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There actually isn't any off field behavior problem that I am aware of. I haven't heard anything of the sort about Keon and probably would have. James Cook? Yeah, that guy was/is an off field concern. But that goes to show how much that matters if you keep expectations modest and let a player ramp up to his level. The problem as I see it is that they promoted Coleman like they'd just drafted Malik Nabers when he was a raw day 2 pick that was likely going to need a significant runway. Now they realize he needs to be 100% all-in right-here-right-now to even get close to the unrealistic timeline that they created with the hype. And as a 22 year old that they handed millions to, he likely just doesn't know what he doesn't know and aint there yet. Remember, this is the same organization that took in Jordan Phillips and gladly dealt with his lack of maturity and unwillingness to do the dirty work necessary to be a versatile DT and damn near glorifies the half effort they have been able to get out of him when Miami cut him for being that guy.

While it's nice to get these niche records, Cam and Kordell aren't HoF players he's passing. I think we'd all prefer to see the 2020 Josh come back but Beane has repeatedly failed to put the players around him in the passing game since after the 2021 season(when the concerns about the WR core really began......at the time wrt the lack of speed after John Brown had flamed out).

Meh.......I think Shakir is trending toward becoming an injury fail. He's not good at avoiding big hits and it's taken it's toll. He was a liability on the field last week. So there might be room for Coleman to develop in the slot if retained in 2026. What would be Billsy is if they got rid of Coleman(and Samuel and Moore) and then Shakir continues to accumulate a brand new injury every week and turns into Terrel Bernard 2.0 while Glass Kincaid continues to shatter on contact.

Parker was actually a 4.45 guy. Where the comparison comes in is that there are multiple examples of these bigger bodied guys taking longer to develop because they lack the speed and or quickness to dominate initially. When Parker broke out he was probably trending toward stringing a few 1000 yard seasons in a row up.....which would be an excellent result from an early second round pick like Coleman. But injuries got Parker and derailed his career after that 1200 yard 9 TD season. Davante Adams and Nico Collins didn't break out until age 24.........that would be year 4 for Coleman. Which illustrates my point about the Bills putting way too much on his plate this year.

When you aren't playing well you look slow. Remember when people were saying Spencer Brown didn't have the feet to play tackle? You can't expect to get early career boundary WR1 results from the 8th WR selected in a draft. But they did. What was maddening was the marketing of him as a rookie.........all the merch that was made by the team and the ridiculous expectations that created. I don't even remember them marketing Allen like that as a rookie but certainly no-non QB rookie in memory was given the treatment like that. And some of the color that made him interesting to the Bills marketing department was clearly a red flag about his maturity level.

You are talking to the guy who was considering getting goats for his suburban home to simplify his turf management. The next time he identifies a pattern before the driving force has left tire marks on him will be the first.

Yeah there are A LOT of people impressed with the Bills WR's yesterday but that is probably the worst pass defense they will face this season. Secondary in disarray and no pass rush to help them. When Dean went down Tampa was f#cked.

Lynch was a sub-league average ypa RB each season from 2007 to 2010. It was fun watching him crash into defenders........but today we'd call him "game script" dependent. In his "pro bowl" season in Buffalo he was actually only 13th in rushing yards and just 25th in ypa with a pretty pathetic 6 yards per catch as a receiver. Despite high first round pedigree Lynch was only worth about a 3rd round pick(Buddy only got a 4th) It certainly wasn't ANYWHERE NEAR the value that a 21 year old 1100 yard 7 TD rookie WR would have today. Probably a first rounder-in-trade level short. So let's be realistic with our parallels. Had Coleman not gotten hurt he likely clears 700 yards as a rookie.......which would have been tremendous rookie production from one of the youngest, least polished WR in that draft. Beane f#cked up royally expecting him to be WR1. He was/is a project with a very high ceiling.

What were your thoughts on the always injured and seemingly football ignorant Cole Bishop back in September? Things change fast in the NFL. The Lynch comparison is apt, IMO, because his complete lack of accountability was a massive problem for a rudderless Bills team at the time. I was one of his most vocal critics but didn't advocate getting rid of him at the time. Like Coleman, he was put in a spot he wasn't mature enough to be able to handle. In both cases the Bills put the cart before the horse.

