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I mentioned Favre and Rodgers as higher than him in the original. Matt Ryan and Mcnabb are multiple tiers below him. I don't think it is even a discussion. Warner was good but did not have close to production or longevity of Brees. McNair again didn't have longevity or production and also didn't have the success of Brees. Eli is definitely not close to Brees for me either. He had 2 great playoff runs but if his last name isn't Manning his reputation isn't nearly as good. Roethlisberger is admittedly a tougher case and imo the best on your list that I hadn't already included. I still think Brees was slightly ahead of him like Rodgers is slightly ahead of Brees. Some of Brees' stats are dumb. He is the only qb with multiple 5k seasons and he has 5! Of them. 12 straight 4k seasons. 123 300 yard passing games which is 47 more than the next closest guy on your list above. 2 most tds of anyone in history at least 150 more than anyone not named Favre or Rodgers (who we both mentioned). Just video game numbers. Fair enough. I went back 37 years (as long as ive watched) and I have him at 7th. Although Young is a guy I had forgotten about. Not sure where I have him.

I dont think it matters if he could survive 30 years ago. I think about how good he was against his peers. He was right behind manning and brady and those guys 2 of the best I have ever seen. I wont go pre 87 and I was too young but ive got Brady Montana Manning Favre Marino and Mahomes as better than Brees. I have him and Rodgers about the same probably give the edge to Rodgers. I cant imagine there are 4 other guys let alone 14 from the older eras (before passing was such a big part of the game) I would take over Brees. Im interested to hear your list though as I might have forgotten a few guys. I might personally overrate him but he was just so amazingly accurate and productive for such a long time. Some of his deep balls were like handoffs. He definitely benefited from the dome and the rule changes I will certainly give you that but I still have him in my top 10.

I don't think it's crazy at all Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in FOREVER. Including some years with big ben. Harbaugh has had the 1 seed twice and made the championship game once. He has a bad playoff record with a 2 time league mvp. Payton has 3 straight 7-9 seasons with a top 10 all time qb and won exactly 1 sb with that guy. Love Josh Allen but he hasn't accomplished what Brees did. Yet.

No hes an offensive genius who's team scored leaa against kc than buffalo did....

Arizona is taking marvin harrison jr at 4 barring something crazy. Depending on what happens with higgins i can see 18 being the last wr taken before the Bills pick. It's going to be an interesting game of chicken between buffalo and kc as I think they will both be targeting a wr.

A couple of things.... The Bills in the grouping you gave don't really have a sam lb in that alignment. Taron is so critical bc he isn't your typical slot cb. He is a hitter and operates as an lb sometimes and covers tes. He allows a certain amount of flexibility that many players dont.

Did they say why for any of these guys?

My theory on why people get so upset: They only really show her when kelce and ergo the chiefs have something good happen. Which means in turn, the team they are rooting for had something bad happen. It's a negative association for people when she pops on the screen.

The Bills lost to the chiefs who lost to the bengals who lost to the rams. It's so silly that people think the Bills were guaranteed the super bowl there. Thank you! Reid is one of the greatest coaches of all time and mahomes is one of the greatest qbs of all time but only when other teams lose to them. Quite the opposite. I actually don't think Harbaugh should be fired. I also don't think McD should be fired. The entire point of this post is the double standard the fire mcd crowd have for other coaches. People want to pretend winning 1 sb no matter how long ago would be okay but I don't think that's true. Harbaugh has a long streak of not being nearly as succesful as McD.

Its inarguable that the Bills have had better results and gone further than the Ravens. Lamar Jackson has won 2 mvps to joshs none. Do we really think lamar just forgets how to play football in the playoffs? Is the coach not responsible for setting him up to be succesful? You are so focused on the qb you arent looking at the rest of the team. The Ravens had 3 first team all pros this year the Bills had none. The Ravens had a better team than the Bills this year and they lost to the chiefs just the same. The last time the Ravens had a better team than the Bills they lost their first playoff game 28-12 as the one seed to ryan tannehill! The Ravens had the most rushing yards in the league and 3rd most by ypc. Then they ran the ball 6 times with their rb! Isnt that on coaching?

Jackson is gonna take a ton of heat for this one. Deservedly so. However the strength of the ravens is running and the weakness of the chiefs is run defense. The gameplan did not help lamar at all today.

There were so many times today he should have run and decided to throw a short pass when running was the right call imo. It's like he completely forgets what worked for him in the regular season.

