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As critical of the Ford selection, and his play, as I have been..........he does have two seasons of team control left so he could in theory end up as a backup to Lamp and then succeed him in 2022 if Lamp does well and departs in FA. I won't shed a tear if he gets sent off but they've got guys like Lamp and Bates and Boettger (and essentially Morse) on one year deals so if Ford shows improvement I could see them holding on to him even if he can't beat out Lamp or Feliciano for work.

To play Yolo's advocate tho.........he might be getting married or having a child born etc..

It's good business sense. If every team had ONE stud TE then it would be a huge disadvantage not to have one. When things are needed they become more valuable $$$. The scarcity of good TE's actually works against them at contract time because teams are accustomed to operating successfully without them.

He was only converted from QB to TE with the Bills. But he had been signed to the PS by Whaley just weeks before Rex got canned so he wasn't a McBeane guy. Had they signed him they might have had more patience........obviously the Bills TE room has been one of the league's worst since McD arrived. But with the clusterf*ck that the 2018 offense was it's not surprising that evaluation mistakes were made.

His son Robert was a big time QB recruit a decade ago. Played at the U and then Purdue and I thought he might carve out a nice career in the CFL but he gave up after a year and a half.

Kelce tries to pressure Kittle to run more routes after practice etc..

Again.......you thought I wrote 300+.........I wrote 300#..........you misread it........making it a totally different point.😂 Go down to your local Dollar Tree and get a pair of these:

Got to give the people what they want. I'm working on a dramatic ending for the star saga........this is what I got so far:

It's time for reading glasses dude. I didn't say 300+..........I said 300#.

I think in general most fans have come to realize that drafting a RB in the first round is a no-no.............but they are using the "final piece of the puzzle" idea very liberally as an excuse to make an exception. The problem with saying the #30 is like a second rounder idea is that #30 has a lot more value than #33..........because the team gets a 5th year option on first rounders. Which is VERY important for players at key positions that can get very expensive. Even if you hope to sign them to an extension sooner it is a big bargaining chip. In the case of Josh Allen.........even with a VERY high 5th year option # it is far less expensive to pick up that option than what his aav will be on his next deal. It provides leverage for the team and impetus for the player to get a deal done. Being free to walk after year 4 is a gift for players at high dollar positions. I agree that the pick was better used on a high ceiling pass rusher.

Why are you immune to the wrath of @Royale with Cheese? He's frickin' demanding I provide data that proves fat people are more at risk for heart disease.............if he asks me to prove that water is wet I might need your help.

Yeah my point was that they weren't the final piece of championship puzzle as a rookie...........like Tony Dorsett in 1977 was..........which is a big part of the argument behind drafting Etienne. I don't think anyone believes Etienne is going to have the career impact that those guys had generations ago when RB's were still often the best athletes on teams...........but they do have expectations that aren't supportable with comparable examples of that.

No...........in fact, nothing in @Hapless Bills Fan response said anything about that. However.........you should join the "open a thread about a subject and complain about that subject matter being discussed again in that thread club" with @NewEra. (I kid NewEra, I kid)

Yeah, that was a REAL low blow making light of you shutting down a thread that everyone knew was going to get shut down by someone. Either that or a missed opportunity for you to have a sense of humor about a situation with a controversial player that everyone knew was going to come to a head at some point. People make excuses for a player based often on faith in them..........and then when it starts looking like that faith wasn't warranted........THEN they get upset. This is the beginning of THEN. Based on McD actually addressing the situation with a negative...........I'd say not wanting him around is an option.

Yeah..........and considering how little a 10 year vet 1 tech DT would have to gain from being at a voluntary OTA............sounds like patience with his reasoning for not being with the team is running thin. McBeane are humans........it can be expected that they didn't enjoy his decision to opt out and have been wondering about his commitment to the team.

And that issue is usually very much a function of being overweight and obese. Like all 300# NFL lineman. Not a matter of if I agree with it or not. The majority of at risk players showed up and played. Star was an unusual case because he is making the small circles around the drain of his NFL career and his salary was fully guaranteed. He had a lot of motivation to take the opt out and not expose himself to the risk that the normies and at-risk but financially less-secure were.