The extent of support here in WNY for ANY Toronto sports team is the equivalent(or less) of that of any other organization the Bisons have been temporarily affiliated with. Very, very little. A few minor-league nerds and people with family in Canada. That's about it. The reason is we do not root for Canadian sports teams in the US. I get it, the NFL is the most popular sport, you don't have one and you like having one nearby in the US where you can act a fool with the "neanderthals". Feel free to spend your money down here but don't come to a Bills forum all pathetic and whiny and expect us to cry in our beer with you when your foreign baseball team loses to a US team in the WS. Doesn't work that way. The Blue Jays did their part to create some malice against them with their pathetic sore-winner antics(after a half decade of underachieving) but even if they hadn't it just pulls on our patriotic heart-strings to root for the US side in a championship. And don't boo our anthem and claim it's because some politician said something and not expect retaliation. That's idiotic on your part. The anthem and the flag are not property of our politicians. We are split down the middle on politics down here but those things belong to all of us.

I think Davis Webb is the most obvious choice because of the connection to Josh Allen. Get to keep an EP system. Josh Allen isn't going to accept some Joe Pendry type middling re-tread like McDermott might otherwise be in the market for. And the really hot names like Kubiak are looking for HC jobs. In the unlikely event that they move on from McDermott the name I wonder about is Matt LaFleur. If the Packers get bounced early in the playoffs maybe Packers management decides to move on.

I don't know if people remember Tanney but he was quite a social media sensation in the day as the Trick Shot QB.

The biggest issue with Beane has been pro personnel. That's been catastrophic. Bad evaluating, bad players signed, gross over-pays.......it's ruined their cap and put enormous pressure on the draft process. The Beane Bills are pretty decent at drafting. To the point where you can see where they might be excellent if not reaching for needs created by awful pro personnel work. You gotta' take shots at premium positions early and first round picks around the league are pretty much 50/50 as to whether they are worth the option........let alone extending.

Yeah the 1989 Bills were just a 2nd year contender and had a roster full of young difference makers. Confidence was very low in the coaching staff but they were so talented that the objective of the offseason after 1989 was addition by subtraction(Fred Smerlas in particular). This certainly ain't that. 1994 was the clear end of that run of dominance but it wasn't the end for the Bills SB chances........they had just reached the point where they had to cross their fingers for health and win with just a capable roster and a winning culture instead of a great roster like they had from 88'-92' or so. That's where the Bills are now. John Butler did a decent job re-tooling the personnel(despite some blind spots in talent evaluation) in the mid-90's and the 1999 team really should have won the SB that year. Most stifling, talented defense the Bills have had since the merger.

First of all.......addressing that anthem booing nonsense......even you know that Canadian fans started it. You have no right to complain or call people Neanderthals for responding. What did you expect. Nobody here in the US paid any attention to the 51st state nonsense. That junk was just jockeying and interference run between politicians. Canadians got extremely bent out of shape because of a little brother complex when the reality is that the citizens here just view Canada as a neighbor. 1. The Jays were just 9th in MLB in attendance despite a first place team and basically a new stadium. Try to spin it all you want. Not even one f#cking sellout and then go out of your way to act a fool after you lost in the WS? You and your fellow fans didn't earn the right to do that. 2. No sh!t. Exactly my point. Not a baseball town. You want to boo after the Make Believes prove to be pretenders again.........have at it. You've earned that right. 3. Idiotic nonsense. 4. No I said Toronto fans are underrated in the assh0le category. Not that they are in any way unique in being assh0les at pro sports games. Canadian sports teams are nearly completely irrelevant in the US so most fans here assume that all Canadians are just a super nice bunch of folks. In reality, Toronto fans are up there with Philadelphia fans in their obnoxiousness to opposing fans but most people here wouldn't expect that. And the buses that have come into Buffalo from Toronto for Bills games for years bring among THE worst behaved of fans to the games. Undeniable fact. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that familiar accent harassing opposing fans(or even home team fans) at Bills games. Often they are not even Bills fans they are just here because they can behave in ways here that would incarcerate them in Ontario. Fortunately, they tend to be huge pu$$ies so if they are harassing you....just take the drink out of their hand, throw it in their face and it will shut their whole bunch up. Which is kinda' my point.........you guys ain't about it so don't act like you are. And I've never said sh!t to anyone at a sporting event in Toronto. I ignore it just like I do at all the other places I travel to games for. It just is what it is. You can take offense or you can accept the truth.

I'm not simply comparing rosters. But that '89 team, by a wide margin, had the best roster in the AFC. On paper, they had no real weaknesses and a great deal of excellent young depth. The 1994 roster had fallen back toward the pack. This 2025 Bills team has some gaping holes like that 1994 unit. I'm really talking about how they are performing after a 6 year run as a contender from 1988-1993 versus the 2019-2024 6 year playoff run of this group. The 1995 Bills needed and got a pretty big overhaul on defense plus the addition of Ruben Brown(who played great as a rookie).

