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Stats didn't get Allen an MVP last year. Lamar Jackson's stats dwarfed his. And as a passer this year Allen is around 15th-17th statistically. The rushing TD's are nice but it's a bunch of tush pushes.......no long valiant run like when he closed out KC last year. The home loss to NE and the road loss to an Atlanta team that will finish with a losing record undermine his MVP chances greatly this year. Last year his losses were to 3 division winners on the road. All 3 reached the divisional round. And he beat the NFC #1 seed on the road. This schedule was considerably easier, that 6-2 doesn't feel as impressive because it hasn't been.

Having been fans of a franchise that had 17 years of bad culture we saw a ton of situations unfold like that.

It's not just you but it's just entirely unrealistic. Getting RID of Gabe helped the Bills transition into becoming more efficient and less turnover prone. Because he was a root cause of their problems with his bad play. In his two years as the unquestioned WR2 in Buffalo Allen had an 80 passer rating when targeting Gabe and a ridiculous 12 interceptions. For every big game Gabe catch there was a "wrong way" Gabe moment in a crucial situation where we were left by the Bills to wonder who was wrong about where the route was supposed to go. Having seen the more efficient, MVP level Josh the past two years.........I think we can ascertain the answer was that Gabe sucked. It was more of the same with Jacksonville. Made some catches downfield but was a QB killer in general. Then he busted his knee.

It's the way it always is and has been. The media sizes up teams every week. It's just entertainment so what does it matter? If you let what the Stephen A's say impact how you feel that's your own failing. I know the Bills were not the subject of national discussion for a couple decades but they've been a SB contender for 6 seasons now. You've been around too long to be noticing and lamenting it now.

Toronto is largely full of bandwagon fans of NFL teams. Traditionally Bills fans in Ontario were more from the towns in between. This dude had a good couple days with his Jays and Chiefs.

Anabolic roids are believed to interfere with collagen distribution. Which of course is what tendons are made of. It's the stereotypical thing for a roid user to pop achilles tendons. By the time he gets back on the field, after being subject to more frequent testing for the better part of 18 months, he probably returns a husk of the player we saw the last two weeks. As a Yankee fan we saw it with A-Rod after his last roid bust. The residual gain from juicing can be there for about a year but then it goes fast.

Can't disagree more with your take on DK. They'd have a losing record without him. Rodgers isn't the player he was anymore so DK has had to adapt to playing a shorter game but he's still going to finish around his usual 1,000 and have about 10 TD's. And the dude is built for playoff football. When the flags stop flying and the DB's get extra grabby DK has actually gotten better. Man would he be the ideal X here.

Yeah a 360 pound 1 tech with some pass rush ability would be nice. He doesn't track as a trade candidate as a performing second year player. They have 2 more seasons of control there and he's cheap.

He's a west coast guy. He's going to a place where he is going to a loaded front 7 to play with leads for a DC he's familiar with. He can look at what Josh Sweat gained from having the same situation. He should be thrilled.

Toronto fans might be the most underrated classless group of fans in sport. Here they didn't sell out a game all regular season but they care so much to hang around and boo the trophy presentation. I get it, hockey set the bar for their behavior in other pro sports but it's just weak AF.

I agree with @Special K that the bye week was far more important. The loss to the Falcons may prove to cost the Bills the division and a #1 seed. A terrible loss to a team that was basically trying to give the game away in the second half. Nothing they may have learned that day wouldn't have been obvious with a self-scout during the bye week. They still have plenty of issues to address regarding things they may not be able to execute with the personnel they have in games where the players aren't as excited about the project as they were today.

I am very anti-Blue Jays so was delighted they lost. I grew up going to games at the Ex in the late 70's and those fans were the most obnoxious I've ever encountered. I was the only fan in the stands that leapt to their feet and cheered when Dave Stieb lost his no hitter to Roberto Kelly with two outs in the ninth at Skydome. Their players were classless in victory and I think Yankees and Mariners fans alike would agree. Good team but not likable. WNY is Yankees/Sabres territory not Jays/Make-Believes. The Bills organization wishing the Jays luck against the Yankees after the state coughed up the better part of a billion for the new stadium was absurd. Last I checked, Ontario kicked in nothing. The play there was to be neutral. I apologize if you think I am being insensitive to you as a fellow Bills fan but you introduced it. It was great seeing basically zero Blue Jays gear at the game today.

