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Aint all on the QB…. Let’s look at the games: Game 1 Pats: Bills lose by 2 in the last 5 seconds. In essence this game was not lost by the QB but by the 2 gift wrapped fumbles in the red zone that we gave to the Pats…and in a sense the Bills inability to stop Brady in the last drive – something that few do - and as well SJ13 not catching that 3rd down pass Game 2: Bills win over now 12-4 Panthers: QB provides winning drive. Game 3 Bills lose to Jets: Loss can be pointed to QB play – but our D was devastated with injuries and we gave up huge plays to Geno. Game 4 Bills win over Ravens: Solid win –unspectacular QB play – in fact both QB’s were mediocre. Game 5 loss to Browns: EJ was solid and Tuel was not – but the glaring fails in this game were the two long returns on special teams…take those away and a win is probable. Game 6 loss to Bengals: As above – our QB play was more than sufficient to win the game but horrible special teams (and defensive injuries) played the primary role in this loss. Game 7 win at Miami: A win with unspectacular QB play. Game 8 loss to Saints: This was never gonna be a win. Game 9 loss to KC: The two pic/fum 6’s were the difference. One can point to a win with anything other than a 4th string UDFA starting - and the elimination of 14 points of turnovers. Game 10 loss to Pgh: EJ was bad – the whole team was bad – ½ of the loss you can point to QB play. Game 11 win Jets: EJ was very good, Geno was awful. Game 12 loss to ATL: this loss can be pointed directly to the stone cold hands of SJ and SC – not the QB play which was more than enough to win the game. Game 13 – loss to TB: The whole team was feeling the effects of the ATL loss and the end of playoff prospects – while the QB play was bad – the whole team was worse. Game 14 – win – EJ was actually very good – QBR 105 – nothing to complain about. Game 15 – win – TL was very average and Fish were totally outclassed by Buffalo D. Game 16 – Loss to NE – Again – the QB play was not really the issue – it was the horrible ST play as well as Dareus being out for the first half and jumping offsides. So we had 10 losses – I would say only 1 you can point right to QB play.: 2 attributed directly to turnovers deep in our zone or pic 6 (NE week 1, KC). 3 go right to special teams – NE week 17, Browns, Cinci 3 total team collapse – Pitt, TB, NO. 1 goes right to low receiving talent – ATL – and as well SJ13 week one! And you can take 1 – and hang them on QB play – Jets 1. Now if you have a Brady – he can overcome – by himself – poor special teams etc…but if you look at NE – they win most of their games with unspectacular QB play (game 16). They don’t make ST errors; they don’t jump offsides, they catch balls in OT and with the game on the line, and they show up for games. The above also doesn’t account for the injuries on D and the MANY drops from SJ and SC. Point is – the Bills are better off recognizing the primary point of the losses and directing efforts to fix them. I am not saying we are an AFC Championship caliber with EJ - to get there you need another grade up of QB play – but with some simple fixes + solid injury free play – Bills should compete for a playoff spot next year. Oh - and no way we draft a QB next year - if you say this - do a mock draft and tell us who we would draft and how it would be better than EJ.

Heck ....I have been actively watching the Bills since the early seventies....I watch them to have fun..looking for positive things to build on is surely a more rewarding experience than constantly looking for why things won't work. i have built and sold one company and have built another which is taking off....if you don't discard the negatives and build on the positives you won't get anywhere in building anything successful.....yes it might take years....but thats what you do in life right?

Why do you follow this team.....all your posts are a wet blanket...being a fan is supposed to be fun....if you are so down on them why wouldn't you just forget about them and come back when you percieve something positive in them?

Criminy - So much silliness.....If TL were the "starter" and EJ was the back -up underdog the same group that are Thadaholics now would be EJ maniacs - They would point to TL's inaccuracy - they fact he had four years to do something and the rest of the NFL gave up on him....why are we sticking with him, the defense bailed him out yesterday...when we have EJ ready to come in - who has show good things in spite of missing practice most of the season EJ is our future!!!....blah blah blah... The back-up QB always has the benefit of the doubt because its a win-win for them - look reasonable and you are the answer- because you are the back up and you weren't' necessarily expected to do well ....play like a back up and you did because that is what you are. For Cripe sake - if EJ had the same performances TL had against Miami - the same TL supporters would be pointing out in game one the horrible QBR (29) and in the second game the D handed the game to him. On the other hand - EJ has the burden of having to look like a "franchise" QB every time he plays - and every aspect of him is gauged against Wilson, Luck....TL - not so much because we got him for nothing....but TL "shows more emotion....!!!" EJ is exactly (minus the knee) what he was predicted - great potential - gonna take a couple of years. I love all the Alex Smith fans who point to him - he stink stank stunk for 5 years......now he is captain check down (also 2-4 in his last 6 games) but EJ checking down means will never amount to anything..... Bills are NOT going to draft a QB this year - no way - no how - unless EJ has a career ending injury next week.

Jeez I thought Florio took a softball cheap shot at our Bills.....he basically crapped on every team in that write up......Merry Christmas!

