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Joe is a lot of things but a kool aid sipper is not one of them . A Kool aid pisser maybe I hated the call and think it was a terrible decision. I can admit thought that it worked out and I do see his reasoning. I'm glad he had reasoning behind it instead of just "the numbers dictated it" nonsense. Hard to argue the result even if I didn't like the call.

Verizon already has streaming for games. The stream is actually really good with no issues. The biggest issue I have with it is that it is about 30 seconds behind real time but it has a ticker on it that shows the up to date information. That disappears when it is full screen but it's obnoxious to say the least. I routinely watch SNF on there as I have cut the cord but don't have a NBC solution. I can stream it to my roku and have it play on my tv. I am only allowed games that are locally broadcast as another poster stated but this looks like it might be a little different.

A thought occurred to me last night and well as a Lakers fan I love the idea of it. The Celtics are playing great this year and everyone is all over Stevens and Kyrie. All well and good but I see no way LeBron doesn't go ham in the playoffs to single handledly take them out. So this season will likely be all for naught. No way Lebron doesn't hold a grudge and a motivated LeBron is still by far the most dangerous player in the league. Somehow his jumper is better than ever and he is shooting 43% from 3 after being a career 34% shooter. That is going to help him age well but to my original point I don't see how the Celtics can take him and the Cavs out. I'm hoping for Cavs/Celts and Rockets/Warriors Conference finals. Both of those would be must see tv.

I said it in another thread but the idea of family is great and all but seeing the "brothers" response to gronk yesterday wasn't how I would expect my family to react.

What a kitty response. In case the filter gets me I called the response kitten like... Preach family but family reacts differently when one of there own is attacked. He's too talented to be in any real trouble with BB. Sure BB might not be happy especially since he got himself suspended but BB will trot him out there asap and feature him against Pittsburgh.

I don't know that BB was apologizing for the hit. Perhaps he was apologizing for the enforcement where 2 pf against the pats equals 1 pf against the Bills (amendola was the instigator there too). Then the Bills were penalized and had to start 1st and 25. I won't give BB credit for something we aren't even sure he did. The whole situation sickens me. The refs handled it poorly, the Bills responded poorly, and Gronk gave the most half assed apology after attempting to seriously injure someone. I would imagine that situation was exactly the type of thing that is bringing the NFL down.

You mean like Super Bowl 49 where he picked a fight after the game was in hand? If that type of play doesn't warrant a suspension could you let me know what WOULD in your mind? I'm not a jump to suspend guy but that play was egregious and WAY outside of the rules of football. He literally lines himself up to hit a defenseless player in the back of the head!

Yeah I'm in agreement here. The Bills are in a really good spot for trading up with their ammunition. I understand it will be difficult but I think teams would like the idea of 2 2018 1st and a 2019 1st over a 2018, 19, and 20 1st if it does indeed take 3 of them to get it done. I wouldn't be on board with that much though if 2 or 3 qbs are already gone.

We would have lost the SD game anyway?!?!?!?! I am so sick of this ridiculous EXCUSE for Peterman. Let me ask all of the experts that say we would have lost that game anyway. Did you have the Bills beating the Falcons in Atlanta? Did you have the Bills beating the Chiefs in Arrowhead? GTFO with this ridiculousness of we would have lost anyway. There is absolutely no way of knowing that and saying that is just excusing a ridiculous decision by the HC, a ridiculously bad performance by the starting qb, and the gift of 5 turnovers. Since when is a 3-6 team playing a 5-4 team a lock to win?!?!? Please stop the nonsense!!! /rant

uggghhh that ridiculous missed tackle on 3rd and 3. My post was tongue in cheek though. You remind me of a poster that isn't here anymore unfortunately. I miss his posts although I guess I don't have to pay up on our bet about Wentz that I lost horribly.

Thanks I was but I just assumed I made a mistake in my calculations I think you are stuck in comparing careers. Although they are closer than many (including myself) thought this is more about who they are as a qb now. Eli hasn't looked good for the last 2 years. He played great in 2015. Since then not so much.

Perhaps one could almost say Eli pantsed Tyrod?

Dammit Hokie I wanted to post that lol. I pulled the numbers the other day and posted them. They are relevant in this thread as well. Some fun Eli facts: Did you know he has a 110-100 record? Did you know he has 3 years of 20+ ints? Did you know he has never completed more than 63.1% of his passes in a season? and a career 59.8%? Did you know he has only thrown for more than 7 ypa 6 out of 14 years starting? Did you know he has a career qb rating of 83.8 which is the same as Joe Flacco? Did you know he has thrown 222 ints in 210 career starts. More than 1 a game Did you know he has thrown 334 tds in 210 career starts. About 1.5 per game. So the average Eli game is 241.3 yards a game combined, 1.5 tds and 1 ints. For comparison Tyrod goes for 238.3 combined, 1.55 tds and .23 ints a game. Somehow out of these numbers Tyrod is garbage and a backup qb at best and Eli is a HOFer.

Red on red is my favorite uniform. Glad they brought it out this year!

I will forever love Eli for ruining their perfect season. He has just never been an amazing qb. 14 years of starting and numbers almost identical to Tyrod's first couple starting. You can use hypotheticals but they don't really help your argument. If Tyrod is a backup qb at best then how is someone with identical numbers a hofer? He will be and I won't argue it but lets agree that luck had a lot to do with those 2 wins. At his peak Eli was a much better passer that Tyrod. For the majority of his career though he has been Tyrod.

