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Lets see... Murder, murder for hire, rape, killing someone while driving drunk, beating children, knocking spouses out, gun charges, throwing a party inviting women only. All of these things have been done by NFL players while active in the league. One of these things is not like the other. I just don't get it anymore. How can people seriously care about this? How can people get up in arms about this? Message boards are sometimes fantastic but man this year something has broken in me. I am in awe that something like this actually upsets people.

If you haven't already, do yourself a favor and check out real husband's of Hollywood. It is a fake reality show and hilarious. Also how is he full of himself? A lot of his comedy and almost that entire show makes fun of him.

why do you care so much? Why are you arguing semantics so much? Why does dropping the hammer mean he wanted him to go to jail?

Yeah I enjoy Cowherd myself. He is nowhere near as bad as Rome, Skip Bayless, or Screamin A Smith. I enjoy his take on things and don't get the feeling that he says controversial things just to say them like I do with the others.

I don't care about "stealing" or whatever you want to call it. I was simply making an observation. That said for other topics there are people that post info just as quick as yolo and 26cbblitz do here for Bills info. Most of my nba news comes from there as they are quick with the info. Also the community is much much larger. Therefore the conversation isn't the same 5-6 posters going back and forth that you see here for some topics. For Bills news/discussion this site is the best I've come across by far. For time wasting and the rest of my Internet fix Reddit is fantastic.

There are a few of us. You will catch a lot of topics posted to off the wall that you saw on reddit first. As for the bills discussion. It is much more active here. There are a couple of posters who get tweets up pretty immediately as I'm sure you've seen. I contribute somewhat over there but as you can see I'm much more of a lurker myself on both boards. Welcome though!

I'd also be concerned about how many guys with issues were on the team. Incognito has had his battle with substances as has Seantrel. Adding another to the mix would at least be concerning to me.

I think what got missed in the hubub (myself included) is that Hogan may turn out to be a decent player. The debate got turned sideways and became about the 2 players instead of the types of players (which I believe was both of your arguments). I don't have huge expectations for Hogan but love seeing "effort" guys making it. When I coached I loved having a "try hard" player, even if they weren't the best, as it seemed to get the other players that may have been more skilled to work harder.

The worst outcome of this battle for me is that Cassel wins it. Cassel to me is Orton. We know what he is which is mediocre. Tyrod or EJ could be something special. They could not be. If one of them can come out and take the job it would give hope for the future that the qb issue is solved. If Cassel wins it he is a placeholder for at best a couple of years and our search for a "franchise qb" continues.

With interest can they become loco tacos?

I don't care much for the argument myself because the sport is so different based on the position you play. Era's are so different as well it really makes is impossible to compare players. Bill Russell dominate his era playing center and is thought of as the consummate winner and one of the greatest defenders of all time. He was on a team that was absolutely loaded and before free agency. John Havliceck, Bob Cousy, and 4 other Hall of Famers. He also was 6'9" and 220 and dominated the paint. LeBron is bigger than that and plays SF. Jordan is thought of as the reason the Bulls won 6 championships. They won 57 games the year before his hiatus. They won 55 without him and, if not for a poor ref call, could have made it back to the NBA Championship. I don't know why they have to be stacked in any particular order. What I do now is I just saw a player strap a team on his back like I never had before. That said even the best player on the planet (he is) can't do it alone. This is where LeBron has gotten screwed. Playing in the unbelievably bad East every year helps him have an easier path to the Finals. Once he gets there though he has to play a team that has battled through the Western Conference and is already battle tested. Looking at his 2 Finals with the Cavs nobody was picking them to win. Especially this year after Kyrie went down. His first year with the Heat he learned a ton and was a different player the next 2 Finals. It isn't surprising that they won. His last year with the Heat DWade was a shell of himself and I still can't believe the shooting exhibition the Spurs put on. He makes the Finals with sub-par teams sometimes and unfortunately it seems to be tinting some people's perception of his legacy. The East is so bad...

