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I didn't say they were the same. However at a position that is dependent on so many other factors besides just talent I'm saying there is no guarantee that t.y. Does what he has done with Fitzpatrick, Manuel, Lewis, and tuel throwing him the ball as opposed to Luck, indoors, in that offense. You didn't answer my question though. Either of them. What is the point? More bitching and complaining? Obviously the Bills have had more hits than misses or they wouldn't have missed the playoffs for 14 straight years. T.y. More than likely would have been the better pick but again every team misses in every draft. Especially when deciding between the 12th and 13th player at a position in a draft. Again I will point out in thy same draft the niners blew a first round pick on a guy they have up on before the start of the very next season at t.y. Hilton's position. It happens. Other than Rogers there has been accountability none of the people that made the decision are still here. If Hilliard was the one that made the call on Rogers then maybe there was accountability there too. I have no idea so I won't argue that but there is a new gm, hc, oc, and director of scouting since that selection. They all lost their jobs. That's not accountability?

I was surprised when I got home from the game today to watch Duke lose to notre dame. I agree completely though one of these teams won't go ice cold after jumping on them early. Hopefully one of these games serves as a wake up call but having coached in the past myself teams are who they are and it would surprise me if they changed. I'm just glad they finish strong! He started out aggressive and I thought he was trying to make up for last game and then he just kind of stopped. His drive towards the end when the lane opened up was huge though. Agree about the guards and Cj. This team just needs 2 of the 3 to have a good game in order to stay competitive. Today they didn't get that but still pulled it out. I'm more discouraged then encouraged but hey it's still a w!

Heartbreak for those Eagles fans. I've been sitting on the tunnel at the Ralph when a team kicked a game winner right at me. Sucks te air right out of you. In a playoff game?! Oof. Isn't it a lock that the Saints are the representative for the NFC to follow the trend of the Bills losing to them?

This is where I fall but for a different reason. It is Marshawn all over again. A talented guy that didn't get "it" in Buffalo. Once cut (or traded) it served as a bit of a wake up call. marshawn has admitted as much and I wouldn't be surprised if being cut by the lowly Bills did the same thing for Rogers.

He linked it in this thread!

What is the point? He was the 13th wr off the board. Good for him good for the Colts. Every draft pick is a lottery pick some work out and some don't. Here is a question along the topic... Does every player that succeeds or fails do so on their own or does team, scheme, and surrounding talent also contribute? There is no guarantee that t.y. wouldn't perform at the level of t.j. If he was drafted by the Bills.

Good for them they hit on their picks. They have also missed on many as has every team in every round.

Every year every team misses on draft picks. How many other teams picked a receiver before him? 12!!! Including the niners picking one in the first round that they already have up on. You know the same niners that have played in the NFC championship game 2 years in a row.

21 extra Tds to 1 int is only a little better?

Exactly what I meant. They were also blown out by te rams and cardinals. They are too hard to predict.

The Colts have been very Jekyll and Hyde this year. Never can bet on them. They also benefitted from playing in the worst division in football this year while the Chiefs played in maybe the best (NFC west can also lay claim).

Absolutely pathetic offensive output. Luckily the zone was strong today. A loss is coming bc they just don't show up to play and thus far haven't had to pay for it. Every time they pull one of these games out it just reinforces their own belief. They are going to get smoked one of these games. I will give Rak some credit today he played very well down the stretch after a few bad turnovers early. The zone is absolutely fantastic this year. The rotations are so good and clean there are very few holes in it.

A ton. School records at Alabama: Passing yards career Passing yards season Total offense career Passing Tds career Most wins In the last 2 years he threw 58 Tds to 10 ints. He isn't Greg McElroy. That comparison is an injustice to him and just plain lazy regardless of what he goes on to do in the pros. He was a much better qb than McElroy at Bama.

You said these posts about Byrd for a first are ridiculous. Richardson proves that they aren't that far fetched. Mos observers weren't shocked, they applauded te Colts and thought the Browns were tanking. He plays (as you agree) a much less important and valuable position. He las has had much less success in this league. Obviously teams value qbs more than safeties. I think the disconnect here is between high and low first rounders. Can we get a top 10 pick for Byrd? Highly unlikely. A pick in the 20s though? I wouldn't call that ridiculous by any stretch. Also I am not in the camp of trading him. I want him to be signed and don't mind paying him elite safety money. He is a game changer and the Bills are better with him than without him IMO.

See Trent Richardson. He pretty much debunks your entire premise of only wrs and des. Edit: and he has proven much less in this league at an extremely devalued position than Byrd.

Serious qusetion: Have you watched him throughout his career? He takes care of the football extremely well. He may play on talent stocked teams but he does what he is supposed to do with them - win. Peopl want to drool over Manziel and he is throwing to the top receiver coming out. I won't put their escapability and playmaking ability on the same par but they both shred the vaunted sec defenses. He was the first qb to go over 3000 yards in Bama history. He is not McElroy. I think you are spot on with the effort from Bama last night. That said McCarron was sacked 7 times last night and the fumble was on a blindside hit. Every QB will wilt under that type of pressure. As for improvisational skills nobody is on Manziels level. There was a play on 3rd or 4th down where he was under immediate pressure mad a nce roll out and threw a dart to the receiver straddling the sideline. I tried to find a clip of it but it's not up yet. He is being talked about as a later round flier type pick. I wouldn't mind that landing spot being the Bills. He is a guy who has played repeatedly on the biggest stages and done well. He is also a noted hard worker and good guy. I have nightmares of him going to the pats* sitting and learning behind Brady and taking over to continue their reign of terror. Wow he was throwing some beautiful balls last night. When he released them they looked like rainbows but whenthey landed they would be perfectly placed over the wrs outside shoulder. It will be interesting to watch his progression for sure.