I won't get fully into it because I don't have the time but here is a cursory glance: Of the top 5 passing teams 3 have a winning record Of the top 10 passing teams 7 have a winning record Of the top 16 passing teams (top half of the league) 9 have a winning record So I guess it matters where you draw your demarcation line. Here is a fun discussion point though: Of the top 5 rushing teams 4 have a winning record Of the top 10 rushing teams 7 have a winning record Of the top 16 rushing teams 10 have a winning record It seems to me that a team needs to be productive whether it is rushing or passing. Only the Rams, Saints, and Falcons are top 10 in both. Surprisingly 14 teams average less than 208 yards passing. On the flip side 12 teams average 250+ passing yards and 0 teams average 300 yards passing. New England is the only team that averages over 267 yards passing in a game. i did some looking a year or 2 back and passing was difficult to correlate with winning due to a lot of teams passing in catch up mode or the dreaded garbage time. Rushing teams were much more likely to have winning records partly due to having a lead and running out the clock. I would say pass first teams in the NFL aren't the norm like they once were and the numbers have started to bear that out. Most successful teams have a strong run game with their pass game (Bills have neither right now). Saints - now have a running game and are winning again Falcons - rely on 2 headed monster of Tevin Coleman and Devonta Freeman as much as Matt Ryan Chargers - rely on Melvin Gordon as much as Rivers Rams - as good as Goff has been Gurley has been as well Steelers - Le'veon in addition to AB and Ben At a quick glance I would say Patriots and Packers have offenses built around passing. I wonder why that is...

Thank you for bringing some sanity to this discussion. Eli was never great but got hot at the right times. I feel for him here because he has done so much he doesn't deserve to be yanked but.... He hasn't been good this year or last. 2015 seems to be that last one year that great players have where they flash and then fade. Tyrod has outplayed him and we know how most fans feel about Tyrod. He has been an ironman however its all but over for him imo. He doesn't strike me as someone who would skirt the rules and go the HGH route (coughbradycough) and hang around. Players SHOULD start to fade in their late 30s. Add a bad oline that allows him to get hit often and I'm surprised his starting game streak has reached the number it has. Some fun Eli facts: Did you know he has a 110-100 record? Did you know he has 3 years of 20+ ints? Did you know he has never completed more than 63.1% of his passes in a season? and a career 59.8%? Did you know he has only thrown for more than 7 ypa 6 out of 14 years starting? Did you know he has a career qb rating of 83.8 which is the same as Joe Flacco? Did you know he has thrown 222 ints in 210 career starts. More than 1 a game Did you know he has thrown 334 tds in 210 career starts. About 1.5 per game. So the average Eli game is 241.3 yards a game combined, 1.5 tds and 1 ints. For comparison Tyrod goes for 238.3 combined, 1.55 tds and .23 ints a game. Somehow out of these numbers Tyrod is garbage and a backup qb at best and Eli is a HOFer.

It's incredible how long he has been playing professionally and how young he still is. I went with my wife who is not a blues fan but she bought me the tickets for a birthday present. After the first song she said wow he's really good is he going to do that all night? He then played for 2+ hours just killing the guitar. I had a smile on my face the whole time I couldn't shake. Just fantastic guitar work. Listening to Joe today on YouTube and this came up eventually. Really interesting and easy to get lost in.

I really thought Peterman's performance would humble a few of the so called experts on the board. I always see how the national guys have no idea about the Bills and how wrong they will be. Then they are right. Every preseason it's the same thing. Every media member crushed the Bills for the move to start Peterman and they were right. The issue to me is that most fans ONLY watch the Bills and highlights of other teams. Tyrod is clearly a middle of the road starter. It is inarguable at this point. Yet to some they will trumpet their uninformed opinion and bash others as uninformed. It's interesting if not frustrating.

Agreed. This one decision above all else really soured me on this regime. Usually it's the middle of year 2 before that happens! I am glad to see that he was able to admit the mistake and wasn't stubborn so I guess I'll give him a little credit there.

eh its all in good fun. Peterman regardless of race represented hope. Hope that the drought was over, that the season wasn't over, that he was better than Tyrod, that we FINALLY had our answer at qb. Some people aren't ready to admit how bad he was last week because of how much they wanted this to be true. Seeing that ridiculously bad play doesn't compute yet. They aren't ready to give up the hope that he maybe could be the guy and will excuse the piss poor play to keep the hope alive. I'll take Skelton for Mario level mocking if I'm wrong but Nate Peterman isn't the answer for anyone and will never have a career in the NFL. Rush judgement after 30 minutes of football but that was really really bad football. Maybe my history of being wrong when I am so definitive will actually work out good for the Bills. Please?

The great white hope!

Bad news for McD then because Chip didn't get to stick around and see it through! lol

I don't know that a 7-9 team needed to be gutted though. Improved sure but I don't agree with gutted. I think too that the process got off the rails as they were all about the future with every move they made. The trade for Benjamin doesn't compute though. That sure seemed like a win now move. At the time the Peterman move was also pitched as a win now move. "we are better than 5-4." I don't think tear down and rebuilds need to be done in the NFL anymore. I can't think of the last successful one (not saying there aren't any). What I would have liked to see happen was work with your talent (ie build a scheme to fit them) while bringing in your guys slowly and eventually fully running your scheme.

they made Peterman stay in the "pocket" and be a qb.