract vs Watkins is an interesting take. I really don't know what to do with Watkins next year, but if the plan is truly Tyrod, then yeah...what's the point.

I'm not trying to be difficult, but I legitimately couldn't follow this. Can you try a different approach?

But that's not really it is, it? It's more... Lattimore or White 2017 3rd Rounder 2018 1st Rounder or Gilmore (Tyrod is cut) Mahomes or Gilmore (Tyrod is cut) Watson ...something to that effect. I think the people that are a little concerned about the Bills are more concerned because of the lack of consistent plan over the last 4 17 years. If you disagreed with some of the offseason moves in the past, then why is it lattimore vs white/1/3. It's only that based on earlier decisions that many may have also disagreed with. All of this is a roundabout way of saying that I'm definitely not excited. They have to prove me wrong and I'll be so happy when they finally do. If they really made this move as ammo for a top QB (it's not that simple, lol), I'll probably be happier a year from now.

People have been saying that since Reid took over.

It's definitely possible that KC finishes well enough that the trade is hardly a win. The real test will be whether or not Mahomes becomes a gamer. If he does, you can throw your points out the window.

No, I think I understand that perfectly. Did you even read my post?

I'm not upset simply that they took a CB after letting Gilmore go. I'm upset that it was obvious we were headed this way since before Rex Ryan was even hired. The franchise has a nasty habit of cyclical drafting and we don't seem to have a long term plan. Whaley drafted Gilmore, decided not to re-sign him, but then waited until after he didn't re-sign him to draft his replacement. I'm not sure what the plan was with that exactly. Waste a top 10 pick on Gilmore and go all-in with that for four years? What was the point - there's still no resolution at QB? It's a waste. It's all been a waste. It shows no foresight and don't tell me I haven't been saying this since the Winfield > Clements > Greer carousel started. This franchise has overvalued CB and RB in the draft and has suffered tremendously for nearly 20 years because they haven't had a consistent plan. If Tyrod Taylor really is the plan, then call me in three years and let's talk about how many playoff games we've won. Andy Reid could have been wrong about Mahomes, I don't know... I didn't follow the draft as closely this year, but if he's right it will just be another classic Bills draft hilarity. Bottom line, I'm happy with the value the team got because they passed on Lattimore and got this guy and the extra picks...but they put themselves in this position and this GM is the one who got us here. A CB didn't NEED to be the guy if we had a plan years ago.

Ah the ol' character player route. I remember those years.

For some of us, this argument does nothing to address the real frustration we have with this frustration: The cyclical drafting habits and lack of a long term plan. It's nice value, sure. I'm happy they got what they wanted and all that, but there is a real lack of planning going on here. Whaley drafted Gilmore, decided not to re-sign him, but then waited until after he didn't re-sign him to draft his replacement. I'm not sure what the plan was with that exactly. Waste a top 10 pick on Gilmore and go all-in with that for four years? What was the point - there's still no resolution at QB? It's a waste. It's all been a waste. It shows no foresight and don't tell me I haven't been saying this since the Winfield > Clements > Greer carousel started. This franchise has overvalued CB and RB in the draft and has suffered tremendously for nearly 20 years because they haven't had a consistent plan. If Tyrod Taylor really is the plan, then call me in three years and let's talk about how many playoff games we've won. Andy Reid could have been wrong about Mahomes, I don't know... I didn't follow the draft as closely this year, but if he's right it will just be another classic Bills draft hilarity.

Not only that, but we're the kings of taking DBs and RBs in the first. How's that gameplan working out?