NoSaint I give you credit for showing up and taking your lumps (kinda) here. Kirby has been conspicuously absent The Da'Rick threads were legendary and any new members should look them up. How many tacos have been paid out? That said (and I will preface with the statement that I was in agreement with letting him go) Da'Rick is just an example of the philosophy they were arguing about taking a chance on the physical specimen with production at a high level college conference. It doesn't make their philosophy wrong that Da'Rick didn't work out. It can work and the Bills are certainly trying it now (Da'Rick, then Henderson, even lump Incognito in there this year) but there error was discounting the high motor, gym rat, lunch pail (am I missing any white guy euphemisms?) STUD that is Chris Hogan! Seriously though if Hogan and Da'Rick didn't come in the same year I don't think Hogan would get half the hate he does. That catch against Minn alone would have gotten him tons of support from the board. He's just a guy who routinely outworks and out hustles people on the practice field and in the weight room. This is the second coaching staff to rave about him. Maybe it is time to cut him a little slack?

No I just broke my own rule of not posting while drinking lol

Oops been drinking lol. Knew he said a og here.

Rd 3 pick sds... Holy cow leroi did it again! Who is their next pick so I don't have to watch tomorrow lol

I had the same immediate thought as NoSaint when I saw the pick. We can all agree that safety is a need right? We can all agree that aging corners of do well moving to safety right? This gives flexibility to move graham to safety if duke struggles. So it gives us safety depth which everyone thought was a need while also giving us a young cb which is always a need for every team.

It blows my mind how little this is discussed. The vitriol towards say a Mike Vick is way worse than it is towards Mayweather. It isn't just one woman either it is multiple even ending in a jail sentence in one instance. Yet somehow people just don't seem to care.

Titans love mettenberger. The titans make this trade 10 times out of 10. They get 2 first round picks as well as a proven lb and de. That's 2 sure things and 2 more cracks at a difference maker. Bad trade for the Browns (Bradford has already said he won't sign anywhere before playing out this year) Bad trade for the Eagles (2 huge pieces of their defense.) Amazing trade for the Titans unless Mariotta ends up being a franchise qb (I don't think he will be)

My only complaint with the schedule is opening with the colts for purely selfish reasons. The only reason I don't like it is I wanted to go to go to that game! Season opener is usually a tough one to get tickets to without paying an arm and a leg.

you must not have visited the hurley thread in otw lol.

Not a chance Biscuit. He will still be a very high (unintentional I swear) first round pick. He will still likely go top 5. All that needs to be done is grabbing DeAngelo WIlliams late to handcuff him. He is too god while available not to go that early. That said you heard it here first. Steeler's Pats game will be while he is serving his suspension. Not a question in my mind.

Glad to see you are still going strong! My mother is at 33 years with MS. She is still rocking and rolling (mostly rolling now). It is one of the rare times that her supreme 100% Italian stubborness has served her well. I will be doing the walk again in Syracuse this year. For the first time my mother will be joining us in her scooter. Also joining us will be my daughter (stroller for the 5 month old), my grandmother, and my wife all for the first time. 4 generations of our family will be supporting this cause. This is a great charity as well. For those of you unsure about donating to rockpile here is the rating of the agency. 80% of donations make it to services that they provide.

I was young for the losses about 9 when the first one happened. Then with these last 15 years... Here is an example of my sports fandom: Game 7 Lakers - Celtics. I'm a big Lakers fan (Magic Johnson was my childhood hero). Friends were getting together and invited me over. I couldn't do it. I watched the game in isolation by myself. When they won I joined my friends. If they had lost? I would have shut the tv off and stayed home alone lol. That is with a team I have rooted for just as long, watched win multiple championships, and in the grand scheme of fandom care less about that the Bills. I will be an absolute wreck the entire time leading up to the game, during the game, and after the game. The only thing that will change win or lose is euphoria or crushing depression lol. Either way I will not be at work the Monday following. If they win like I said I will be at that parade!

I have thought many times about this. I told my friends for years that I would be there no matter what but I have softened on that. If the Bills win I will be crying like a baby no doubt about it. I don't know if I want that to happen in public lol. I will likely throw a big party locally. I will be at the parade no matter what if they win. The heartbreak if they lose though....

When he was younger he was electric to watch. I remember seeing him on the under card and he fought just like a fight in the movies. He just threw punch after punch after punch. In a 2010 fight he threw 1231 punches! That his what originally endeared me to him. He didn't wait for the fight to come to him he took the fight to people. Unfortunately in this fight that will play right into Mayweather's style. I honestly see no way that he wins this fight which has also removed a ton of excitement for me.