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I got a solution for ya....ignore the thread either that or the rest of the world could stop talking about him because you are tired of it

Thurm! Thanks for looking that up! I knew we played a weak ass schedule in 2004 but couldn't find a quick link for opponents combined record. Biscuit is full of it on the JP thing. He flamed out in Buffalo but lets at least be accurate about what he had to deal with. I hope the guy finally gets some real coaching and a real chance to see what he can become.

OH....and no way is Disturbed Metal, "NU" or otherwise!!!!

You also forgot to mention Manning threw 28 INTs in his first year and 16 INTS in his second.

Really? I don't recall seeing Losman or Peyton out there on the field going 1 against 11 on offense. OH...that's right....TEAMS win and lose games. Almost forgot there. Also...here are some notes from sportsencyclopedia about the 2004 season where Mularkey supposedly coached so well. "2004: Under new Coach Mike Mularkey the Bills got off to a rough start losing their first four games including a heartbreaking 13-10 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars in Week 1 at Ralph Wilson Stadium. After splitting the next two games the Bills began to focus to the future at 1-5 by starting Running Back Willis McGahee who gave the Bills an infusion of life by rushing for 100 or more yards in six of nine games as the Bills suddenly turned their season around as the Bills won eight of those nine including six in a row to get back in the playoff picture. However, needing just a win at home in the final game against a Pittsburgh Steelers with home field already clinched the Bills were mistake prone with three costly turnovers in a gut wrenching 29-24 loss that left the Bills at 9-7 on the outside looking in when the playoff began." Did you forget how AWESOME coach Mularkey couldn't beat a Steelers team AT HOME in a game that meant absolutely nothing to them and missed the play offs? I'm also trying to find the combined win loss record of our opponents too but haven't so far.

Peyton Manning is a freak and perhaps not a good example but hopefully you are smart enough to get the point. I do like how you listed his TEAMS record in reverse order emphasizing his improvement as opposed to his humble beginning of 3 - 13 in his 1st year. Do you think Losman would have been given the chance to take a team to 3 - 13? NO....he wasn't even allowed to start the full year in 2005 when the team ended up 5 - 11.

There may only be one thread but there are many replies mentioning Whitehurst. I saw his name brought up all the time when I was begging for Jason Campbell or Troy Smith. Just take a look at an QB ranking whether fantasy or other wise. Jason Campbell is rated WAY WAY above any Buffalo QB. In spite of this people still ran him down saying he was no better than what we have AND HE PLAYS ON AN EVEN WORSE TEAM!!!!!! I'm not making guarantees but if people couldn't see that Campbell was potentially a pretty significant upgrade over what we already have they are morons.

Biscuit, for somebody that doesn't hate Losman you sure have a lot of negative stuff to say. Mularkey wasn't a good head coach in my opinion. The thing that is lost in your statement about Mularkey is that he had success with QBs when he was an offensive coordinator. When he wore the hat of head coach he did not fair so well. How did Holcomb look under his tutelage? How did Bledsoe look under his tutelage? Those were veteran QBs. See the theme? Losman "fans" are not naive they/we merely understand the importance of a solid organization, teaching, supporting cast, and COMMITMENT to a QB to make it work. Imagine if Peyton Manning was getting jerked in and out of the starting lineup when he was throwing more interceptions than TD and the Colts were bottom dwellers? Imagine if Peyton Manning had a new offensive coordinator and offense to learn every year? Imagine if Peyton Manning didn't have Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Marshall Faulk, Edgerin James and others around him? I have always wished the guy well even when he was scrambling around like an idiot trying to make something happen. I guess we will eventually find out if JPs problem was nature, nurture or both. Looks like he has made constant small strides since leaving Buffalo. Success in the UFL. Climbing the depth chart in Seattle over a supposedly highly sought after future starter in Whitehurst. By the way this intelligence thing is all bs too. Trent Edwards scored a 34 on the wonderlic and JP scored a 31. The average for QBs is 24. This makes BOTH of them smart.

Poor development and a poor team around them without question impacts a players success in the NFL. That being said the quality of the player as a professional and whatever was god given also factor in. Sometimes no amount of coaching and good environment can over come a lack of professionalism or lack of genetically gifted physical skills. On the flip side some times no amount of professionalism and physical skills can over come bad teaching and a bad environment. Stated another way, this is the old nature vs nurture argument. The intelligent take is that BOTH matter. How well did Peyton Manning fair his first few years under center?

Who cares about Losman, WITH ALL OF THE GREAT POSITIVE THINGS WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT EDWARDS this off season????? Nice to hear someone we drafted is moving up the depth chart. I keep wondering what we would have had if we had a real coaching staff to bring that guy along. He needed Mike Holgrem in a bad way. So far JP has been what Favre would have been without the walrus.