Yeah you don't want to rotate him in at DE unless you have to...........but remember that Solomon and Jackson are the options if something happens to Bosa or Epenesa. The current issue is on the interior though and he has been a tremendous pass rusher and penetrator the past 2 seasons. A guy like Harrison Phillips could easily be an inactive in a situation where Oliver, Walker, Jones, Sanders and J Phillips are all available. Campbell would probably slot no worse than 3rd in the group of 5. Might be useful in Walker's development as well.

Please let it be Calais Campbell. Checks all the boxes and can play DE as well should Oliver and Sanders somehow make it back in the rotation in a playoff scenario.

Play that game? Read the post I responded to before you presume it was my game. His argument was look at all these second and f*cking 5th round picks Beane has invested at WR.😂 My point is that it costs A LOT of capital to build a good WR room nowadays. I'm right. Teams like the Eagles, Vikings and Bengals literally have 2 first rounders each on the boundary. Those teams don't have a Josh Allen out there for 130 consecutive starts.......but in a Chiefs dominated league they have 3 more SB appearances than the Bills since 2021. Juju is the 4th WR option on the Chiefs. Palmer is the Bills #1 option on the boundary. What are you smoking thinking that's a favorable comparison? I will be the first to say that draft position means nothing once you're in the league.........but the investment point stands........if you aren't taking regular BIG swings at WR you probably aren't going to be good at WR. And over the past decade the teams that make the SB's are usually loaded at WR. It's probably been since Carolina that we've seen a bad WR room reach a SB. And this is a BAD WR room. Do you dispute that?

If you want to have receivers nowadays........you really gotta' invest. It's a premium position. Let's compare your claims that the Bills have invested so much. The Chiefs current WR corps consists of 2 first rounders and 3 second rounders. And I don't think the league views their group as elite. That's the going rate for having a competitive WR corps........and don't forget they had a bust in Skyy Moore in there too and had acquired a first rounder in Hilarius Toney 3 years ago as well. They have thrown a lot of darts at that board. By comparison Beane hasn't done sh!t.

Ice has been back for quite a while. Unless he's since been suspended or banned. I can't recall what his screen name is but the name has Oklahoma in it. I keep forgetting to ask Rich how he got back in.

I personally don't care about that record. I think the run of 7 straight championship game appearances by KC is what is truly impressive. They've earned it. The issue I have with KC is just that McDermott traded Mahomes to them. I recognized the Chiefs as a rival of the Bills at the time. The Bills/Chiefs matchups since Reid had arrived had become key, season altering losses for the Bills significantly dashing the Bills wild card hopes. Talent wise there wasn't much discrepency thru those Marrone/Rex years. But then a new guy(McD) comes in and trying to be clever he hand delivers a franchise QB to his old pal coach who had spent most of the prior 20 years learning every way to lose in the playoffs. Reid was one more Alex Smith playoff exit from "it's time for a change" in KC. McDermott changed all that. Reid really should thank him during his HoF speech.

YOU are missing the point......the extension hasn't even begun yet..........there isn't a "so far" yet to the extension. Were you demanding praise for Beane when he gave Diggs that $96M extension? 😂

Beane extended Cook with a year left on his deal........let's see how the actual extension part works out before we praise the extension. That would be the logical thing to do. Because he also extended Bernard for similar money and there is talk about benching him and the extension hasn't even kicked in yet. Benford got extended and he has fallen off drastically as well. The real story is if you extend a player and he isn't even playing well by the time the extension kicks in. Remember........Beane is the guy who extended Diggs and then traded him before THAT extension kicked in. I think Beane has a world of potential as a GM. He is literally the smartest guy in the room at OBD, IMO. But the best thing you can say about Beane since that strong 2022 draft is that he has kept himself busy. Otherwise there has been more bad than good, unfortunately. He needs to do better.