Well we did notice 4 different Bills fans walking on crutches around the lots and into game so there definitely was some similarity between the team and it's fans. Later a fight broke out and some dude was beating another fan with his cane. Just a sh!t show all around. Team didn't bring the energy and neither did the fans. I was afraid of a let-down after the Chiefs game. This team has those 1994 vibes where one week it looks like they can easily overcome their obvious personnel deficiencies and the next they can look hopelessly flawed.

If they were they sure were drinking and vaping their a$$es off thru it etc.. Dumba$$es just standing in front of people during plays while making zero noise. Useless. It was a real bad showing. Really blew a takeover opportunity and the defense probably could have used that shot in the arm. The Bills fans who went to the game and weren't making noise basically got what they put into it.

I think this team has 1994 Bills vibes. They look like their old SB-contending selves some weeks...........and then they can't take care of business against underdog opponents and look incompetent and their weaknesses look insurmountable. The issues in 1994 were pass rush and OL. The most glaring issues this year are WR and LB play. That 1994 team still had a puncher's chance to get back to the SB if Kellly hadn't gotten hurt.......but instead missed the playoffs entirely after Kelly got his knee busted up on a low hit by Jack Del Rio in an upset home defeat to a Vikings team. There is still a chance but this is a "game script" dependent team. They aren't going to be able to bully their way back like in recent years when they've slept-walked thru the middle of seasons.

I agree with a lot of that having sat in different places around the stadium in the times I've been there. But at midfield sound is fine. Too loud, but audible. There is one good lot of partying Dolphins fans by the front.......the rest of the place is usually lame. The military appreciation stuff for that game was probably a bit less than it is for an average game in Buffalo now, IMO. I just wish they brought out people who were injured or suffering to brighten their lives instead of the people who are doing just great and have lived to 100. No offense to those people but it's pretty transparent that it's as primarily an advertising opportunity so if you are missing a bone you gotta' wait to be thrown one. My main complaint was the travel-size Bills fans who show up and don't make any noise. The showing by the Bills fans in the stadium was as bad as the product on the field IMO. Loud for the first defensive series and then not a peep. Pathetic. We even had a few Bills fans who thought we were being too loud cheering on the Bills when they were on D and were looking at us like we were talking in a theatre LOL. These resort location games just draw people with more time and money than they have passion for the game or the team.

You are the one supporting "neanderthal American" football so look in the mirror if you want paint all of us in the USA with that brush. My point is a lot of people just don't understand what a bunch of a$$holes Toronto sports fans can be. The fact that they never sold out a damn baseball game all regular season when they spent a good half of the season in first place and then were so salty about losing the league title speaks VOLUMES about the fan base. THAT is an example where a broad brush is all it takes. You guys weren't even all-in once for 81 home dates. Nope. Not until you thought you were going to get a prize for showing up. If you are going to be fair-weather fans in a sport then take the L just as passively.

Yeah, I mean.........meaningless @Big Turk? That's a totally absurd thing to say after these annual swoons have routinely hampered their playoff positioning. The need for help on the boundary is not new. The moment Gabe Davis got elevated to WR2 they got less efficient and explosive in the passing game. Turning it over to him was obviously a mistake from the get-go. They've reduced the turnovers with him gone but they can't consistently move the ball in the air the way a team with an MVP level QB should. Struggles in the passing game have cost them a number of early and mid-season games the past few years.......leaving them out of a #1 seed........and then that passing game eventually floundered again in their last 3 playoff defeats. Particularly at the end of the last two, with the ball in hand and a chance to close out the game. I mean the only divisional or championship game where they've passed the ball well is the 13 seconds game and that's 1 of 7 games. People want to blame the offense for giving up a TD more per game in those divisional and AFCCG's but the offense also scores a TD less.

If teams look closely at his metrics they will see that he's helped immensely by being a pull hitter in Yankee stadium and that it's unlikely to translate into similar results almost anywhere else. So if you are giving him a 5 year deal you gotta' figure something more like his 2024 Cubs numbers.

I predicted this thread a week ago.

Why not, right? We have to live in the Beane reality.........he traded the second round pick he got for Diggs to move up for TJ Sanders in the second round. For 13 months that was supposed to be this important foundational re-stocking pick and he traded it to move up for the modest producing, 3rd best player on his college DL in TJ Sanders. These picks are not really THAT valuable in real time.