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Very replaceable at this point, but maybe he makes strides. I wonder if there will be some competition for the interior positions next summer. Bills don't have a lot of depth at some positions but OL is one they do. After watching Grable move again yesterday it might be hard to justify him being on the bench.

Yeah it wasn't a good finish. Gabe didn't have the talent that Coleman has. It's remarkable that a guy with hands as poor as Davis could even make it to the NFL. But I remember Gabe catching 3 passes on 14 targets in the meaningless finale against NYJ after the 2021 season and then two weeks later he had that game for the ages against KC in the divisional round with over 200 yards. Hopefully Coleman catches fire in the playoffs.

I would say he was slightly better than I expected as a rookie. I thought he had a Davante-Adams-type ceiling but was much more raw entering the league. Took Adams a couple years to learn how to translate his athleticism into skill. Neither had the benefit of elite speed or a quickness. I thought he'd have low numbers like Adams did early in his career, but he exceeded my expectations. If he doesn't get hurt he might have actually gotten up around 700 yards.

White was brutal. He made the terrible Mitchy Biscuits look competent by comparison.

The playoff shootout between Allen and Mahomes after the 2021 season has been cited for a league-wide move toward defense's prioritizing preventing big plays over all else. Scoring dropped significantly the next couple seasons and early in the season it seemed that the trend would continue.........but offense's have been on fire since. I don't know if the playoffs will turn into a bunch of shootouts......defense is an effort/execution game and that generally ramps up........but I wouldn't be surprised if the playoffs look a bit more like 2020-2021.

And Allen turned the ball over(fumble) on the first series of the season.

Grable is another example of extra college eligibility giving the league a more finished product. Spencer Brown signed an extension at 26. Grable will be 26 next season.

Yeah I remember when the Bills did it and the local new hire ball-washers claimed the Bills were ahead of the curve for doing it and that it would be the trend around the league. In that process, desperately needing a franchise QB, they traded away the pick that was used for maybe the GOAT QB and their own future oppressor, let the soon-to-be NFLDPOY walk without a franchise tag etc.. If Josh Allen had gone #1 overall, where he had at times been projected in the year prior, then who knows how many HC's and GM's the Bills would have had since then.

Yeah I was a little disappointed with him against Tyrod. Should have sacked him on one play where Taylor rolled left but he took a horrible pursuit angle. He seems to have the athletic ability to be a situational rusher at least.

Yeah I didn't think much of losing the series. Everyone knew the Sabres weren't a cup contender. That's why Pegula tore it down. Changing the quality of player they could acquire by tanking made sense......but he totally miscalculated the value of hiring great hockey people to run the team. Missing on McDavid was one of the worst moments in Buffalo sports history but that's not an excuse in hindsight because they drafted plenty of talented players, obviously.

Thankfully she gradually insinuated herself into their relatively friendly tailgate and that helped wind down a lot of year-round drama at ours. It's one thing when you have one or two people like that in a big group but we already had enough issues keeping our group unincarcerated without adding Dennis Rodman to the roster.

I was there. They gave out white shirts to the fans as you walked into the arena in Philly. I tucked mine in the collar of my shirt like a bib. Flyer fan with us thought I was going to get myass kicked but they were actually good natured about it. Would have never dreamed that would be the last Sabres playoff trip for 14 years.

Side bar story for the ketchup spray: We tailgated at Pole 6 which was a line directly across from the Pinto tailgate and one of our group at the time.......the infamous Crazy Kim......got involved in standing on the Pinto and when she did we would pepper her with donuts. One time I drilled her with a boston creme and it blew up all over her. A subsequent week I was not involved in the donut toss but she got tagged by someone else and when she came down she sought me out. I was in conversation with TSW's "Cigar Mark".......who I believe is @Mark80 now? Anyway, I am talking to Mark and I hear a "tink" sound and Mark says "did something just hit my glasses?". Indeed. Kim had picked up a small rock and thrown it at me and missed and Red-Rydered Mark.

He fired 4 coordinators(?) in 7 years. I think that would be a fairly common amount for a first time HC who lasts that long. Two of those were from the first staff and didn't have a prior connection to McBeane (Crossman was a holdover). I don't see any avoidance of accountability. I understand that a lot of people don't think he's a "great" HC and that they need a great one to win SB's. And when you feel that way it's exasperating. We watched Marv cost the Bills the SB year after year so we are familiar with being out-coached in big games. But there are other realities at play here. It's not the 1990's anymore. The Bills organization had arguably become the worst in the NFL and tied with the Sabres as the worst in pro sports before McBeane took over. Even notably worse than Woody's Jets. So trusting ownership to make a change should be a no-go. If Allen insists on it, then you pull the trigger. He's the franchise. Otherwise I think you hope McBeane continue to improve on the job. Which they have, even if it's still not where people want it to be.

And your claim is that Allen didn't suffer concussions in Baltimore or Houston because he was allowed to come back into the game. So Tua didn't have a concussion because he came right back into the game against the Bills back in 2022 right?

He and Will McDonald don't seem to like each other. I was hoping to see some of their discussions but that might have triggered somebody.

I do remember Kruger. He was awesome in that stretch. As was the non-elite Flacco. And they beat Luck, Manning and Brady to do it. So that is an example that proves it CAN happen.

