Dorkington

We have a team wide choking strategy on 3rd downs. Blah.

Rivers wasn't good until his third NFL season, playing his first two seasons behind Brees.

There's a reason I used quote marks, "real" meaning what most expectations were based on the preseason and our last 14 years. It's only three games, so who the hell knows what the actual real Bills are yet Only being down 10 points is better than a bigger gap, but San Diego is controlling every aspect of the game so far. It'll take some big turnovers for the Bills to escape with a win here.

I'm in the "let EJ develop for 3ish seasons camp" and I can fully admit, other than one play, he's looked bad today. That being said, his WRs aren't open, and the Chargers are collapsing the pocket. This is a whole team breakdown, so far.

Sadly, the "real" Bills showed up today... Very flat, lots of bad penalties, and outclassed in every respect. We'll see if our coaches can make some adjustments, but I'm not feeling great about this. 2-1 is still better than I expected so far, so I'm not too mad

I think my Sunday Ticket feed is a good minute behind O.o

Hell of a play to get out of that jam, EJ.

One of these years we'll get a well enough coached team to not be absolutely killed by penalties.

I don't get why it's legal for offensive players to grab defensive players facemasks...

Are we entering another era where our punter is our best player?

Game over.

Penalties, the sign of an undisciplined team.

I'll take a field goal, I guess... but if our offense can't do anything, it's all kinda moot.... C'mon guys, lets get a TD, lets get back in this.

That ball floated forever, should have been a play on the ball, bah!

We need a turnover so bad. We're not going to see the ball very often, and our offense is doing a whole lot of nothing so far... cmon D!

This is gonna get ugly, hopefully our offense can get going today.

Already seeing how much better the Chargers are vs the Bears and Dolphins

Oh man....

We have no chance if we don't sustain drives... Hope our defense can come up big!

I'm just gonna go through for ***** and giggles... going mostly by QB rating, and judging a QB as "top 10" when they put up multiple 90+ scores for multiple seasons Russell Wilson - 1st season Joe Flacco - n/a - Probably not considered "Top 10" Eli Manning - n/a - Probably not considered "Top 10" Aaron Rodgers - 4th season - looked pretty mediocre until the third season Drew Brees - 4th season - looked pretty average his first starting season (2nd NFL season), was awful in his 2nd starting season (3rd NFL season) then something awakened in him his 3rd(4th) Ben Roethlisberger - 1st season - Wasn't asked to do much, but finished with a high QB rating due to solid game management. Didn't really really "take over" until season 3 Peyton Manning - 2nd/6th season - his rookie campaign had the usual rookie inconsistencies, but he definitely showed promise. Didn't really start putting up gaudy QB rating until 6th season, though Tom Brady - 5th season - First few seasons were definitely decent for a young guy at his draft position, but didn't really start taking off until around the 5th season Brad Johnson - n/a - Probably not considered "Top 10" Trent Dilfer - n/a - Probably not considered "Top 10" Kurt Warner - 2nd* Season - Kurt had the benefit of 3 years of pro Arena experience after college. He got hot to start with, then had a few down years, then finished relatively strong. Not gonna bother going too much further. Because in former years, it was tougher to get 90+ QB ratings. Yes, I know this "study" is flawed... but I honestly feel our perception and expectations have changed because we have had Wilson and to a lesser extent Luck/Kaepernick/RGIII all show up as young/rookie QBs and be immediately successful. The truth is, it generally takes a QB time to find their footing in the NFL. I want to clarify, I'm not suggesting that EJ is going to be good/great because of the above "findings" but rather I'm sticking with my opinion in that "I don't know" what he's going to be, and that he's showing me enough to let him develop for a couple years before I throw him away.

How fast, historically, does each "Top 10" QB become "Top 10"?

I was just about to say the same thing...

Can someone remind me where the whole Chas thing came from? Someone famously screw up his name on air or something?

It's really going to depend on if we can make the playoffs while he's playing, I think. His peers respect him, always have, but playing for a loser probably taints things.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks 8 experts pick the Bolts, 4 experts pick the Bills. Better than usual for us...