JBoyst I had a similar issue and it was a blessing in disguise. It broke my cycle of checking the game everyday. Once I was able to get back in the drive to check it all the time had completely disappeared. I even tried to do the Halloween event and remembered how much of a bore it was to play this game once my town got to big. My name is section122 and I've been Simpsons Free for 2 months. Best decision ever! (They didn't give me any damn donuts when my issue got fixed )

That was awesome! I love the song and picture Stallone driving around cotemplating Appolo every time I hear it lol. That said the one against the Jets fan had to be my favorite where he talked junk about what was going to happen in the game. Second favorite was over another Jets fan with the Milliner jersey. He was going to be tough for a minute then laughed it off when he realized that probably wasn't a good idea. Very well ade video too, nice!

I don't like Murray at all. Comes up small in every big situation. Boyd and McCarron as I said in the Bortles thread would be a great pick in the 3rd if they are there. I think Boyd will be gone before that though.

31 for anyone that bet against them! This reeks of Utah where they just don't have the motivation.

No idea how Blake bottles gets 9+ pages and McCarron hasn't gotten one. This game is surprisingly a ban burner and mcCarron has thrown 2 picks so far. I'm in the camp of wanting him in the 3rd if he is still available. Love his leadership and think he slides around the pocket well. He also is very accurate with prototype size. I definitely get the knock of being surrounded by incredible talent but he has done exactly what you're supposed to do with it, win. Not sure where Alabamas defense is for this game. Maybe stoops was on to something about the overrated sec defenses.... (I don't actually agree)

Lol should have been thinking. I agree that both of them need some work but that is why I'm advocating spending a third on a qb. It will clearly be a guy with some warts but if Manuel busts next year then the year after there will be a guy with time in the system. Someone who may be able to be successful after having a year to sit and learn. It also would be someone who wouldn't preclude them from picking someone up in the first round the year after. Just a nice insurance plan IMO.

Op this is a great post and very in line with how I feel. If the Bills make him the highest paid safety in the game he will be so for a year or two tops. There are also several ways to make him the highest paid; most total money, most guaranteed money, or highest yearly salary. I personally think most total and guaranteed money would be an offer that Byrd would be crazy to turn down. 6 years 50 million with 30 million guaranteed would accomplish all 3 objectives. It would be half of Mario Williams money and send a nice message to players in and out of the locker room that the Bills will pay their elite talent. It would also lock Byrd up through his prime as well as appease fans. It is a win everywhere and in 2 years some other safety will sign for more money making this look like a good deal for a top 5 safety.

I think all of first round qb talk is crazy. I'm thinking that this will be very similar to the year ponder and locker went in the top of round 1. Some reaches and a lot of surprises. Outside of the top tier of guys I like tajh Boyd and mccarron. McCarron plays great against top competition. Boyd's physical tools intrigue me. I would be very happy to add either of them outside of the top pick. I think of either of them are sitting there in the top of the 3rd pulling the trigger would be a sound move. If the Bills went to camp with Manuel, Lewis, and one of these guys I would feel very confident about the qb situation. It would also allow the top 2 picks to be used to strengthen the team.

Between the ducking and the clear fixing of matches nobody cares about boxing anymore. Even if pacquio was to fight mayweather the draw wouldn't be near what it could have been a few years ago. Mayweather has ducked him for too long and now pacquio is a shell of himself. The fight fixing is the main culprit of why people don't care as well as no Heavyweight class. Nobody cares about the Klitchko's (sp?) - although the fight he won throwing only lefts was impressive. I don't think this is the case at all. I go to Wild Wings for the fights every time they are on and the place is packed. In a town of 25k there are 2 places that are packed for any of these fights. I am outside of your 22-29 range as well. This will never be a huge mainstream sport but it does well and has cornered the fighting sports market. As you pointed out Lesnar was a bit of a circus but true mma fans didn't really respect him (his after fight comments at UFC 100 were legendary though). He brought some fans from the WWE as well. I don't know how you can knock Cain though. He is an absolute stud. He has handled Dos Santos twice in a row seemingly with ease. His dominance in this division is quite impressive. As for bad boys, Chael is over the hill but the Diaz brothers are still loathed by many. Add in Rousey (who is awesome btw) and there are some "bad guys." You are spot on though with the marketing new talent issues. There are too many seasons of TUF to keep up with. Silva and GSP retiring is going to be a big blow to the sport. Bones and Velasquez are certifiable stars but don't have the longevity that the other 2 have. The UFC on Fox are hardly marketed and rarely include fights with big enough names to be a draw. Add in the every 3 week ppv and following UFC becomes not only difficult (too many weight classes) but expensive as well. Ronda Rousey is awesome. She is a force right now and put a beating on Meisha Tate who to me is everything that is wrong with women fighters. She can't cry about a lack of respect in the fighting world and simultaneously have the nickname cupcake, come out in a cupcake robe, and to Katy Perry. She also looked like she was there for the money while Rousey looked like she was there to hurt someone! This sport will never (imo) cross into entirely mainstream. It will never be as popular as basketball, baseball, or football. That said it is the strongest and most popular fighting sport out there and there really isn't a close second.