chris heff

I read somewhere(can't remember where) that if there is a QB you want and your going to take him early the best place to take him is mid first. You won't over pay and you get fifth year option.

So no one is paying attention to K-9 because he disagrees with you? Heisman Trophy winning QB equals success, got it.

Steve Young was considered a bust in Tampa.

I don't understand why people think it is easier to find an elite QB, who can carry a team, than building a great team around a good QB? This is not about Manuel, just in general. How many QBs playing now are elite, four maybe five? The oldest being Payton Manning, drafted in 1998, so the last 15 years has produced a hand full of elite QBs.. It is the same for every era.

Next two paragraphs. "Simms' next four years were marred by injuries and inconsistent play. He finished the 1980 season with 15 touchdowns and 19 interceptions, while completing a subpar 48.0% of his passes for 2,321 yards.[12] In 1981, Simms threw for 2,031 yards, 11 touchdowns, and 9 interceptions on 54.4% completion percentage[12] before suffering a separated shoulder in a November 15 loss to the Washington Redskins.[13] With Simms out, the Giants went on a run led by Scott Brunner and advanced to the second round of the playoffs. Simms suffered a torn knee ligament in a preseason game against the New York Jets, preventing him from playing the entire 1982 season.[14] Following the season, Ray Perkins resigned as head coach to take over the same position at the University of Alabama, and was replaced by the team's defensive coordinator Bill Parcells. In the coming years this change would prove crucial to the Giants and Simms. One of Parcells first decisions as coach was to replace Simms as the starting quarterback with Brunner.[15] Simms asked to be traded after the benching, but his request was ignored.[16] During the sixth game of the Giants' 1983 Season, Simms came in to replace the struggling Brunner against the Philadelphia Eagles. On his second drive, Simms suffered a season-ending injury when the thumb on his throwing hand hit a player's helmet on his follow-through. The injury was reported as a dislocation, but according to the book, Simms to McConkey, written by Phil McConkey, Simms, and Dick Schaap, the injury was much more severe, with the thumb literally hanging off after impact, and the bone sticking out through the skin.[17]"

So far it's turned out great for them.

EJ was at his best when he was just playing and not thinking. His best drives were two minute drills. He stopped aiming the ball and just threw it. This tendency started in the first preseason game. It seemed to me that he had been coached to protect the ball so much that it made him tentative. The offense was also painfully predictable.

I've heard exactly the same thing from other FSU alumni and have posted it. I noticed you qualified "much better QB". Charlie Ward was a great college QB. Had a good career in the NBA. People also are under the impression that the FSU offense is simple. I believe that they run a relatively small number of plays out of multiple formations. Makes it difficult for QB if everyone isn't on the same page. Ramius I would like your opinion, thanks.

You know that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying part of one season is not enough time. There is a history in the NFL of teams giving up on guys. As I was writting "Unitas" I was wondering who Pittsburg's QB was, Marchibroda, good one.

And that guy was traded away by Atlanta, how'd that work out for Atlanta? Drew Brees was let walk. Alex Smith, bust? I could go back to Pittsburg releasing Unitas. Someone, not just a fan decided that those guys weren't going to make it. Unitas, maybe the best ever in the HOF, Brees and Favre both go in HOF. As for Smith would you take him?

Clemson, NC State, Boston College, Miami, VA Tech, Maryland, Florida, GA Tech and maybe Duke. All of these are big time programs. All college teams play some door mats. Go look at who Central Florida played last year or Louisville and you'll see the same thing. What's your point?

That's ok Coach, I've been disappointed before. I don't know anything about the Philly Graham but I'd trade take that trade. I just don't think Philly would.

Me too, I'm disappointed.

Manuel was in a program that was in rebuilding mode. OL, RB and receivers not as good.

"Manuel led the Seminoles to a 12-win season for just the third time in program history,and the first time since their dominant stretch in the 1990s. During his senior season, he threw for the second most yards in team history with 3,392, trailing only Chris Weinke's Heisman Trophy winning season, in which Weinke threw for 4,167 yards. Manuel went 25-6 as a starter, won the first BCS bowl for Florida State since 2000, won five out of six games against intrastate rivals Miami and Florida, and he also led the offense to its most prolific season in team history, cleanly surpassing the 1999 National Championship squad with 6,591 yards." As I've said before I live in Florida and have friends that are FSU alumni and football fans. The most astute of these made the observation that Manuel played for a team in transition from Bowden to Fisher. Had less talent around him than Winston, particularly the OL. I don't know if EJ will be good in the NFL or not and neither does anyone else, but I don't know how anyone can state that he had a bad college career.

I'd love Jordan Mathews in the second. I think he could be the best receiver in the draft. All time SEC receiver playing at Vanderbilt with no one throwing the ball.

I live in Florida, I know a lot of FSU fans, my nephew is a student at FSU and I can state with all certainty that you are wrong. I had a conversation with a FSU alumnus and avid FSU fan who told me he had become a Bills fan because of EJ. Your statement is a generalization. Please Google Phil Simms.

Both Ryan and Philbin are working for GMs that did not hire them. Jets bring in Vick, not exactly a ringing endorsement of Smith and Tannehill was drafted because he was so highly touted by Mike Sherman who is gone.

When I read the title of this thread my first thought was that the AFC is the second best conference in the NFL.

I said the same thing.

Maybe I should come too, last Monday Night game I attended at The Ralph was September 1974, I think it was the home openner. Beat the Raiders 21-20, exciting game. Blanda missed a FG to end it. Legend had it that Blanda missed a 47 yarder with 47 seconds, on his 47th birthday

Kind of ironic that people would bring up SJ's maturity and think tha Mike Williams is his replacement. After reading Williams press conference transcript, I'll be surprised if he makes it through the season. Took no responsibility for his problems at Syracuse, doing the same thing now. Somebody made up stories about him, somebody else did it, he was taken advantage of, blah blah blah.

Remember the halfback pass Henry threw for a pick six in Miami. I ran into Ralph Wilson right after that play, he was so mad his face was bright red.

That's the Wood I'm talking about. Flea flicker center eligable. Must not have been that funny since I had to explain it.

Let me draw it up for you, EJ hands off to Fred, Woods fakes missing a block goes to back of the end zone,. Fred pitches ball back to EJ. Fred picks up missed block. EJ throws to Woods, touchdown.