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I don't even presume he took it in HS. I think he was a golf major. It's the anniversary of his impactful performance in the Egg Bowl I wonder if he will show up to support Kiffin and the boys. https://www.businessinsider.com/video-egg-bowl-ole-miss-piss-elijah-moore-mississippi-state-2019-11

The next time Elijah Moore is a positive for a team's offense it will be the first time in his NFL career. He has a CAREER 65.7 passer rating when targeted and was probably the worst receiver in the NFL to get regular snaps in 2024. There is a real chance he would have at least started the season on a practice squad this season if the Bills hadn't thrown him a lifeline. Allen ever trusting Moore was a stretch. Additionally, it doesn't take much research to see that in Brady's first season as an NFL OC in Carolina he had two 1,000+ yard receivers plus an 800+ yard Curtis Samuel. None of which were superstars. This coming off having the greatest passing offense in the history of college football. But not running the ball enough was cited in his firing in Carolina. I think people need to consider the fact that he is running what Josh Allen and McDermott want. A simple system. Which would probably work in spite of perceived predictability if the talent was right. Moore wasn't ever going to move the needle for this team but some of you just can't get over his draft pedigree.

Unless you and @gobills404 don't follow the NFL or are just bad at math it shouldn't seem disingenuous. That record is EXACTLY what the Rams were. No spin. They were around .500 over that period and teams that can do that are going to be in WC contention. In fact, the Rams then started out 1-4 in 2024.........so they were actually 16-23 over the first 39 games post SB win. It was getting ugly. But that 25-26 also INCLUDES their extraordinary 10-2 finish last year(when Bills fans saw them, not during their inept start). In 2023 they were the definition of middling. The 9-8 Saints actually had a huge point differential advantage over those Rams but missed the playoffs. There are just a lot of people on here who don't want to accept that the Rams DID actually take a multi-season re-set in engineering their team and salary cap turnaround.

Agree.........but I don't think it's him. He's just a posession guy right now, IMO. But as I've said in other threads, this guy was a very successful WR1 running choice routes in an EP type system for years. Like Allen said, he picked up the playbook immediately. Should they decide to lean back into that Dorsey/Daboll stuff down the stretch they now have Cooks, Shakir and Davis who have all been there and done it. Though Gabe wasn't particularly good at it so that will be a concern.

He still might have said no to the Bills. He was a free agent. I find it unlikely because they literally still have all the CB's that they dealt him for peanuts in favor of on the roster.......but they may have offered him a PS spot.

Yeah the narrative that he is an assh0le came from the fact that he got traded a lot. He had a long career as a mid-league level WR1 so I think teams were always just making business decisions about his contract. That's certainly why the Saints traded him the first time. By all accounts he's always been a very professional player and good teammate. I am not sure what impact he will have on the room arriving at the end of the season like this but the Bills have not had someone like him and with his credibility in the WR room since they drafted Coleman. Certainly can't hurt, IMO. Cooper was a great player but not a particularly positive influence.

Succinctly put. Whether you call it football intelligence or instinct.......there are always some players who just can't translate their gifts because of a lack of it. And it's hard for fans to identify. Lil' Dummy McKenzie was a good example. The negative impact he had was significant. CJ Spiller is an all-timer kinda' example of unrealizable talent. Big red flags for "dumb" players always pop up though. For Moore it was as simple as following his brutal career passer rating when targeted and INT numbers. He's literally NEVER been a positive for any offense he'd played in. In an era with less statistical info available you might get a nugget like when Tasker let it slip on air that CJ Spiller wasn't getting more reps late in his rookie year because he still didn't understand the play calls(after playing in a flash card signal system at Clemson). Then the emergence of the all-22 footage where he clearly had no clue where his blocking was going and was just running to daylight. Even then, Sean Payton couldn't see it and thought he'd struck gold in FA. Moore just seems to have the spatial awareness of a pinball compared to an average NFL WR. If the Bills do decide to incorporate more choice routes back into their system that would just further diminish his potential value in their offense.

Blaming Rousseau for the defensive struggles is just such a particularly bad take that it's easy for media to point out.

I got a string of like 5 of the lower bowl seats for $15 when they replaced those like 20 years ago or so. Those seats saw teams win AFCCG at home 3 times. There were just piles and piles of them. But they WERE being sold even then. Hammer had a bunch of them in the junk area behind his garage too.

"Wayyy better than stanazolol and won't show up in a pi$$ test"

In fairness........McDermott's "complementary football" phase won 24 of the next 27 meaningful regular season games. As you said, the problem was assuming that efficiency was sustainable with modest to bad passing game personnel despite seeing it fail with ball-in-hand at the end of the two Brady playoff losses. And a sh!tty offensive performance against Baltimore in a narrow home win. They drew the wrong conclusions. As did most of the fans who have pounded their fist relentlessly about the defense costing the Bills SB trips for years. Both sides of the ball have underperformed their regular season numbers by a exactly a touchdown in the elite 8 level of the playoffs since 2020 yet some fans think the offense has been on point and the defense is down -14 per game. Not the case. When your strength is the #1 difference making player in football......lean into THAT.

The 8 interceptions and the 40 something passer rating when targeted in 2024 basically made him toxic to the rest of the league. I said it when they signed him.........he's just not trustworthy. I'm sure the Bills thought a simple passing system would elevate him and maybe he'd be an asset in scramble drills but they were wrong.