It is amazing to me some of the clowns on this board. We have a stable full of QBs that have proved that can't win a damn thing and there is a guy out there that could bring a sliver of hope to this team and we think we're all set. I'll skip the history lesson again but Troy Smith was the starter in Baltimore before the freak form of tonsillitis and Joe Flacco doing well enough to keep the job. He has skills. Had a better arm than anyone on the roster and he can move! Why would we want to put any more talent on this team to create more competition at a very weak position? *sheesh*

It's a team song clown. LOL. It's not my favorite music. I don't even have a disturbed CD. "My music" probably wouldn't do well for team fight songs. Can you imagine? "Suicide Messiah" by Black Label Society. Actually, maybe this could work! "No More Tears" might be a great fight song for weary Bills fans.

LOL. A kid I am definitely not. We are talking about music that by nature pretty much has to be popular. You can't play "music to stomp babies to" at a professional sporting event.

It was time to get rid of that song 10 years ago. What do you expect from an 80+ year old owner. HE probably thinks that the shout song is a nice new pop little diddy that all the kids, (60 year olds), like. We need something with some balls and energy. How about "The Sickness" by Disturbed? How about "For Whom the Bell Tolls" by Metallica. Something ...come on. I would even go for "Let It Rock" by Kevin Rudolph Featuring Little Wayne. It is no coincidence that our out dated and out of touch owner thinks a remade song from the 50's inspires his current players and fan base.

Uh...let's not forget it scored the Bills TDs !!!!! That is the important part right? Or have some lost site of that while trying to run down Evans and JP?

That because JP had the arm and the balls to throw it to Evans. I always think it is pretty humorous that nobody questioned Lee Evans as a #1 when we had a guy that could get him the ball Some people still go to great lengths to make excuses for Evans.

Defenses always come up to speed faster than the offense. This will be the case with most NFL teams perhaps with the exception of some high powered offenses playing in the same scheme for a while.

Good points. JP was bad in those regards. Some how the guy still put more TDs on the board and at one point in 2006 actually looked like "the guy" against good teams. JP earned the ire of many fans with his bad plays. Conversely I don't think that Edwards has done anything to deserve his support. I really just don't get it with that guy. He has done nothing but suck, has nothing that can't be easily taught yet he represents hope for the future for some. *sheesh*

They were clowns. The guy we should have been after in the off season was Jason Campbell. End of story. The guy was by far the most statistically accomplished QB out there. He was a 3 year+ starter. His numbers improved every year. He was surrounded by a weak cast but still kept quite, was a company man and didn't get into trouble off field. I'm glad to hear that about JP. We dumped him way to early for a ball less supposedly smart chump named Edwards.

Yes that is actually more significant than Edwards 6.7 yds/attempt vs Losmans 6.6 yds/attempt difference which might be called statistically irrelevant which my post was in response to Sorry to speak ill of your son Mr Edwards.

Not that I care about assumed bias but I know you're not trying to build up Edwards. I really don't think there has been too much difference in the offensive lines that JP and Trent played behind. Trent had the benefit of playing behind Peters for 2 pro bowl years in 2007 and 2008. In fact everyone complained about how bad JP's line was and the house was cleaned to bring in better talent because of it. Have we forgotten Duke Preston, Melvin Fowler, Seth McKinney, Mike "Biggest Bust EVER!" Williams?

Where does this intelligence thing come into play? That is a serious question. Do we have wonderlick scores for these guys? Their SAT scores? Their college transcripts with their GPA? Again accuracy when you throw 5 yards and shorter or even behind the line of scrimmage doesn't mean jack to me. Any QB in the league should be able to do that. Instead of comparing yards per attempt, seeing as how Edwards checked down and took the "play not to lose" way out, lets compare yards per COMPLETION!! I am pretty confident we know who will win that one! Both QBs have flaws and warts. One QB has several things that elite QBs share that can't be taught. The other has a good short game that won't win any games for you but also won't lose too many either. I assume you know which ones I am talking about. Imagine if JP Losman had Mike Holgrem for a mentor like Brett Farve. Farve was every bit as erratic and gun slinger as JP.

He did. Again, you can teach a guy to take something off his short throws but you can't teach a guy to have a cannon arm, an accurate, tight spiral deep ball and athleticism.

I think Gailey will be focusing more on packages and exploiting match ups so "ranking" the WR might not really be the way he is looking at it. I think this is pretty easy. Evans #1 Hardy #2 (Hardy kicks inside on 3 WR sets.) Easley #3 (I think he has only been lining up outside. Comes in on 3WR sets, or run blocking formation in 2WR sets **) Parrish #4 (In my opinion still a gadget player who could achieve some success in the slot if Gailey gets creative) Chad Jackson #5 (Has made some catches in preseason and has blazing speed over Johnson) Steve Johnson #6 (Looks like a solid player but I haven't heard any buzz about him this year) ** Easley played in a running offense for most of his college career and should be a polished run blocker.

We don't usually agree but good ideas Promo.