Draft position makes no difference and the posts and history show it: - "We shouldn't have drafted Dareus because JJ Watt went later"...you can say this with every pick except the absolute home runs - so it makes no difference where you draft then. - "We needed to lose out more to get a better pick" be be countered with...."we missed out on kapernick and Wilson who were drafted in the third" - We have high picks that were atrocious - Maybin - and later round and UDFA's that are great - Kiko and Robey Just draft well - if we can replicate this years draft 2-3 more times we will be in a solid position (I am thinking EJ pans out)....look at a Polian drafts....there is a reason why he went to the Super Bowl everywhere he went - he could draft well wherever he went and no matter what position he was drafting in.... Also - Manziel.....that dude is not going to last half a season....he ways like 180 pounds, wet, with rocks in his pockets....

Manziel is too small to last - Dont see the others as clearly better than EJ. FWIW EJ was ALWAYS a project - and he is pretty much exactly as ordered. Despite that aspect that your patience is worn out.....aint gonna change the picture. Cant see the Bills using a1-3 rounder on a QB.

They stink.....Bills had 198 yds rushing tho....

And what great experience are you drawing on to form this insight?

Geno Smith was awful today....EJ was not....he was a damn good rookie qb in his seventh game who didnt make any big mistakes, completed 63 percent of his throws and put his team in spot to win with his play not just once but twice with the game on the line. ....soe of your comments are insightful. Others not so much....

Damn. We shoulda got Shanahan.......oh wait....should got Nick Saban he was awesome in Miami.....oh wait......should got Pete Carrol first time around......oh wait .....oh we should have Tomlin.....oh wait he stinks now..... marrone is fine. You start building...

Different sports...same mentality...if the Bills have the mentality that TO is a negative or a road game....whelp there goes your three point home field advantage...if they think its home game and want to go kick arse......take your pick....

Hogwash! Jack Nicklaus said as soon as heard someone complain about the course...he would knew they had no chance to win. Heard the same carp from Sully and Bucky - well Sully - Embrace the damn game and go win it - complain that they are going to hurt and Atlanta has a perfect set up because its a dome and not the Ralph....you are only giving yourself excuses....

Wow...the aspect in this case that gives me pause is she went to the hospital, reported an assault, and had a rape examination done. I would think that this is not pleasent and not something that would be undertaken unless the girl truly felt assaulted.

20 of 28 is 71.4 percent College percentage something like 68 - sorry 67 - percent His receivers must have long arms with sticky hands....

My kids played Little Loop with Kelso's kid - In some games our entire offense consisted of Cody's ability to strip sack people and run the ball back for TD's..... Kiko and Mack......

Sweet baby Jesus you are right - it seems most of the fanbase as well as dope and his lapdog forgot the whole breakdown on EJ when we drafted him "Not the most NFL ready QBin the draft - but has the upside potential - needs further development and could/should become a top tier QB given time". Dope/Lapdog spent a whole show describing on how the Pitt game is the whole final referendumon EJ.....yikes...... Looks to me that EJ is EXACTLY what was expected of him when he was drafted.....not the most polished...needs developmnet...he has shown patches of poise and leadership as well as the skills that top QB's have. He had basically no training camp and very little practice......Brees took 4 years, Rodgers took 3, JK took 4-5, now we are 5 games into a career......

Quite possibly the most genius post ever....is the OP joking? being sarcastic? Or is the OP ACTUALLY positing that #SJ13 goofed up by getting open....by being too good! Having read thru I can't decide!

I dont get the Marrone hate from the OP....I see a TEAM gelling....much like the 87 then 88 teams. i think 86 Bills went 4-12, then the strike season was 87...right? marrone has the team doing alot of good things...hitting on more and more cylinders every week...Marrone DID get Pettine, the O got almost 500 yards with a 4 th string qb! Sheesh.... seriously what other team would be doing well with a rookie UDFA 4 deep at the helm....I am not down at all on these Bills I think next year is going to be ....whelp kinda like the 89 team

The only way the Bills get one of those guys is to draft in the top 10....Jax, Vikes, Cards, Eagles, Texans, Bucs all have NO QB's worthy on their roster....

He can feel all he wants about Mallet - but I would bet he is not Brady 2 - the Pats hit the lottery once....BB is just another coach (as are most coaches - ask Shanny) with an average QB

Tic Toc Tic Toc......as soon as Brady is done I am quite sure Bellicheck will leave too....he is not going to hang around a 6-10 team....The pats have this year....next year is going to be hard for them to cruise through the AFC east...the Bills are going to be more than just the tough out they are this year and Geno - if he is good Geno more than bad Geno could make the Jets tough...AND Brady is another year older..... as long as the Fish stick with Tanny......Tic Toc Tic Toc

Yes, I watched a team missing their top 2 quarterbacks, missing the most electric runner in the league, their #1reciever gimped, their #2 rb gimped, their best cb coming off a hand injury, starting 2-3 rookie recievers, two rookie cb's and a rookie lb, in addition to a two kickers obtained as free agents. They don't have the personnel to play with NO away. Most out of town pundits think Marrone is doing a great job - I think he has his team ready to play and be competitive every week. Put that injury and personnel list into NO and bring them here....

Really?