One of those turkey's didn't quite reach temp so it rode home(unbeknownst to me driving) on the top of our Dodge Ram van. It was pretty well suctioned on there after 70 miles.

Thumbs up for enthusiasm. I think he's out of juice to contribute as a deep ball option but as I've said in other threads I think you can plug him in and trust him to run some of the option routes they abandoned when Dorsey was fired. He has spent a lot of time in EP systems.......most of his best years. That addresses this big "mesh" complaint about not having quicker developing options.

I would have been until this season. I think it's reached a point where he has to relinquish control defensively. He is baby sitting Babich. Babich may one day be a great DC but that position is the one that favors the wiser man. Offense can still be about innovation so young minds can still find an advantage.

I can't envision a scenario where McDermott gets fired for this mess that Beane has made. But I do think the big offseason move is likely for proven coordinators to open the new stadium with. It's all a shot in the dark with so many candidates still employed but Mike McDaniel and Jim Schwartz is my very BOLD prediction.

They did well with their picks........but they literally drafted 24 players in 2023 and 2024. Nacua was their fourth 5th round pick in 2023. It's so frustrating during draft season listen to Bills fans yack that nonsense about the Bills not having space for all these picks and how they should trade up because somebody might not make the roster. But they are taking their lead from Beane on it. He is the one leading that charge and he's been getting ball washed on TSW for most of that time. Fans ALWAYS turn on management when it occurs to the fans that they don't share the same opinions as management. Volume is a cheat code. The Rams basically risked being a little too young for a couple years and in the middle of year 3 they had been totally rebuilt from a cap strapped, aging team into a SB contender. Since 2017 when they stopped having 1st round picks they have averaged 9.3 picks per class. They have lost a number of solid players in free agency that are still contributing in the league. Like David Edwards. So what? It shouldn't matter. Not everybody needs to be re-signed.

We knew they had 9 home games. Then, when the schedule actually came out and we saw there was no international "home" game..........I mean, that looked like a best case scenario schedule for a reigning division champ. They've blown it for want of a WR1. And hell, if Kincaid stayed healthy they are probably the 1 seed.

Where I think you are wrong is that the Bills can't afford to have poorly coached games. Most games look poorly coached from both sides because styles make fights and everyone is tryna do the same thing. Houston didn't coach their way to victory. They damn near got beat despite 8 sacks and 3 turnovers. And the Bills needed a Khalil Shakir facemask penalty to finish off that Tampa game that people thought was some kind of offensive "formula". It's not really a coaches league right now. Teams have never been more alike in their approaches offensively and defensively. Most games look like an intrasquad scrimmage compared to even 5 years ago. It's not an interesting look for the league, it's more fun when you have those contrasting styles........but the league has moved the game in this direction and if you are a fan of parity you can't be upset with the results. On the plus side........it's not the NBA. The NBA got homogenized years ago but being able to trade 5 years worth of picks has created a super team in OKC that is toying with the rest of the league and still has half the league's first round picks in the near future. They should probably win the next 3-4 titles.

Yep, Beane got him a 1,000 yard receiver from 4 years ago off waivers in late November.........what's Brady's excuse going to be NOW!

https://www.audacy.com/podcast/take-the-north-a-chicago-bears-podcast-f67e3/episodes/tremaine-edmunds-has-thrived-since-moving-to-outside-linebacker-2fcf9 Who'd have EVER thought that moving Edmunds to OLB would elevate his game?

But Cooper was a player who had just put up a 1200+ yard season full of big plays......including a game in that 2023 season where he put up 265 yards. NOTHING gets DC's fired like getting beaten over the top. And Cooper(4) only ranks behind Calvin Johnson(5) and Lance Alworth(5) in career 200+ yard receiving games. His commitment to the game was always in question everywhere he went but at the same time he was a great deep threat. The people on here who act like he wasn't having a significant impact after his arrival just don't understand the psychology of the game. Injuries diminished his skills and along with few months of less than dynamic tape that changed that perception come playoff time. But for a while his presence elevated the passing game A LOT.

I've just always believed that Cooks was just viewed as a middle of the pack WR1 so teams weren't really inclined to pay him WR1 money for that. There seemed to be a pretty endless supply of playmaking WR's in the draft and defense's really didn't go all-in on capping passing games until after they watched the 13 seconds game in horror realizing that you weren't stopping the likes of Allen/Mahomes without putting a cap on big plays. Cooks production started to dry up after that. 2017 was arguably Brady's second best year in NE statistically. With Cooks there. The Patriots were notorious for not valuing WR talent. Brady's efficiency fell off considerably the next two seasons after the Cooks trade. Perhaps if they had kept Cooks that divorce never happens. By the time Brady left they had a WR room that was about bottom-of-league like Josh has now.

I think you've steered us into the infamous Cam Newton malaphor that describes the Carolina Way that Beane can't seem to outgrow:

No I was just at a loss for words regarding you taking the hot button term "force feed" that was used to defend "everybody eats" and attempting to turn it against "everybody eats". We get it........you were convinced it was sustainable. But force feeding does not describe what's happening. Too few options are open to feed. You don't take 8 sacks because you are force feeding covered receivers. The only element of force feeding going on is when Allen is choosing the more risky options on the occasion when he actually has more than one.......and then when normally ball-safe guys like Cook and Shakir are coughing up the ball trying to do too much. All errors accumulated trying to make up for the fact that "everybody eats" has real limitations in a MATCHUP league like the NFL.