I had to circle back to this. It was first and five bc there were 12 men on the field! Lets add in zay flowers and kyle vannoys terrible personal foul penalties.... I can only imagine the response on the board about how mcd doesnt teach discipline or accountability....

To your 2nd paragraph the ravens had an amazing defense all year long, not the patchwork mash unit that McD trotted out against the Chiefs. It not fair to give one team roquan smith and patrick queen and the other tyrel dodson and aj klein and expect the same results. To your last paragraph, the Bills keep losing to the chiefs. They arent losing to the ryan tannehil led titans or philip rivers on his last legs. In fact people give mcd ***** for barely beating rivers and he won! At the end of the day the #1 seed lost at home by 10 with their full team. The bills lost by 3 after a missed fg with an incredibly banged up team. To my original point it is clear mcd and the bills have far outperformed harbaugh and the ravens. Why doesn't he need to go too?

Better than Reid? Are you serious? Reid took the Eagles to 5 straight championship games and the chiefs to 6 straight. Harbaugh has been to 2 total in 12 years.

He had a first team all pro safety and lb playing today. The Bills had backup lbs and cbs playing. In fact the Ravens were the #1 scoring defense this year and not missing both lbs.

I absolutely agree... How about the rest of the roster though? Does Harbaugh bear no blame for repeated failures in the playoffs? They ran the ball 6 times with rbs today!

How long of a leash? Its been 11 years.... Since that 2012 season they have won 3 division titles, they missed the playoffs 4 of 5 seasons after winning that sb, and they have only made the division round 4 times with 1 afc championship game. McD has outperformed or tied all of that in the last 4 years

If you want McD gone you have to think that Harbaugh needs to go too right? After all no hc qb combo has won a sb after 5 years together. After all he is 1-2 as the 1 seed since 2019. After all he is 2-4 in the postseason since 2018. After all he has only made it to 1 afc championship with one of the most electric qbs in the game. After all he has a 2 time mvp qb and has only won 1 division title in the last 4 years. After all he has lost to a washed up philip rivers and ryan tannehil in the playoffs! After all he has a 1-3 playoff record at home since 2018. So if you wamt McD gone for underperforming and losing to the chiefs 3 of 4 years certainly you think Harbaugh is trash and needs to go to right? The Bills and McD have outperformed them over the last 6 years and the Ravens have the benefit of the mvp and 3 first team all pros this year vs the Bills single 2nd team all pro yet still lost to the same team at home as the Bills did. Or does a super bowl 11 years ago followed by a single afc title game appearance this year carry that much water? Recent history and performance clearly favors McD so I am very interested to hear opinions of Harbaugh and whether he should keep his job or be fired.

And after they fired dorsey the bills did it 7 of 9 games including playoffs and their lowest output was 20 against that very strong kc defense on the road.

Becauase kc has one of the best defenses in the league! Ive posted this elsewhere but you are flat wrong about how easy other teams move the ball. They also have down games and tough stretches. You just aren't emotionally invested in them so it doesnt matter as much and you aren't as critical. Here are the top 5 offenses by ppg (buffalo finished 6th): Dallas - scored 16 against a bad cards team before kyler came back, and 10 each against sf and buffalo. Miami- 17 against philly, 14 against kc (7 in the rematch), 19 against balt, and 14 against buffalo with the division on the line. San fran - 17 3 weeks in a row against cle, minn, and cin (2 of those 3 didnt make the playoffs). 19 against the ravens. Balt - 19 against indy and 10 against pitt ( with lamar). Det - 6 against baltimore, 13 vs chicago, and 19 against dallas. Buffalo also finished 4th in ypg. The issue is the team in their way had the 2nd best ypg and ppg against (both better than buffalo) while Buffalo brought an incredibly banged up defense.

I too am not as upset as I would expect. Is aj klein and a banged up tyrel dodson a super bowl winning lb group? That's an easy answer. If the bills had milano and bernard and the game ended the same way I would probably be more upset. The Chiefs were healthy, and exploited a clear weakness. Even with that the Bills played their hearts out and almost came away with it. Wide right is just some cosmic salt on the wound. I have fully accepted that it takes a ton of skill AND luck to win the super bowl and luck isn't really the Bills strength lol.

Both cameron wolfe and tracey wolfson reported it.

You dont want to win the super bowl? Lol

More the merrier! As long as you don't distract the server when i need another round! Lol