That looks serious.........he should opt out. According to the AHA more than 1 in 3 adult males have heart disease. The oversized and overweight are at much higher risk.

"cardiac issue" is a pretty broad definition. I think virtually every older OL and interior DL player has underlying medical conditions. Almost all of them played thru them. I'm not saying that Star isn't one cheeseburger away from a heart attack but having his salary fully guaranteed whether he played or not AND then getting an extra free $350K to stay home would financially motivate A LOT of older players that have just been forced to take a pay cut to stay home. The writing was on the wall. This was probably his last NFL paycheck. Also, fwiw I really don't think him not being here for volunataries is a sign of anything. I suspect he will suck or not play for the Bills at all this season, but 10 year vets often don't show for these things. He has the least complex job on the entire defense and this isn't a new install...........even if he didn't suck he wouldn't need to be at this OTA.

Quick.......get your Star barbs in before Hapless sees this!

Let me give you yet another lesson in "logic". When 3 teams tie for first........do we say "they finished 3rd"? Of course not........in statistics you utilize the lower number and denote a tie........just saying "the Bills finished 26th" implies that there were 25 better teams.........which is false. Saying that they finished tied for 22nd implies that 21 teams had better numbers without saying that 10 teams had worse. I'd say you were being intentionally deceitful...........but I've seen your lines of reasoning before and they are frequently missing logically derived points. Furthermore.........the gap between the 16th ranked ypc teams and the 22nd ranked group in 2020 is just a measly .1 ypc..........so despite playing the most playoff teams in the league and having a beat up LB corps the Bills were just .1 ypc off of the league median. By contrast.....the LAST place rush defense was .6 yards per carry worse than the Bills. So yeah......intentionally or ignorantly.........you were greatly skewing the significance of those stats. And it's not like the much-pined-for 2019 Bills run defense was good........they were just middling.....allowing 4.3 ypc in a league that averaged 4.3 ypc......... despite having "Star" and a number of MORE impactful and since-departed players than him in the front 7........all with a healthier defense and playing maybe their easiest schedule since the league went to 16 games in 1978. As for the Bucs........if you want to build your team expectations around what amounts to a Brooklyn Nets/LA Lakers style NBA super-team build.........good luck with that. That's not a reasonable model personnel-wise and nor is losing 5 regular season games, not even winning your own division and having to win 3 games on the road.

He looks great, IMO. Ten years younger without the beard. So if that makes him like a 22 year old again............it's like having a second first rounder.

In 2020, the Bills were tied for 22nd in ypc........not alone in 26th as you are trying to paint it. And the league as a whole allowed more yards on the ground in 2020..........up from 4.3 yards per carry in 2019 to 4.4 yards per carry in 2020. Obviously a much tougher schedule, losing 3 high production guys in Phillips, Shaq and Alexander, both starting LB's injured for most of the season were all contributors in the modest, adjusted .2 yards per carry decline in rush defense. But the 2020 team was still middle of the pack(16th) in rush yards allowed, held Derrick Henry to his lowest yardage output in his 2,000 yard season and played excellent defense from mid-season on. More significant is this: the three best regular season teams in the NFL.....and 3 of the 4 title game teams....... were the KC, GB and Buffalo.......and KC and GB ranked right there with Buffalo averaging 4.5 yards per carry. Not a significant difference. It's not a run and stop the run league anymore. In 2019 the Chiefs won the Super Bowl allowing 4.9 yards per carry.

Correct on Donald. Moulds wasn't that near HOF quality though. Hall of very good........a very easy scratch for voters. He had one truly great season and didn't rank consistently among the very elite WR of his time like Andre Reed did year-in-and-out in the late 80's and early 90's. He played an ugly game for the back half of his career and had few signature moments......his only chance was an accumulator and he simply didn't accumulate enough to be in strong consideration for the HOF.