First of all........define "shambles". This 2025 Bills WR corps was objectively bottom 5 in the NFL before the season and they've even disappointed by that low expectation. It's possible that the only group that's worse are the Jets. If being 31st is "shambles".......then yes, their WR corps is in shambles. It sucks. Olave is currently 26th in ypg........he is certainly a WR1. Shaheed also has an outside shot at finishing top 32. These guys aren't Jefferson and or Chase but even one of them would raise the Bills receiving floor considerably. Shaheed being the more likely to be dealt.......would provide a deep threat component that should complement the short game of Shakir. I would argue that the 2021 Rams already repeated the 2012 Ravens. Those Rams were 8th in offense and 15th in defense. Like the Ravens they were viewed as a disappointment for most of the season......but they scraped out a division title at the end. Then they got hot in the playoffs.......caught the defending champ Bucs and Niners at the right time....escaping the NFC by the skin of their teeth.........and got Cincy in the SB instead of the Chiefs and stole a very closely contested SB win during the middle of the Chiefs dynasty. That Rams team was perceived as having a limited window to win a championship. They swung big adding OBJ and Von Miller in-season and those guys made MASSIVE contributions down the stretch and in the playoffs. OBJ was particularly impactful in that SB. These 2025 Bills are 6th in ppg defense and 7th in ppg offense. I wouldn't say that is elite on either side of the ball. But it is considerably higher than the rankings of those Rams or Ravens........and both higher than the average rank of teams that have won SB's since 2000. Every 5-8 years a team that didn't seem championship worthy manages to steal one. If the Bills don't upgrade this passing game that's probably the kind of odds they have, IMO. The puncher's chance. I think those odds increase if they improve the quality of passing game targets.

I'm not sure that's a proven formula either. It's just happened THAT way a few times in the last 50+ years. The 2012 Ravens were 10th in scoring offense and 12th in scoring defense had like a 150 point point differential deficit to the Patriots.......but they won the AFC and then the SB after going 10-6 in the regular season. I did an average last year of the ranks of SB winners in the past 25 years and it was like 7th offensively and 8th defensively. Non-great teams without any "elite" side of the ball can win SB's.......if circumstances fall in their favor or they just get hot like Flacco did...... too. The Bills have a punchers chance because of Josh, their running game and the potential of their defense to get pressure and create turnovers. So I don't buy the "they can't win" line of thinking.........but I think it's A LOT less likely to happen without improving the quality of their receiving corps. It would be a pretty big outlier because for the last 10 years the teams that win it usually have a second receiving option who ranks in the top 32 in receiving in the league. Basically, doubling down on receiving talent has been paying dividends for a pretty long time now.

The issue with Gabe was that once he got elevated to WR2 in 2022........throwing the ball to him became a net negative for the offense. The passer rating when he was targeted in 2022-2023 was a very poor 80 and passes intended for him accounted for a staggering 12 interceptions. He had the same issues with the Jags last year........he was simply putrid.......off page with his QB, interceptions, drops etc.. He just wasn't a guy you wanted as anything more than a distant WR3 and 4th or 5th overall receiving option behind a TE and pass catching RB. That's BEFORE he hurt his knee. And for the people wondering why Elijah Moore is a journeyman scrub he is sort of the smaller, faster version of Gabe........incredibly, he was the intended target of 8 INT's in 2024 and arguably the worst high use WR in the league. If on the field simultaneously Gabe and Elijah might even run into each other full speed for an all-time NFL highlight.

Who even says the offense has to be effective? That Broncos team that won the SB a decade ago didn't have an effective offense.

So when the Bills lead the NFL in rushing(by a lot) in 2015 and Tyrod averaged 8 yards per attempt........that was actually an "elite" offense too? Attaching an exciting adjective to describe the "offense" doesn't help it complete the passes necessary to succeed when the run game naturally/organically regresses in the second and third rounds of the playoffs. And the formula in the 3rd season of Joe Brady is not appreciably different than the prior two so it's certainly not a "secret".