Mr. WEO

His arm strength is on par with JA. Go back and watch Vick with the flick of his wrist throw 50 yards. None of the rigorously practiced and Jordan Palmer-crafted windup----just a tiny movement of his hand. recency bias...

JA isn't an order of magnitude bigger than either Mahomes or Rodgers. He's actually leaner (lower BMI) than Mahomes. And Palmer didn't say exclusively physically talented. Rodgers's game doesn't lack anything that 2-3 more inches of height would bring. Height isn't a talent anyway. I don't see a huge gap between Josh and Mahomes at the position so far. JA has carried the ball over 200 more times than Mahomes. If Reid ran Mahomes like that they would have similar rushing numbers at 5.0 vs 5.5 per carry.

He's riding the bigger hype wave with Josh right now. It was just over a year ago he was saying Darnold "is going to be so good in this league".. Because he's the QB...

lol--if Burrow goes to the SB again and the Bills don't, look for Palmer to be shooting youtubes declaring Burrow as "the best I've ever seen!!!" he is extremely elusive. i've not seen anyone claim otherwise--until you did. But no, The Chiefs had RBs on their roster, so he wasn't asked to run the ball like JA had to. Doesn't mean he would not have been as successful.

are you serious?

Vick didn't have that arm strength?? lol stop.

This gets rehashed a lot. BB took a 3 win team to 6, 7, and 11 wins and a playoff appearance. At some point, Vinny Testaverde as your top QB runs out of steam... In 2 of Frazier's 3 full seasons in Minny, his teams had the worst D in the league re; giving up points.

Vick was a supreme athlete. His speed was uncommon and he had maybe the biggest arm I have ever seen. Rodgers has a big arm, very quick on his feet. Very smart. Makes any throw. 6'2" 225. That's big enough. Not every OC feels his QB should be the #2 rusher on the team you know (RIP Daboll). Also, as other have pointed out, Mahomes has the big arm, makes all the throws and has serious speed. 6'3" 227 (10 lb lighter than JA). In 4 years as a starter, he has a lot more passing yards, 50% more TDs and fewer INTs. It has taken a trainer touting (yet again) his most (only?) successful client as "the most talented ever" for many here to suddenly agree with this idea.

Vick for 1. Elway

why don't you just answer my question? I've asked it twice.

Frazier has some delusions and self-assessment deficits....

"seriously"...?

Palmer handing out his business card again... By "most ever", Palmer must mean "that I have personally trained".

doesn't matter. it's either "he's sucks" or "not worth the money". these threads appear every off-season, as you well know.

He had quality starts on another team to which he was traded 2 years into his rookie contract....Am I doing this right? link? Yeah, it's me who every seasons starts multiple threads about "is Edmunds worth keeping". nice try!

So what? Read the allegation I quoted. It didn't require force or coercion. Would you let him do that to your hard working mom? Or would you tell her to STFU and take the guys money for the session?

Nick is certainly touting Poyer a lot. Go figure.... He seems to want to inform a certain somebody/somebodies that Poyer is the best, yet not fully appreciated by......that/those somebody/somebodies. hmmm

He made unwanted contact with these women and his genitalia. And then this happened: "Watson then stood up and continued ***** more aggressively,” the suit alleges. “As he did so, Watson asked the Plaintiff, ‘Where do you want me to put it?’ Plaintiff by this point was in complete shock and could not speak. She froze. Watson quickly *****; some of his ***** got on Plaintiff’s chest and face.” Is that what you would call just "incidental contact"? If that was your daughter or your mom, would you say "what's the big deal? he didn't force anything?"

You forgot Zay Jones.

My thinking is that if the FO is tossing away it's draft picks before their rookie contract is up, they didn't feel they were picks good enough to keep. Articles quoting GMs seem to have a consensus that getting 3 starters out of the 7 allotted picks (before trades) is a "good draft". 2018 is a "good draft". Drafting other teams' starters to me doesn't make one a greater draft. If you have no use on the roster for rookie contract picks, then for your team, they were misses. Unless you trade them for a better player, that weren't of significant or lasting value. Taken to its extreme, if 6 of a teams picks end up starters on other teams before signing a second contract with the Bills is that a "great draft? What if they are all All Pros? If the 7th pick is Josh Allen than, yeah, maybe, lol. Otherwise of course not

I've been a supporter of JA for years now. Wake up! I just don't see how a FO can get credit for scouting a draft pick correctly then letting him go (to star somewhere else) before his second contract. "2/3 snaps" is a fraction: it means "two thirds". As you confirmed, he played 66% of ST snaps, or "2/3" or "two thirds". That escalated quickly! The best?

Re the Championship game: "USFL's 1.52 million ranked 46th out of 63 primetime programs last week and sixth out of 11 on Fox. The network's MLB coverage saw 1.89 million viewers, for comparison. There aren't great comparisons for the USFL with the revived XFL in 2020 and AAF in 2019, as neither league made it to its championship game. Thirteen of 20 XFL games did reportedly average more viewers than the USFL championship, though, including 10 of 12 games on broadcast television." yikes

I didn't even hint that Edmunds is a bust. Johnson is a decent slot yes (not top 5 per the same crew that listed Poyer #1 safety). He gets a lot of passes thrown his way. Rating 80 vs him. Other better slots also came in 3rd or 4th round and from small school background. Good pick. Neal is a ST player as I said. Plays 2/3 snaps. The guys Beane got rid of/let go don't count--why would they? None of them offered a second contract. Teller can't be both a great addition and a poor choice as a subtraction. Not for the Bills anyway. McCloud is a JAG. If the Bills drafted the "other Josh", no one would be looking back and saying "yeah but they got Edmunds, T Johnson, Neal and a bunch of guys for other teams' rosters."

nite nite

Only 4 of them on the roster. One of them has a million threads debating whether he's worth the money to keep on the roster.. Another is a decent CB3 filling in and another is a ST guy. The other is Josh.