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Allen could easily be going to the bench next season. Agreed though, he's the only one who is going anywhere (hopefully, the bench). The others are fine, McD does a good job and Bean has done a very good job (minus the QB pick/trade). Even Daboll appears to do an OK job.

Bills problem in a nutshell: QB is not good enough to consistently apply pressure on the opposing team throughout the game and often hurts us. /topic /season

Did the process include trading up to to draft another bust at QB? If we cut right down to the point that's really what everything we talk about revolves around and it's just obviously the truth now if we are honest with ourselves...this isn't 1985 it's 2019...you know what's up with your QB pretty quick. We know what's up with ours--we need a new one. We have a QB that can't pass. He's ok at throwing it hard though...at least there is that!

Not going to complain (in this topic anyway) about all the specifics that were so wrong with this game but the short of it is that today really highlighted all of our shortcomings in 1 game and resulted in us losing against a bad football team. Sure, the Browns added talent but they showed exactly why they don't win today very clearly and we basically out-Browns'd them anyway. So, to put in context how important this loss was to us: @Miami - Almost beat us at home recently and plays much better with Fitz at QB. We'll probably win but could easily lose. vBroncos - 50/50 at best...odds are the Broncos beat us. They're at least good enough to beat the Browns. @Cowboys - Obvious loss vRavens - Obvious loss @Steelers - 50/50 at best, not a game we are likely to win on the road. @NE - Obvious loss v.Jets - Again, we could easily lose. Probably win though. Bottom line is we're looking at a 9-7 records assuming we take care of business against Jets, Miami, and spit with Broncos/Steelers. We have to do that AND either sweep the Steelers/Broncos match-ups or beat one of the vastly superior teams (Ravens, Pats, Cowboys) to get to 10. Today was a terrible loss. 6-3 for now but the cakewalk schedule is about to heat up.

Tough loss, didn't have to be so close if Josh Allen was any good. Speaking of which, why do the mods delete any topic critical of Allen?

Plenty of room to win this easily if Josh was good at all, but he wasn't. Numbers don't much matter either. As it is, we still could have won if Hauschka makes it kicks..but we'll never have a good lead with Josh playing as he does he's just not a good QB.

A solid stadium wall would be mostly critical IMO. If I can't B word about the Bills I don't really need an internet forum...

Twitterverse "doctors" suspect surgery and serious time out. Possibly season. Hense why the Bills may go to the AFC Championship game lol

This injury may be opportunity to meet the Pats in the AFC Championship. In one world we play the Texans on the road and then travel to KC then NE. Now, maybe we get the Texans then Raiders (or vice versa) then Pats. LOL. This is called thinking ahead. But even with Josh Allen at QB we could string together wins over the Texans and Raiders.

I can't read through the whole thread to see what was discussed and I won't bother mincing words here or worrying about being classless....this injury may be really good for us and opens some serious doors come playoff time.

Steelers game is going to be very tough as will the Ravens. Browns also probably a tough game for us. Lots of tough games to come we will do well to win half of remaining games but we should be able to win half and that would put us in the playoffs.

That shot of the crowd was nuts, half the stadium is Steelers fans

If we could get AJ Green, Von Miller, and Trent Williams we could possibly make the superbowl. Of course, Allen would probably still piss the season away with god awful QBing but at least we would have a shot to overcome even his shittiness.

It's 2019 I have no issue with Dabboll throwing on first down. Josh needs to stop throwing to the other team. I find it refreshing that Dabboll's attitude is that we're going to run modern offense no matter what...about time.

Greatest since '85 bears? Lmfao. Let the season play out.

I'm going to go ahead and say yes...I would trade for Foles if he was healthy and we were going to the playoffs. For sure. People can talk ***** all they want but that would be a great move for us. IDK what you want Dabboll to do it isn't his fault Josh makes bad throws and fumbles. The plans seem balanced, we take risks, guys do get open, we run enough and it works enough ... it's all there man Dabboll is doing a decent job.

The Pats defense as the greatest defense is just utter and complete garbage. Stop with it. They've played total garbage offenses...including us. Our defense is better.

As hard as I am now on Josh this is very true...Josh is in no way sucking as obviously and clearly permanently as EJ did. EJ obviously would never be able to play. Josh just clearly can't play right now...unclear as to the future (although trending poorly).

The stats are what they are...I think everyone would agree that despite the stats Allen does show more promise with the explosive plays and willingness to go for it and having won us a few games with clutch performance. So that's miles above EJ ... on the same token the stats don't mean nothing and they certainly tell truth on the INTs which are terrible.

QB A: 248 - 451, 2,977 yards, 6.6 yard per attempt, 13 tds, 18 interceptions, 13 fumbles, 8-7 recordQB B: 256 - 437, 2,810 yards, 6.4 yards per attempt, 16 TDs, 12 interceptions, 7 fumbles, 6-8 recordQB A is Josh Allen to date (through game 4 of season 2). QB B is EJ Manuel through game 4 of his second season. Reminder, EJ Manuel was benched 4 games into his second season.

It's not a matter of losing faith just a matter of the performance has not been good enough. Not that he can't grow and learn but he should be better at this point. His performance is worse than EJ was through week 4 of season 2 and EJ was benched.

Gardner Minshew looks good ?

Agreed. I think the team is better with Matt right now for this reason--not to say that Matt is great. He certainly has less upside than Josh ... but we're a pretty good football team at the moment and we kind of just need to take care of the football and make a few nice plays. Matt can do that. I think we'll be fine and have a good chance to beat the Titans.

LOL not trolling. I get it and take it with a grain of salt but it's not all bad and nice to know what they write about guys.

Well it's 4 games. Maybe he's doing a lot of under the hood stuff well? That Peko guy really popped off the screen today. He made some big plays ... him and Jordan Philips.