I do think we tend to see our situation of not winning as particularly disappointing..........but it's not really different than what Andy Reid went thru in Philly. In hindsight McNabb wasn't an all-time great but he was a superstar in his time and the competition in conference wasn't all of Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson every year either. And Reid squandered a bunch of #1 seedings with McNabb and the SB they did make was uncompetitive. McD has blown none of those #1 seeds, he has a dynasty in his conference to contend with and has had a better winning % than Reid did during his Eagles tenure. It's frustrating but whenever I see anyone say they "should have won one by now" I really don't think it's a shoulda' situation. It was a coulda' situation. None of the teams that the Bills lost to in the playoffs were clearly lesser than the Bills.

Yeah this is why the Bills are the Vegas favorite to land Myle Garrett in trade this offseason. They need a difference maker. Rousseau may eventually get there but if he continues to track like a better, latter day version of Calais Campbell he might not hit that point where he can be considered great until he reaches his athletic peak at 26-27. Which is a way off.

They do have very good depth at RB, TE and WR. But where you are stretching it is thinking that is what allows them to play roles that suit them. The reason they can is because they added Cooper and Coleman stepped up. Before that, Bills opponents didn't have to defense the entire field and it was becoming "nobody eats". The reason is that there was a lot of redundancy in what the majority of the Bills receiving threats could do. Cooper and Coleman are the exceptions. They had some early season blowouts but they weren't really offense-driven. But since the Cooper trade they've scored 30+ in 8 of 9 games. Aside from the lethargic Pats effort the only one where the offense wasn't sharp was the game in Indy where they scored 23 offensively........with Cooper out. And you lost me at Gabe Davis. In hindsight we should shudder at the thought that behind Diggs in 2022 the Bills next 3 best passing game weapons were ball droppers Davis, Knox and Lil' Dummy. The suspense of whether they'd even catch it or not was palpable.

Will McD be more likely to quit or be fired if he leaves in the near future? I hope they win that SB this year and that doesn't happen......but if not I certainly don't think Terry Pegula would fire McD for another playoff loss. But the fans sorta' ran Mularkey out of town when he quit. If McD perceives he's grossly under appreciated and doesn't like his treatment in the area maybe he decides to move on. That would be a tough call with Josh Allen at QB and control of the purse strings. Maybe Tepper gets humbled and offers he and Beane the same deal to return home to Carolina after 2025.

Yeah there was a point early last game where I wondered if he was just getting the majority of the day off. His body language on the sideline was very relaxed like he knew he wasn't playing........but he was right there on the edge with his helmet on. And then he'd come on for a play and come off again. My guess has been that they have been protecting the wrist by not asking him to block as much but I don't have data to prove that.

Yeah I respect the process that you use to come to your opinions I am just using your own logic against you. The piece you seem to give no merit to yet is the concept that there are things that you don't know that you don't know. Like regarding my allegiance to Miami. I don't play favorite to a player because they played for Miami. I may just know more about them than you learn from looking at cut-up game tape. Like last year you had a good pretty ranking on CB Tyrique Stevenson coming out. If you look at his tape you see physical potential. But if you knew what happened between those plays you would know that the guy is a knucklehead and a culture problem. He was a UDFA to me. Off-the-board. DT Leonard Taylor, on the other hand, he played 2022 on cruise control so his tape looked like sh!t. But it wasn't an attitude problem, he was simply trying to survive on a bad team and get to the draft. He grossly miscalculated that his 5 star status would get him picked on day 2 at least. But he's not a bad guy. The Jets got an absolute steal with him. This is stuff you don't know if you are just watching tape or relying on opinions of a scout you might now who is spread way too thin. Another example is you thinking that Ken Dorsey's tantrum after lil' Dummy totally blew that game in Miami a couple years ago was outrageous. I sit about 15 feet directly in front of Brady and Babich. They get angry and frustrated too. After the Dorsey incident they know to turn their back to the camera which makes the footage unusable. They aren't on the sideline it's not the same as if McD shows emotion.

I think they just know that with Josh Allen playing against a defense that feels forced to defend the entire field.........low risk plays equal long drives and TD's. Complementary football has been what McD has wanted ever since his defense sort of came apart in that London game last year. It hasn't really been fixed since. And when Cooper is on the field the opponents continue to roll a safety to his side. It's kind of surprising that the Bills can still run 3 x 1 and the Jets would have a safety almost lined up right behind the CB across from Cooper on the other side. DC's really do not want those big plays on their coaching reel.

Which........gets back to my point. It's Josh Allen's offense. https://www.buffalobills.com/video/joe-brady-this-is-josh-allen-s-offense-buffalo-bills I'm not bashing Brady. I think he's done a good job with what he has. Which is a different and better cast......and a better version of Josh Allen.......than what his predecessor had. I take issue with some really terrible decisions in key moments and perhaps forcing the run game in response to his critics at his last gig. But he and Dorsey are young OC's and if you expect a lot better.......well, perhaps aside from Ben Johnson, those kind of guys are calling plays from the HC position elsewhere. I'm merely pushing back against the hyperbolic nonsense that this thread was built upon.